Chef Jim Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Moral legislation is preferable to amoral legislation if that's what you're asking. So do you have an issue with moral legislation enacted by leaders who drew those morals from their beliefs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 So do you have an issue with moral legislation enacted by leaders who drew those morals from their beliefs? If that legislation attempts to enforce their religious beliefs on me then I do have an issue with it. If not then I'm ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Religious beliefs - you mean like global warming cooling climate change? I hear one of that religion's sacraments is abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Religious beliefs - you mean like global warming cooling climate change? I hear one of that religion's sacraments is abortion. For the record: I personally dislike abortion. I find it grotesque and distasteful. I think however that the government should be limited in its interference with the practice while also not funding them. I personally think climate change is a hoax. So I suppose I'm unorthodox in your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 For the record: I personally dislike abortion. I find it grotesque and distasteful. I think however that the government should be limited in its interference with the practice while also not funding them. I personally think climate change is a hoax. So I suppose I'm unorthodox in your mind? Joe, I guess the rub is that for many Americans, their sense of morality stems from their beliefs. If you were someone who believed that stealing should be okay, you could easily argue its against the law because of the Ten Commandments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Joe, I guess the rub is that for many Americans, their sense of morality stems from their beliefs. If you were someone who believed that stealing should be okay, you could easily argue its against the law because of the Ten Commandments. As I said earlier, morality is not dependent on faith/belief. People can be perfectly civilized and law-abiding without, in the words of Darin, "genuflecting to the flying spaghetti monster." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 As I said earlier, morality is not dependent on faith/belief. People can be perfectly civilized and law-abiding without, in the words of Darin, "genuflecting to the flying spaghetti monster." Maybe they can be, but we haven't seen it yet in all our years of civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) As I said earlier, morality is not dependent on faith/belief. Where does morality come from? What is it about humans that makes them instinctively understand what is and isn't moral? And if there is no one thing, then who is to say that what you find morally correct is, in fact, morally correct for everyone? Is there maybe a book you read that outlines for you what is and isn't moral? Edited February 15, 2017 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Where does morality come from? What is it about humans that makes them instinctively understand what is and isn't moral? And if there is no one thing, then who is to say that what you find morally correct is, in fact, morally correct for everyone? Is there maybe a book you read that outlines for you what is and isn't moral? Are you saying that without religion we would have no idea what was right or wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 Where does morality come from? What is it about humans that makes them instinctively understand what is and isn't moral? And if there is no one thing, then who is to say that what you find morally correct is, in fact, morally correct for everyone? Is there maybe a book you read that outlines for you what is and isn't moral? Higher social animals know when they act badly. Not an argument for biblical bases for morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Higher social animals know when they act badly. Not an argument for biblical bases for morality. That doesn't explain how they know when they act badly. It just says that they do. According to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Where does morality come from? What is it about humans that makes them instinctively understand what is and isn't moral? And if there is no one thing, then who is to say that what you find morally correct is, in fact, morally correct for everyone? Is there maybe a book you read that outlines for you what is and isn't moral? People knew theft and murder were wrong before abrahamic religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 People knew theft and murder were wrong before abrahamic religion. How did they know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) People knew theft and murder were wrong before abrahamic religion. Doesn't address this: "who is to say that what you find morally correct is, in fact, morally correct for everyone?" You do realize your whole argument of "moral relativity is stupid" completely contradicts "morality is what people say it is," right? Edited February 15, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Are you saying that without religion we would have no idea what was right or wrong? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Leadership team? Ha! Repeal Obamacare? Infrastructure plans? Tax plan? Build Stupid wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Back at the thread................ No to Puzder by the EditorsRead more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444921/andrew-puzder-labor-secretary-nominee-oppose-confirmation-trump Say No to David Petraeus by David FrenchRead more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444896/say-no-david-petraeus-national-security-adviser The Flynn Affair: Hoping for Addition by Subtraction By Jonathan S TobinRead more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444911/general-michael-flynn-firing-could-be-wake-call-trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Meltdown continues. Sally Kohn: Impeach Trump, Make Hillary President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Leadership team? Ha! Repeal Obamacare? Infrastructure plans? Tax plan? Build Stupid wall? How long does it usually take for a new administration to put together a coherent plan? BTW some months have more than 4 paydays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 How long does it usually take for a new administration to put together a coherent plan? BTW some months have more than 4 paydays. Day one baby! How many times has the moron republicans voted on bills to repeal Obamacare? How many??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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