OhDozeBills Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Well when your most talented defensive player doesn't buy into the scheme, that's never a good thing. I do question Marcel's heart and dedication this year and not buying into the scheme could be part of this. Not that it makes it right, but it's troubling nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Everyone's except Dareus's, obviously. Obviously... I think Dareus is pretty much the poster child for why this organization fails... A very good player who could be a generational-type talent if he got his head on straight, got into great shape, and stopped being a lazy minded kid... So we decide to give him 100 million knowing all that, and he returns the favor by getting suspended, coming in out of shape, and missing half of his remaining games due to muscle pulls...Then he disappears for HUGE stretches...Finally his excuse is the Defense was too confusing... I wanted Rex canned, and I'm not saying Dareus is wrong about the Defense...But why should I consider anything he has to say?...The buffet line is far more important to him that being the player he could be...So...Why should I care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 What Dareus said is exactly what we all know from watching. They're were doing way too much. Guys running the field late, guys checking all the time and missing checks, guys with backs to the ball not knowing what they are doing. It was too complicated. It sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Obviously... I think Dareus is pretty much the poster child for why this organization fails... A very good player who could be a generational-type talent if he got his head on straight, got into great shape, and stopped being a lazy minded kid... So we decide to give him 100 million knowing all that, and he returns the favor by getting suspended, coming in out of shape, and missing half of his remaining games due to muscle pulls...Then he disappears for HUGE stretches...Finally his excuse is the Defense was too confusing... I wanted Rex canned, and I'm not saying Dareus is wrong about the Defense...But why should I consider anything he has to say?...The buffet line is far more important to him that being the player he could be...So...Why should I care? Don't shoot the messenger. Dareus is a guy who excelled in defenses run by good 4-3 DCs like Saban (effectively the DC in Alabama) and Schwartz. His point about playing slow because of the massive turnover on the team over the course of the season is absolutely correct. The defense took a big turn for the worse both seasons after Aaron Williams went down. A scheme that relies on one safety always being the one guy who gets it is a problematic scheme. Unfortunately for the Bills, Jim Leonhard was a once-in-a-decade player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 @mikerodak Bills DT Marcell Dareus cites injuries as reason why Rex Ryan's defense underperformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Why do I chuckle every time I see the words "Marcel Dareus" and "thoughts" in the same sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 @RyanTalbotBills Bart Scott calls out Bills' Marcell Dareus: 'We can't put the play book in crayon' http://s.newyorkupstate.com/UUfIcBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 @RyanTalbotBills Bart Scott calls out Bills' Marcell Dareus: 'We can't put the play book in crayon' http://s.newyorkupstate.com/UUfIcBF Hahahahaha! Bart Scott is great! Wish we had a guy like that hear with Rex it would have made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Ross Tucker weighs in Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL 2h2 hours ago Ross Tucker Retweeted ProFootballTalk Breaking: Guy who lacks attention to detail didn't like playing in a defense that requires attention to detail. Ross Tucker added, ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk Marcell Dareus: Too much detail in Rex Ryan's defense http://bit.ly/2ieVjmZ 21 replies 49 retweets 185 likes This is funny and to the point. @RyanTalbotBills Bart Scott calls out Bills' Marcell Dareus: 'We can't put the play book in crayon' http://s.newyorkupstate.com/UUfIcBF Thanks to both Bart Scott and Ross Tucker for being the voices of reason and not letting players get away with some of the BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Dareus' issues are, IMO, mutually exclusive from the issues with Rex's defense. There's no way that the loss of one guy that communicates adjustments should cause such a precipitous decline in performance. I despise the idea that every little shift on offense requires multiple checks and changes in approach on defense that all need to be communicated in seconds pre-snap. All teams have checks and adjustments, but when the quantity and complexity of those checks get in the way of guys being able to simply execute their responsibilities, it becomes detrimental, as we've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 This is funny and to the point. Thanks to both Bart Scott and Ross Tucker for being the voices of reason and not letting players get away with some of the BS. How is it BS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 This is funny and to the point. Thanks to both Bart Scott and Ross Tucker for being the voices of reason and not letting players get away with some of the BS. As a Rex guy through and through, was there any doubt about whose back Bart Scott would have? Nope.... None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I wonder if he got upset after being asked about Rex's tenure and Lynn being named interim coach three times, each. LMAO... I kept thinking I messed up the mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 How is it BS? I guess BS is in the eye of the beholder. As a Rex guy through and through, was there any doubt about whose back Bart Scott would have? Nope.... None at all. . . . and how do you dismiss Ross Tucker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 As a Rex guy through and through, was there any doubt about whose back Bart Scott would have? Nope.... None at all. Here's where I stand... A coach should shape the system around the players, not the other way around. The reason why Belichick is the best is because he coaches the 11 guys that are on the field. You won't see him asking guys to play outside of their wheelhouse. Coaching is about putting guys in the best position to have success. One of the reasons that Lynn has the cursory look of HC material is that he's been able to produce points consistently without a franchise QB and without the services of his only real receiving threat. He's done that by asking Taylor, the OL, the RBs, and guys like Hunter and Goodwin to simply do what they're good at. I won't claim to know if that means he'll be a good HC, but I do know that it's the diametric opposite of what Rex did with the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here's where I stand... A coach should shape the system around the players, not the other way around. The reason why Belichick is the best is because he coaches the 11 guys that are on the field. You won't see him asking guys to play outside of their wheelhouse. Coaching is about putting guys in the best position to have success. One of the reasons that Lynn has the cursory look of HC material is that he's been able to produce points consistently without a franchise QB and without the services of his only real receiving threat. He's done that by asking Taylor, the OL, the RBs, and guys like Hunter and Goodwin to simply do what they're good at. I won't claim to know if that means he'll be a good HC, but I do know that it's the diametric opposite of what Rex did with the D. The best coaches are flexible in their approaches based upon personnel. I look at guys like Shula and Gibbs as examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The best coaches are flexible in their approaches based upon personnel. I look at guys like Shula and Gibbs as examples. Those guys are very rare in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) The best coaches are flexible in their approaches based upon personnel. I look at guys like Shula and Gibbs as examples. Shula was a great coach. He went from an offense that threw the ball a relatively few number of times to one that completely changed when they drafted Dan Marino. Of course, having a guy like Dan Marino drop in your lap makes it a lot easier. P.S. I used to work with Don's daughter and we became good friends. Long story short, Don is a great and classy guy and also responsible for me and my sister having amazing seats to Super Bowl 25. Edited December 30, 2016 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here's where I stand... A coach should shape the system around the players, not the other way around. The reason why Belichick is the best is because he coaches the 11 guys that are on the field. You won't see him asking guys to play outside of their wheelhouse. Coaching is about putting guys in the best position to have success. One of the reasons that Lynn has the cursory look of HC material is that he's been able to produce points consistently without a franchise QB and without the services of his only real receiving threat. He's done that by asking Taylor, the OL, the RBs, and guys like Hunter and Goodwin to simply do what they're good at. I won't claim to know if that means he'll be a good HC, but I do know that it's the diametric opposite of what Rex did with the D. Belichick wasn't able to get anything out of Haynesworth. Dareus is way heavier than he was when he was drafted, he has been suspended twice for weed so that means he has tested positive how many times? Seth Joyner was brought in to work with this defense and left because they were just hanging out in the locker room. Rex didn't conform to the players wishes, I get that. What should he have done for Dareus? Let him pick the plays? Would that make him be more responsible off the field? Would that make him happier so he eats less? Is Rex responsible for Marcell getting heavier? At some point self accountability needs to kick in, these guys got run over multiple times by Jay freaking Ajayi. Finger pointing is not a good look. Rex deserved to go but these guys should shut up and play better under their new coach and prove that they actually care about winning. I fully expect a Herculean effort from all our malcontents this Sunday vs. a Jets team that gave up months ago. That will be their I told you so moment that they can stick it in everyone else's face... until of course adversity shows up sometime next season and they once again fold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Rex's job isn't to be the smartest guy on the field with the best scheme. It's to win. He didn't do his job - not enough of the time. Rex is supposed to be a defensive guru yet his defense under-performed. His fault. Maybe Marcel's criticisms are off target but Rex still failed to deliver. Nonetheless, I think Bart Scott's defense of Rex was pointed and funny. It's gotta warm Rex's heart to have former players like Revis and Scott come to his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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