LA Grant Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I'm not necessarily convinced the team should move on from Rex & Tyrod, BUT if they do... I'm remembering that after Marrone & Orton left, my original hopes were for Darren Bevell and Matt Moore. Considering how Moore has looked starting in place of Tanny the last two games — how would you feel about pursuing him in the offseason? He's under contract so you'd need to trade for him but assuming he could be had for a 3rd round pick, I think he would be a good investment. He's 32 but that isn't as old as it used to be, especially for QBs, and especially for someone who's been a career back-up. If he works out, I think you have 5 good years with him while you find the next franchise guy. Not to mention 5 good years would be more than the Bills have had from the QB position since 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 no way, rather have tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Not really sure what Moore did to win that game. He was barely pressured and they ran the ball at will. A few of the big plays were short throws with the WR making the play helped by horrible defensive tackling. I wasn't at all impressed with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Is no difgerent than Tyrod needs other players to carry the game. Now would be cheaper than TT Not really sure what Moore did to win that game. He was barely pressured and they ran the ball at will. A few of the big plays were short throws with the WR making the play helped by horrible defensive tackling. I wasn't at all impressed with him So very similar to out current QB at 1/3rd the cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Matt Moore is a top back up IMO. Worst QBs start than Matt Moore in the NFL too. Edited December 26, 2016 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Is no difgerent than Tyrod needs other players to carry the game. Now would be cheaper than TT So very similar to out current QB at 1/3rd the cost So what is your solution? Rather than spewing out your dislike of Taylor on every single thread - give us an intelligent option. Draft? Free Agent? Trade? Right now (IMHO) Tyrod is our best short term option, unless C. Jones has an amazing camp next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 So what is your solution? Rather than spewing out your dislike of Taylor on every single thread - give us an intelligent option. Draft? Free Agent? Trade? Right now (IMHO) Tyrod is our best short term option, unless C. Jones has an amazing camp next year. I'm pretty sure we're watching a mental breakdown unfold. To be fair it's the Bills fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Renegotiate Tyrod. Fire everyone that negotiated the first one. Draft a QB every year. Guys like Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Orton are not the answer. You get someone like EJ and you see they suck then get someone the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 So what is your solution? Rather than spewing out your dislike of Taylor on every single thread - give us an intelligent option. Draft? Free Agent? Trade? Right now (IMHO) Tyrod is our best short term option, unless C. Jones has an amazing camp next year. I have many times. But this was about Matt Moore and how similar he is to our current QB So what is your solution? Rather than spewing out your dislike of Taylor on every single thread - give us an intelligent option. Draft? Free Agent? Trade? Right now (IMHO) Tyrod is our best short term option, unless C. Jones has an amazing camp next year. But draft me Mahomes in the 2nd and start him. I dont lose to many points (if he plays like Wentz) i lose a total of 14EPA over the course of the year. I know i improve passing and now have a more balanced Offense. I also have the QB on a Rookie deal not a 16M cap his so i can improve team as well. And i have a QB with growth room not one at ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Renegotiate Tyrod. Fire everyone that negotiated the first one. Draft a QB every year. Guys like Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Orton are not the answer. You get someone like EJ and you see they suck then get someone the next year. Tyrod would be a fool to renegotiate. Despite the opinion of a certain core group here, Taylor would be the most in-demand free agent a would would easily get a deal north of $20MM/yr. Easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Tyrod would be a fool to renegotiate. Despite the opinion of a certain core group here, Taylor would be the most in-demand free agent a would would easily get a deal north of $20MM/yr. Easily! Ha ha ha sure he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Tyrod would be a fool to renegotiate. Despite the opinion of a certain core group here, Taylor would be the most in-demand free agent a would would easily get a deal north of $20MM/yr. Easily! He would not end up north of $20m easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Is no difgerent than Tyrod needs other players to carry the game. Now would be cheaper than TT So very similar to out current QB at 1/3rd the cost Yawn.... You really expect all of us to believe that you truly don't understand what Taylor actually brings to the QB position that guys like Moore just don't have? Come on man, you're TT **** is tired. Moore and Taylor aren't even in the same stratosphere and you damn well know that. Taylor helps make our offense much more dynamic and difficult to defend due to his athleticism. He forces defenses to keep a hat on him every single snap. When they fail to do that, he usually burns them bad. Is he the traditional pocket passer that every team in the NFL strives for? Hell no. Is he a better option than Moore or anyone else available to us at the moment? A resounding yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I've been beating the Matt Moore drum for years, but it might be too late. He'd be an upgrade over Tyrod, but so will most QBs and if we're going to go old, I'd rather go with someone better than Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Yawn.... You really expect all of us to believe that you truly don't understand what Taylor actually brings to the QB position that guys like Moore just don't have? Come on man, you're TT **** is tired. Moore and Taylor aren't even in the same stratosphere and you damn well know that. Taylor helps make our offense much more dynamic and difficult to defend due to his athleticism. He forces defenses to keep a hat on him every single snap. When they fail to do that, he usually burns them bad. Is he the traditional pocket passer that every team in the NFL strives for? Hell no. Is he a better option than Moore or anyone else available to us at the moment? A resounding yes! Explain how TT is any different than Moore Here i will help you Legs (thats it). Guess what Moore is a better passer so its a wash. Now try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) I have many times. But this was about Matt Moore and how similar he is to our current QB But draft me Mahomes in the 2nd and start him. I dont lose to many points (if he plays like Wentz) i lose a total of 14EPA over the course of the year. I know i improve passing and now have a more balanced Offense. I also have the QB on a Rookie deal not a 16M cap his so i can improve team as well. And i have a QB with growth room not one at ceiling. Mahomes hasn't declared yet. No guarantee they can draft him if he does. Though he would be a good QB to take a chance on if they could get him. Edited December 26, 2016 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I've been beating the Matt Moore drum for years, but it might be too late. He'd be an upgrade over Tyrod, but so will most QBs and if we're going to go old, I'd rather go with someone better than Moore. How about giraffe boy Glennon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Tyrod would be a fool to renegotiate. Despite the opinion of a certain core group here, Taylor would be the most in-demand free agent a would would easily get a deal north of $20MM/yr. Easily! Are you saying 20 million/year? I don't know about that. He will get a deal similar to what the Bills would be opting out of most likely. Which is just average starter money. But he would get it from some team. Jets/Browns/49ers/Bears come immediately to mind. Could be others depending on organizational philosophies on existing QB's, such as the Texans and Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Explain how TT is any different than Moore Here i will help you Legs (thats it). Guess what Moore is a better passer so its a wash. Now try again I thought I just did explain why he was different. Are crayons and a puppet show needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Mahomet hasn't declared yet. No guarantee they can draft him if he does. Though he would be a good QB to take a chance on if they could get him. Ok another Watson Same as TT with upside I dont lose much See i can let TT walk and get similar play elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I've been beating the Matt Moore drum for years, but it might be too late. He'd be an upgrade over Tyrod, but so will most QBs and if we're going to go old, I'd rather go with someone better than Moore. I liked Moore a lot once upon a time. As a guy in the room with cardale and a rookie I'd be fine with him, and an extra $10m spent elsewhere But I wouldn't be trying to trade for him probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 How about giraffe boy Glennon? I would be fine with him. He's never had a chance to prove himself and there's no doubt he'd be an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I thought I just did explain why he was different. Are crayons and a puppet show needed? Cool his legs. Still leads the 31st ranked passing offense. Hmmm isnt a QB supposed to be able to pass? Find and hit open WRs? I can find any schlep to hand the ball to McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I would be fine with him. He's never had a chance to prove himself and there's no doubt he'd be an upgrade. Cool. Let's just make a move & go for it. What do we have to loose - another 17th year without making the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Cool. Let's just make a move & go for it. What do we have to loose - another 17th year without making the playoffs? Or we could just keep Taylor and know we'll suck on offense again. That's a better plan, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 they won't trade Moore to a team in their division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) I've been beating the Matt Moore drum for years, but it might be too late. He'd be an upgrade over Tyrod, but so will most QBs and if we're going to go old, I'd rather go with someone better than Moore.Would he be? You're confident we would be even higher than sixth in the league in scoring next season with Matt Moore at the helm? What are you thinking, maybe second? Third? I like it. Or we could just keep Taylor and know we'll suck on offense again. That's a better plan, for sure. Wow, sixth in the league in scoring sucks, huh? Edited December 26, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Why do these posts still happen. I like how our offense played last week. If we'd had Sammy and Woods all season would we be hammering incessantly on Tyrod. An offense needs to have weapons. Even Clay looked good when we had our guys back. I would humbly suggest that the negative energy be focused on players like Gilmore who should be playing elsewhere eating up some other team's salary cap, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Would he be? You're confident we would be even higher than fifth in the league in scoring next season with Matt Moore at the helm? What are you thinking, maybe second? Third? I like it. Wow, fifth in the league in scoring sucks, huh? 7-8 sucks. Unless those pretty stats happen when we need them most, they don't mean schit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Would he be? You're confident we would be even higher than sixth in the league in scoring next season with Matt Moore at the helm? What are you thinking, maybe second? Third? I like it. Wow, sixth in the league in scoring sucks, huh? Bet he is just as confident Moore will be 6th in scoring or higher on offense as you are that Taylor will be as well when Shady is another year older. What is known though as a passer Moore is a better passer and that can offset any loss in Shadys legs if they happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 7-8 sucks. Unless those pretty stats happen when we need them most, they don't mean schit. Ok got it. See I would argue that in a season when you lose games scoring 25, 25, 25, 31, 24, 24 and 31 points that MAYBE, just maybe, you have a problem on defense but I could be wrong. You seem to know more about this stuff than I do so you're probably my right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Why do these posts still happen. I like how our offense played last week. If we'd had Sammy and Woods all season would we be hammering incessantly on Tyrod. An offense needs to have weapons. Even Clay looked good when we had our guys back. I would humbly suggest that the negative energy be focused on players like Gilmore who should be playing elsewhere eating up some other team's salary cap, Oo focus negative energy on Gilmore who has been FAR MORE productive than Tyrod. See thats the issue you say Gilmore not worth the Money but TT is not worth more than 10M cap hit when you can get similar play from other QBs much cheaper than him. Be consistent anyway Ok got it. See I would argue that in a season when you lose games scoring 25, 25, 25, 31, 24, 24 and 31 points that MAYBE, just maybe, you have a problem on defense but I could be wrong. You seem to know more about this stuff than I do so you're probably my right. Man compete a pass in Sea score when you need to thatbwoukd be awesome for Anti Clutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Ha ha ha sure he will. I'm guessing Kubiak in Denver would love to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 7-8 sucks. Unless those pretty stats happen when we need them most, they don't mean schit. I beg to differ. Let me explain, you win by scoring more points that your opponent. Now stay with me here being a top 5 scoring team means something. If you are top 5 you have half the way there, now you need to focus on your defense and make sure they know how to tackle. If you improve the defense, those pretty offensive stats get you a lot of wins. Just sayin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I'm guessing Kubiak in Denver would love to have him. Yeah because he tried to sign him TWO years ago before the bad tape happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Would have no problem drafting Watson.....just dont want to throw the offense on his shoulders in his rookie year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 I beg to differ. Let me explain, you win by scoring more points that your opponent. Now stay with me here being a top 5 scoring team means something. If you are top 5 you have half the way there, now you need to focus on your defense and make sure they know how to tackle. If you improve the defense, those pretty offensive stats get you a lot of wins. Just sayin.. http://www.nfl.com/s...=PASSING_SACKED Sort this by every statistic and see where your wonder boy falls. Sacked the most in the league. Between 21st and 25th for almost all other stats. I don't know what stats you and the rest of your cult make this guy good in your eyes, but the looking at the stats that actually equate to WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES, he is horrible. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Oo focus negative energy on Gilmore who has been FAR MORE productive than Tyrod. See thats the issue you say Gilmore not worth the Money but TT is not worth more than 10M cap hit when you can get similar play from other QBs much cheaper than him. Be consistent anyway Man compete a pass in Sea score when you need to thatbwoukd be awesome for Anti Clutch Please name the QBs that we can expect similar play from that are available for under 10M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Ok got it. See I would argue that in a season when you lose games scoring 25, 25, 25, 31, 24, 24 and 31 points that MAYBE, just maybe, you have a problem on defense but I could be wrong. You seem to know more about this stuff than I do so you're probably my right. I beg to differ. Let me explain, you win by scoring more points that your opponent. Now stay with me here being a top 5 scoring team means something. If you are top 5 you have half the way there, now you need to focus on your defense and make sure they know how to tackle. If you improve the defense, those pretty offensive stats get you a lot of wins. Just sayin.. Well done on both attempts at rationalization. However, it's like trying to teach trigonometry to a bunch of neanderthals at times around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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