hondo in seattle Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) The two things that define a team are the coaching (HC responsibility) and the roster (GM responsibility). The Bills have been roughly a .500 team. If the HC and GM were both bad, we'd be a below .500 team. If the both the roster and coaching is bad, you don't win half your games. When good and bad are in equal balance, you hit .500. Bad coaching + good roster = .500. If we all agree that the HC was poor last year, then we kind of have to conclude the roster was good. And that's to Whaley's credit. However bad you thought Rex was, that's how good Whaley was. The accountability balances. While I still regret letting Hogan go, every GM makes mistakes. The decision on one guy doesn't define a GM. Overall, Whaley gave Rex a decent roster and he did little with it. Now McDermott is getting a decent roster, we'll see if he does better. If he doesn't, we might start to wonder if we've been blaming the wrong guy. In any case, with Whaley in charge of both the roster and the coach, it's now all on him. Edited January 28, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Considering Hogans receptions and TDs mirrored his last season in Buffalo, not sure what the big deal is here. Hogan is a talented receiver. But he isn't a game changer. If he was then his stats would have jumped dramatically having Tom Brady throwing to him vs TT. They didn't. 8 of the 14 games Hogan started this season he had 27 or less yards in receiving. Six of those games he had one or no receptions. He only had two games of over 100 receiving yards, with a 63 yard reception in one game and a 79 yard reception in the other. Not sure that's worth $4 mil per season. Brady is a master at finding the open receiver. Last week that was Hogan. Some will make more of it, especially BN writers who have an axe to grind with Whaley. Hogan wouldn't have changed this seasons results. Nor would a couple good playoff games justify spending $4 million on him. Im happy Hogan is tasting success since he's a good guy. I'm not regretting letting him go. Edited January 27, 2017 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 That was Hogan's biggest game as a Patriot because that's how the Pats gameplan. Take their least used player and make them the focus. That's why Hogan was so wide open. The Steelers never imagined he'd be the guy, because he never was before. It would be like making Walt Powell the guy in a Bills game. Yup. Plus the steelers secondary is awful and really hasn't recovered from Polamalu retiring. Most of Hogans stuff was blown coverage. I still think Tomlin is overrated as a game coach. In other news, Jerry's articles continue to generate outrage and discussion, so the hack wins again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Congrats to Chris Hogan. The kid worked his ass off and put himself in a position to have a career game on the second biggest stage. This constant bemoaning of how his success makes the Bills look bad is just a continuation of the sad, pitiful insecurity displayed by Bills fans. It's childish and their patron saint Sully is always there to feed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Yup. Plus the steelers secondary is awful and really hasn't recovered from Polamalu retiring. Most of Hogans stuff was blown coverage. I still think Tomlin is overrated as a game coach. In other news, Jerry's articles continue to generate outrage and discussion, so the hack wins again. Outrage and discussion don't mean **** if you never click his links or purchase copies of his newspaper. I highly recommend both. Edited January 27, 2017 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Maybe next time use your eyes. And this is why you're the worst. You come in and try to be snarky and dance around a point just for the sake of antagonizing someone, and then double down on it, forcing them to take your emptiness apart thusly: It's really simple. Bills had crappy WR's for most of the year. A healthy Sammy and serviceable Woods is all the pass game really needed so long as Clay was involved and Shady was catching passes, given our high volume of run plays. This really can't be disputed, thus making Hogan a luxury to have. Otherwise, it's hindsight, after all the injuries, so bravo. There was clamoring galore that the Bills in the 2016 offseason needed to target a "true no. 2" This insistence was repeatedly met with two things: a request to define what a "true no. 2" receiver is and what its relevance would be to an offense that runs the ball more than any other team in the league and already has a "true no. 1" a pass catching te and a pass catching rb. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. They let a WR go for $700k and no compensation This is entirely false and misleading. He was a restricted free agent, they would have had to match the 3 year $12M the pats* offered. https://goo.gl/Re5EVJ Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. Said WR puts up numbers that would've led the team, both in yards and TD's...with Tom Brady throwing him the ball in an offense that didn't skew nearly heavily toward the run game as the Bills' Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. Said WR puts up a record-shattering playoff game performance in the second biggest stage in the NFL and almost singlehandedly wins them the game (as singlehandedly as any WR can win one, obviously the QB needs to throw it) Still no explanation as to how a single game performance in a divisional playoff game with Tom Brady at quarterback is in any way relevant to how his production in Buffalo would have panned out during the regular season. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. And he does this all with a division rival that has buried us for almost 20 years. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. If you think anyone is going to "shut up" about that, you're delusional. No, I think everyone should STFU about it because they need to resort to convoluted nonsense to make the point (see above). Pretty clear where the delusion is in an argument that grafts stats accumulated in a home playoff game with Tom Brady throwing the ball onto the 2016 Bills offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 And this is why you're the worst. You come in and try to be snarky and dance around a point just for the sake of antagonizing someone, and then double down on it, forcing them to take your emptiness apart thusly: I hate the way you formatted your post. Very tough to respond to. A healthy Sammy and serviceable Woods is all the pass game really needed so long as Clay was involved and Shady was catching passes, given our high volume of run plays. This really can't be disputed, thus making Hogan a luxury to have. Otherwise, it's hindsight, after all the injuries, so bravo. There was clamoring galore that the Bills in the 2016 offseason needed to target a "true no. 2" This insistence was repeatedly met with two things: a request to define what a "true no. 2" receiver is and what its relevance would be to an offense that runs the ball more than any other team in the league and already has a "true no. 1" a pass catching te and a pass catching rb. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. Sammy wasn't healthy, dunce. Clay barely got involved the year before, but of course we banked on that. They let a WR go for $700k and no compensation This is entirely false and misleading. He was a restricted free agent, they would have had to match the 3 year $12M the pats* offered. https://goo.gl/Re5EVJ Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. If the Pats had tried to sign him away with a higher tender (which would've cost $700k more for the Bills), we would've gotten a second round pick if we didn't match their contract. Dunce. Said WR puts up numbers that would've led the team, both in yards and TD's...with Tom Brady throwing him the ball in an offense that didn't skew nearly heavily toward the run game as the Bills' Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. He still outperformed every single WR on our team. Dunce. Said WR puts up a record-shattering playoff game performance in the second biggest stage in the NFL and almost singlehandedly wins them the game (as singlehandedly as any WR can win one, obviously the QB needs to throw it) Still no explanation as to how a single game performance in a divisional playoff game with Tom Brady at quarterback is in any way relevant to how his production in Buffalo would have panned out during the regular season. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. What explanation is necessary? He had a big game for a division rival. It doesn't have to speak to anything he'd do in Buffalo to sting. Dunce. And he does this all with a division rival that has buried us for almost 20 years. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. See above. Dunce. If you think anyone is going to "shut up" about that, you're delusional. No, I think everyone should STFU about it because they need to resort to convoluted nonsense to make the point (see above). Pretty clear where the delusion is in an argument that grafts stats accumulated in a home playoff game with Tom Brady throwing the ball onto the 2016 Bills offense. Whether or not Hogan would've had as good of a year on the Bills has no bearing on the fact that it sucks that he's playing well for a division rival, a team that most Bills fans hate with a burning passion, which makes it a story and something to talk about, whether you like it or not. Dunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gale Gilbert Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) I dunno, I'm inclined to give the guy a break. Covering the Bills for the last 17 years has to be like covering the "Red Wedding" episode of Game of Thrones over and over and over. They guy has to find new stuff to write about but never has any new plot threads to unwind. It's a reach to say that the Bills should regret Hogan's departure base on one playoff performance, sure, but what more is there to say that hasn't been said at some point since 2000? Edited January 27, 2017 by Gale Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I hate the way you formatted your post. Very tough to respond to. A healthy Sammy and serviceable Woods is all the pass game really needed so long as Clay was involved and Shady was catching passes, given our high volume of run plays. This really can't be disputed, thus making Hogan a luxury to have. Otherwise, it's hindsight, after all the injuries, so bravo. There was clamoring galore that the Bills in the 2016 offseason needed to target a "true no. 2" This insistence was repeatedly met with two things: a request to define what a "true no. 2" receiver is and what its relevance would be to an offense that runs the ball more than any other team in the league and already has a "true no. 1" a pass catching te and a pass catching rb. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. Sammy wasn't healthy, dunce. Clay barely got involved the year before, but of course we banked on that. They let a WR go for $700k and no compensation This is entirely false and misleading. He was a restricted free agent, they would have had to match the 3 year $12M the pats* offered. https://goo.gl/Re5EVJ Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. If the Pats had tried to sign him away with a higher tender (which would've cost $700k more for the Bills), we would've gotten a second round pick if we didn't match their contract. Dunce. Said WR puts up numbers that would've led the team, both in yards and TD's...with Tom Brady throwing him the ball in an offense that didn't skew nearly heavily toward the run game as the Bills' Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. He still outperformed every single WR on our team. Dunce. Said WR puts up a record-shattering playoff game performance in the second biggest stage in the NFL and almost singlehandedly wins them the game (as singlehandedly as any WR can win one, obviously the QB needs to throw it) Still no explanation as to how a single game performance in a divisional playoff game with Tom Brady at quarterback is in any way relevant to how his production in Buffalo would have panned out during the regular season. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. What explanation is necessary? He had a big game for a division rival. It doesn't have to speak to anything he'd do in Buffalo to sting. Dunce. And he does this all with a division rival that has buried us for almost 20 years. Your point here is a zero, just more antagonism for antagonism's sake, because that's all you're good for. See above. Dunce. If you think anyone is going to "shut up" about that, you're delusional. No, I think everyone should STFU about it because they need to resort to convoluted nonsense to make the point (see above). Pretty clear where the delusion is in an argument that grafts stats accumulated in a home playoff game with Tom Brady throwing the ball onto the 2016 Bills offense. Whether or not Hogan would've had as good of a year on the Bills has no bearing on the fact that it sucks that he's playing well for a division rival, a team that most Bills fans hate with a burning passion, which makes it a story and something to talk about, whether you like it or not. Dunce. Nice life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 That was Hogan's biggest game as a Patriot because that's how the Pats gameplan. Take their least used player and make them the focus. That's why Hogan was so wide open. The Steelers never imagined he'd be the guy, because he never was before. It would be like making Walt Powell the guy in a Bills game. good take- first time you made me laugh too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Nice life. Maybe lighten up a bit, huh bud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) I dunno, I'm inclined to give the guy a break. Covering the Bills for the last 17 years has to be like covering the "Red Wedding" episode of Game of Thrones over and over and over. They guy has to find new stuff to write about but never has any new plot threads to unwind. It's a reach to say that the Bills should regret Hogan's departure base on one playoff performance, sure, but what more is there to say that hasn't been said at some point since 2000? good perspective. Ok I'll pity the guy. Or not! I recall a WGR talk show recently where the hosts said it's easier as a sports journalist to cover bad teams bec. there's more to talk about than good teams. So Jerry, get CREATIVE! Hogan's best year in BUF: 41 catches 426 yards 4 TD's Hogan's breakout season in NE: 38 catches 680 yards 4 TD's Can we please STFU about Chris !@#$ing Hogan, the guy who was cut by four !@#$ing teams before we decided that the statline above qualified him for a scholarship at Hogwarts? LOLOL this was hilaroius! IMHO there's no question that the Bills would have had a better roster at WR if they'd have kept Hogan. OTOH, if the Bills had given Hogan a higher tender or if they'd matched the Pats $5M offer, we just know there would have been a column about the Bills overspending for a mediocre WR who drops critical balls. EXACTLY! THAT!!! Edited January 27, 2017 by CanadianFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 That was Hogan's biggest game as a Patriot because that's how the Pats gameplan. Take their least used player and make them the focus. That's why Hogan was so wide open. The Steelers never imagined he'd be the guy, because he never was before. It would be like making Walt Powell the guy in a Bills game. I think Walt was the guy for the Bills in a couple games this injury-plagued WR year. But seriously, Walt Powell just frickin' sucks at football and Hogan is pretty solid and has size and was a very nice downfield playmaker here. He's a good #3 WR and should have been easily replaceable but they just WHIFFED completely a pile of dumpster divas that they hoped would fill those WR positions last offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Funny he had better numbers in Buffalo...Yeah, he really turned into a number one WR in New England, lol...I mean Brady makes anyone look twice as good as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Funny he had better numbers in Buffalo...Yeah, he really turned into a number one WR in New England, lol...I mean Brady makes anyone look twice as good as they are This. I'm not a Sully hater, but this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Brady could throw me open....you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 He is a good receiver, made even better by a great QB and system. Great clubs develop and retain value talent. Bad clubs squander it and follow shiny objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'll take steroids for $300, Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 That was Hogan's biggest game as a Patriot because that's how the Pats gameplan. Take their least used player and make them the focus. That's why Hogan was so wide open. The Steelers never imagined he'd be the guy, because he never was before. It would be like making Walt Powell the guy in a Bills game. Wait a minute! You may be on to something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Stop reading them. If no one clicked, he's be fired. But the haters read his crap more than the people that think he's ok. I haven't read one of his articles in a couple years now. #stopclicking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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