WRs - Overall Grade F: requires a complete rebuild for 2017

[Thurman#1]

How could Whaley have gotten this unit SO badly wrong?

 

"Final Overall Grade F: This unit is void of talent and requires a complete rebuild for 2017"

 

http://www.billsdaily.com/gameday/index.shtml

 

Dump everybody except Sammy, rookie contract, and start all over.

 

And the problem I have is that most knew before the season started, this unit was a mess...

 

 

 

While this was a very weak unit particularly in terms of depth, I find this guy undergraded nearly all of them.

 

Sammy and Woods were decent. When healthy anyway. Clay was open a ton but Tyrod didn't get it to nearly anyone across the deep and intermediate middle and that's where most of Clay's routes were. On the All-22, I was very surprised at how impressed I was with Clay. If they get someone in here who can hit him, he's going to be a very serious weapon.

 

And also on the All-22, I was surprisingly impressed by Walt Powell. When he made cuts he was sudden enough to get separation an awful lot. I wouldn't give him lower than a C and he didn't get graded at all here. Wouldn't be surprised to see him on the roster next year if he's healthy, though I wouldn't want him in the top three or four WRs.

 

Poor depth. But on the All-22 (I watched four games), they weren't nearly as bad as I anticipated they would be. There were very very few plays when Tyrod had noplace to go.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Thurman#1

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Disagree. Tate is a really good KR/PR we need to keep him on if only for that reason alone. Great WR to run the reverse too. I dont mind them cleaning house but I think we should hold on to Tate and Hunter. Woods is gone, hes going somewhere that passes more and I dont blame him wish em the best of luck.

 

Agree with Whaley dropping the ball. He really slacked on that one and the team paid for it.

 

 

 

Oldy Moldy you do know all QBs miss open receivers every game right? Do you watch other games besides the Bills?

 

 

 

I agree on Tate. I like him a lot as a returner and he does a nice job as WR depth.

[Thurman#1]

Cmon old man dont need to be a doosh to get ur point across. I said as much in my post. Even if Tyrod did pull the trigger you know damn well Goodwin isnt going up there to make a Mike Evans catch or fight for the ball. Besides Sammy only Hunter can make those catches on our roster as of now.

 

 

 

Woods:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uOHTmCZYb0

 

00:18 on this one:

 

 

Powell:

 

1:30, nice one-hander

 

 

 

Can't be bothered to look for more, but those are three pretty nice ones.

[Tsaikotic]

draft Corey Davis @ #10 and pick up Kenny Britt from Rams....keep Hunter and Tate and then see what Listenbee can do....if you don't like Hunter then maybe Powell or someone else I guess..lol....maybe bring in another te and roll with 4?

 

wr1 - Watkins

wr2 - Davis

wr3 - Britt

wr4 - Hunter

wr5 - Tate

wr6 - Listenbee

te1 - Clay

te2 - O'Leary

te3 - Thomas

Edited January 22, 2017 by Tsaikotic

[Marty McFly]

 

 

 

Woods:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uOHTmCZYb0

 

00:18 on this one:

 

 

Powell:

1:30, nice one-hander

 

 

 

Can't be bothered to look for more, but those are three pretty nice ones.

I didnt count Woods cuz hes FA. Holy **** I 4got about that Powell PS one!

[simpleman]

I agree on the WR. Keep Watkins, Clay and McCoy. Hunter at the right price. Listenbee has not really had his shot yet, his speed replaces Goodwin. Give him his shot to prove his worth (or not) early. Tate stays primarily for special teams, not for great skills at WR, but is depth. While a Williams or a Davis would be ideal, I would prefer to trade back if possible and grab one of the remaining of the top 5 Qbs. Pick up a RT in FA to fill the hole at RT using the money we would spend to resign Woods. No excuses then about the Oline by the WRs or Qbs.

Neither Williams or Davis will be there if we trade back, we need those extra early picks with so many holes. We also need a Safety in the 2nd. If we get extra picks in 2^nd or 3^rd I'd like 1 or more WRs:

 

The below all are very willing blockers, will mix it up over the middle, are fighters to gain yards after the catch. Have height and run decent routes. Not speed demons, but we have Listenbee to try at speed and we have Watkins for that.

 

Cooper Kupp If late 2^nd or later

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006951/cooper-kupp

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=123920&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2017WR.php

 

https://nflmocks.com/2016/07/31/cooper-kupp-wr-e-washington-2017-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

 

http://withthefirstpick.com/2016/11/19/2017-nfl-draft-eastern-washington-cooper-kupp-scouting-report/

 

Malachi Dupre: 3^rd or later

 

http://withthefirstpick.com/2016/08/05/2017-nfl-draft-lsu-malachi-dupre-scouting-report/

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-top-nfl-prospects-every-position-2017/

 

http://nflmocks.com/2016/08/03/malachi-dupre-wr-lsu-2016-nfl-draft-preview/

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/malachi-dupre/

 

http://draftblaster.com/2017-NFL-Draft/schools/lsu/malachi-dupre-wr/

 

http://www.thasportsjunkies101.com/malachi-dupre-scouting-report/

 

Karel Hamilton – late round,ufa

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1004703&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR

Edited January 22, 2017 by simpleman

[simpleman]

draft Corey Davis @ #10 and pick up Kenny Britt from Rams....keep Hunter and Tate and then see what Listenbee can do....if you don't like Hunter then maybe Powell or someone else I guess..lol....maybe bring in another te and roll with 4?

 

wr1 - Watkins

wr2 - Davis

wr3 - Britt

wr4 - Hunter

wr5 - Tate

wr6 - Listenbee

te1 - Clay

te2 - O'Leary

te3 - Thomas

Britt would be nice, but if we keep TT and his monster cap, or bring in a high cap vet to replace him, I can't see us affording the cap space he would require.

[The Big Cat]

Disagree. Tate is a really good KR/PR we need to keep him on if only for that reason alone. Great WR to run the reverse too. I dont mind them cleaning house but I think we should hold on to Tate and Hunter. Woods is gone, hes going somewhere that passes more and I dont blame him wish em the best of luck.

 

Agree with Whaley dropping the ball. He really slacked on that one and the team paid for it.

 

 

Oldy Moldy you do know all QBs miss open receivers every game right? Do you watch other games besides the Bills?

 

 

 

 

 

I know you didn't justify something Taylor does by showing Alex Smith does it too...

[hondo in seattle]

You can't build a team that's strong everywhere. Whaley built us a running team - the NFL's best running team. When TT was under center and Lynn was OC, this squad scored an impressive 27 points per game. That's more points/game than most of the Kelly/Thurman/Andre years. While there were some things he could have done better, you can't say Whaley failed on offense.

 

But here's where some things did go wrong. Our starters were fine: Woods and Watkins on the outside and Clay at TE. That's a good group of pass catchers for a running team. And then Whaley filled up the rest of the receiving roster with journeymen who had some production in the past.

 

When Woods and Sammy got hurt, Tyrod's flaws were highlighted. Taylor doesn't like to take chances with the ball. Maybe he doesn't trust his own accuracy. He likes to see the receiver get separation before he throws. Our backups weren't the types to get a lot of separation. And Tyrod didn't trust them enough to throw them open. So TT became more indecisive, held on to the ball too long, and all that. Not having our best guys out there and healthy really brought out the worst in Tyrod, given his proclivities.

 

And we still scored 27 points per game with the Lynn/TT combo.

Edited January 22, 2017 by hondo in seattle

[billykaykay]

Disagree. Tate is a really good KR/PR we need to keep him on if only for that reason alone. Great WR to run the reverse too. I dont mind them cleaning house but I think we should hold on to Tate and Hunter. Woods is gone, hes going somewhere that passes more and I dont blame him wish em the best of luck.

 

Agree with Whaley dropping the ball. He really slacked on that one and the team paid for it.

 

 

Oldy Moldy you do know all QBs miss open receivers every game right? Do you watch other games besides the Bills?

 

 

 

When 80% of your players at one position become injured at the same time, what would you have preferred that Whaley do ?

[Jerry Jabber]

 

It's hard to disagree with this. Even before the injuries, it was Sammy and Woods really, and that's it. The rest of the WR were a bunch of nobodies that never accomplished anything at the NFL level.

Unfortunately, this has been the case for many years with the Bills. Most of the years during the playoff drought, the Bills have had only one good WR while the rest were scrubs.

You can't build a team that's strong everywhere. Whaley built us a running team - the NFL's best running team. When TT was under center and Lynn was OC, this squad scored an impressive 27 points per game. That's more points/game than most of the Kelly/Thurman/Andre years. While there were some things he could have done better, you can't say Whaley failed on offense.

 

But here's where some things did go wrong. Our starters were fine: Woods and Watkins on the outside and Clay at TE. That's a good group of pass catchers for a running team. And then Whaley filled up the rest of the receiving roster with journeymen who had some production in the past.

 

When Woods and Sammy got hurt, Tyrod's flaws were highlighted. Taylor doesn't like to take chances with the ball. Maybe he doesn't trust his own accuracy. He likes to see the receiver get separation before he throws. Our backups weren't the types to get a lot of separation. And Tyrod didn't trust them enough to throw them open. So TT became more indecisive, held on to the ball too long, and all that. Not having our best guys out there and healthy really brought out the worst in Tyrod, given his proclivities.

 

And we still scored 27 points per game with the Lynn/TT combo.

Many Bills fans on here knew that the Bills needed another WR, but instead of drafting one in the early rounds, the Bills drafted defense for the first three rounds.

[CanadianFan]

Biggest problem with the WRs: a QB who can get the ball to them. 2nd biggest problem: lack of Top Flight TRAINERS who work on PREVENTING injuries instead of TREATING them when it happens.

Edited January 22, 2017 by CanadianFan

[Jerry Jabber]

Biggest problem with the WRs: a QB who can get the ball to them.

+1

[bigK14094]

Whaley didn't want Hogan back...not worth even a contract offer. So, NE gives Hogan $3Mil a year for three years....as a #2 wr (Edelman #1) and Hogan catches 600 yards and 5 td's this year. Hogan is a legit #2, but wasn't good enough for the Bills. Makes me wonder about the talent judges in the front office.

[Kirby Jackson]

Whaley didn't want Hogan back...not worth even a contract offer. So, NE gives Hogan $3Mil a year for three years....as a #2 wr (Edelman #1) and Hogan catches 600 yards and 5 td's this year. Hogan is a legit #2, but wasn't good enough for the Bills. Makes me wonder about the talent judges in the front office.

He's not a #2 let alone a legit #2. He's a good rotational guy. The Bills should have signed him for that but that doesn't mean he's better than he is. He's a piece like Amendola, Floyd, Malcolm Mitchell on a team that has 2 Pro Bowl caliber TEs. He's, at best, their 4th option when they are healthy.

[Wideright24]

Draft a WR in the first or second, try and re-sign Bob Woods if the money makes sense. If no Woods, sign Anquan Boldin. Bring Justin Hunter back cheap. Draft Jake Butt in the third.

 

Watkins

Mike Williams/Cory Davis/JuJu

Woods/Boldin

Hunter

Clay

Butt

[Big Gun]

Biggest problem with the WRs: a QB who can get the ball to them.

+1000

[Marty McFly]

When 80% of your players at one position become injured at the same time, what would you have preferred that Whaley do ?

 

Drafted a WR who wasnt already injured with a double sports hernia for the whole season.

 

Added a #1a or #2 WR in the off-season knowing Sammy has an injury that will most likely limit him all season.

 

I know you didn't justify something Taylor does by showing Alex Smith does it too...

 

Not justifying anything Cat. MFer acts like Tyrod is the only QB with limitations.

[offyourocker]

How could Whaley have gotten this unit SO badly wrong?

 

"Final Overall Grade F: This unit is void of talent and requires a complete rebuild for 2017"

 

http://www.billsdaily.com/gameday/index.shtml

 

Dump everybody except Sammy, rookie contract, and start all over.

 

And the problem I have is that most knew before the season started, this unit was a mess...

q

 

 

No worries. By July, there will be numerous threads arguing how we are so deep at WR that we should trade one. Happens every year

[Hapless Bills Fan]

How do you grade our receiving corps with an F? I don't know what to make of threads like this, but they drive me a bit crazy. I get the feeling that some posters are more interested in sticking to an opinion rather than letting data determine their perspective.

 

I like Tyrod. I think we need to keep him unless we find a demonstrably better QB, but he is no pocket passer. How can you analyze the efficacy of our receiving corps when you have a QB who doesn't really seem to scan the field and go through progressions?

 

Take a look at Dez Bryant's stats. When Romo was the full time starter, his numbers were stellar. Over the past two years, his numbers have gone way down. Did he suddenly become a bad receiver? Or did the changes at QB affect his numbers?

 

From 2011 to 2014 Dez averaged 84 catches for 1213 yards. Per game thats 5.33 catches and 77 yards per game Over the past 2 years with Romo mostly out, Dez averaged 3.7 catches and 54 yards per game.

 

I'm not saying we have a stellar receiving corps. But I am asking: How can you all be so sure they are terrible?

 

Robert Woods got 10 catches for 162 yards against Seattle's Legion of Boom...with Watkins out of the game. I just want people to keep things in perspective. Just because something is Bills related, doesn't make it terrible. We have talent on this team. I guarantee that our receivers would get better if our QB started throwing the damn ball. Tyrod needs to start letting his guys go after it.

 

Good post.

 

QB matters.

 

Offensive scheme matters.

 

It's not to say our receiving corps is great, but the "F" and the "complete rebuild" seem to say more about the football judgement of the author than about the receivers. Watkins and Woods undoubtedly have talent. Hunter did well enough coming in.