BringBackOrton Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 It should also be mentioned (since it would definitely be mentioned about the Bills) that so far, the Cowboys have only beaten ONE team with a winning record this year. The 4-3-1 Redskins. How many teams have they beaten with losing records compared to the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 My agenda is making the playoffs. Yours is defending mediocrity at all costs. Playoff teams win two of the three games I cited. Some poster's egos are on the line and now bruised so they're forced to make excuses (injuries, coaching). Or, they flat out attack other posters when their prognostications fall woefully short. No GM since Polian has had more resources to win with and yet, the Bills routinely find themselves among the average to mediocre teams. 9 out of the last 10 seasons this team has won 6-9 games. If that ain't mediocrity I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Some poster's egos are on the line and now bruised so they're forced to make excuses (injuries, coaching). Or, they flat out attack other posters when their prognostications fall woefully short. No GM since Polian has had more resources to win with and yet, the Bills routinely find themselves among the average to mediocre teams. 9 out of the last 10 seasons this team has won 6-9 games. If that ain't mediocrity I don't know what is. Well reasoned post. Yes JJ has had some crappy seasons, but he's been given a lot of the same opportunities as the Bills (and now Doug Whaley) and has made the Playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 Uhhhhhhhh, is there any question??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Uhhhhhhhh, is there any question??? I hear Sammy Watkins might actually be returning this week. Isnt it nice that Dak has had similar talent to through to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 I hear Sammy Watkins might actually be returning this week. Isnt it nice that Dak has had similar talent to through to? Sammy is not similar to Dez...Not by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Garrett's record as Dallas HC 2010: 6-10 2011: 8-8 2012: 8-8 2013: 8-8 2014: 12-4 2015: 4-12 2016: 9-1 Continuity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Wasn't JJ GM of the year in 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Sammy is not similar to Dez...Not by a long shot. While I disagree with you a bunch.....what you say only proves my point further Playmakers make plays..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 Wasn't JJ GM of the year in 2014?I don't doubt it. The guy has built a strong, young, talented team. While I disagree with you a bunch.....what you say only proves my point further Playmakers make plays..... Yes...they do. Some players play tough...others, have a tough time playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I don't doubt it. The guy has built a strong, young, talented team. More like he backed off and let football people biuld him a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 More like he backed off and let football people biuld him a team Many accounts have that he over ruled those people and took a RB in the top 5 this year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Many accounts have that he over ruled those people and took a RB in the top 5 this year.... That RB has been awesome but.....they had several more picks Personally I think he should be given credit for the backing off and trusting people he hires to biuld a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 That RB has been awesome but.....they had several more picks Personally I think he should be given credit for the backing off and trusting people he hires to biuld a team Whether he's picking on his own accord or deferring to the advice of others, he's still the GM. And this team he assembled is strong...more so than what we are watching week to week. Jerry wins. Doug loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Garrett's record as Dallas HC 2010: 6-10 2011: 8-8 2012: 8-8 2013: 8-8 2014: 12-4 2015: 4-12 2016: 9-1 Continuity? Let's ask the Rams how that continuity thing is going for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 That RB has been awesome but.....they had several more picks Personally I think he should be given credit for the backing off and trusting people he hires to biuld a team Well, all teams have more picks. Taking a RB in the top 5 is no longer how it's done (successfully). All GMs have many trusted voices. But they pull the trigger. JJ doesn't have a career as "GM" known for sitting back and letting others make all the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Well, all teams have more picks. Taking a RB in the top 5 is no longer how it's done (successfully). All GMs have many trusted voices. But they pull the trigger. JJ doesn't have a career as "GM" known for sitting back and letting others make all the decisions. Didnt dallas try to move up with us in the 1st round because they wanted a QB.....we just didnt like their offer? If that be the case....Dak Prescott would have never been on their team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Didnt dallas try to move up with us in the 1st round because they wanted a QB.....we just didnt like their offer? If that be the case....Dak Prescott would have never been on their team? Move up with us? They had the 4th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Move up with us? They had the 4th pickthey were rumored to be trying to move back into the first round from there second round pick to get a qb, lynch i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 He has stuck with Garrett through many disappointing seasons, tweaked the staff instead of "cleaning house", and what they now have is an established offensive system, and the proper coaching staff to develop a QB. This. Garrett has been very unpopular with the fan base for a lot of years, and Jerry stuck with him. Turns out to have been a very good move, probably the key to the fact that they're doing well. As for QB success being the entire key to their system, I'd argue it's the entire key to everyone's system but not everyone realizes it. It's just that very few teams have been able to get top ten or twelve QBs on their roster. And there's very little chance at a Lombardi without a top ten or twelve guy. You have to have a top ten or twelve defense of all time to have a decent chance of success with a QB below that level. 3 first round picks for Sammy? Wait I thought it was 10 picks no? Maybe you should look into that trade and educate yourself. Lorax was NOT a good pickup? Not sure how that supports your point. Hint: it doesn't. Dareus was the pick at 3 at the time. ask Buddy Nix, he was the gm that drafted him (look into that too) Good point. No reasonable way to say it was 3 first round picks. It was two firsts and a fourth, more specifically the 2014 #9, the 2015 #19 and the 2015 #115. That's three guys who are not on the roster because Sammy is, but saying it was three firsts is just plain wrong. Correct! If you read this article from Peter King MMQB he goes into great detail about the Dallas Cowboys draft room as he spends the weekend with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys during the 2016 NFL draft. In the Cowboys’ draft room, support staff and scouts and coaches ring three quarters of a large rectangular table. At the head of the table sits, from left to right, mostly a family affair: vice president and director of player personnel Stephen Jones (who mans the phone for most trade discussions); Jerry Jones; executive vice president Charlotte Jones Anderson (Jerry’s daughter); coach Jason Garrett; and just around the corner of the table, executive vice president of sales and marketing Jerry Jones Jr. Stephen Jones is at the nerve center, with direct lines to 31 NFL teams on the phone console in front of him. This simple sentence from the article should give everyone the absolute understanding into exactly who makes the draft choices for the Dallas Cowboys. While contemplating a trade with the Baltimore Ravens that was taking too much time. Jerry makes his decision! “Get Zeke on the phone,” Jerry Jones said. And he instructed the card to be turned in with Ezekiel Elliott’s name on it. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/01/nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-war-room-jerry-jones-peter-king Jerry Jones is still very much running that team as GM with his son Stephen advising him. So yes, Jerry Jones has done a superior job over Doug Whaley. But then, like others have mentioned that Whaley doesn't even have the control over the team that other GM's have. Yup. The evidence is that Jerry pulls the trigger. If he lets other people make some decisions, that's just a different form of pulling the trigger. I hate Jerry. Hate him. But he's the GM there, in name and in function. He's been correctly accused of screwing things up there for years. Logically he now gets the credit when they're doing well. I'm hopeful they won't win a Lombardi anytime soon, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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