shrader Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) I saw a video where someone counted that Rick and the gang have killed 47 Savior characters to date. If fans wanted to get real ticky tacky - Alexandria could have ended the Saviors in the last episode. They had the bulk of the Saviors at a choke point between the gate and the one lane road leading to the compound, pinned in by all the moving trucks. Or, you can get them all inside and take them down from the cover of the houses. Of course, you'd have no story then. Rick's Army took on a far larger, more well equipped opponent in the past - the Woodbury Army - and won. Except there's still so many more Saviors left back at the Sanctuary. Sure, they'd take out Negan, but the group hasn't seen enough to know where their leadership structure goes beyond Negan. That and Negan showed up early, which cancels out any opportunity they had to setup an ambush. Edited November 14, 2016 by shrader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) They also had a rocket launcher. Seriously a !@#$ing RPG and they just gave it away. And wouldn't you think they would have destroyed the inventory list? I mean that's just basic CYA. Rick did say he thought about hiding some weapons, but feared what might happen if caught. Edited November 14, 2016 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 And wouldn't you think they would have destroyed the inventory list? I mean that's just basic CYA. Rick did say he thought about hiding some weapons, but feared what might happen if caught. Seriously. And when did Gabe have the ime to dig the fake grave for Maggie and why not one for Sasha and why did he feel it was necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 And wouldn't you think they would have destroyed the inventory list? I mean that's just basic CYA. Rick did say he thought about hiding some weapons, but feared what might happen if caught. Rick hid weapons outside Terminus so you'd think it'd be just a standard practice to stash weapons for emergency purposes, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Except there's still so many more Saviors left back at the Sanctuary. Sure, they'd take out Negan, but the group hasn't seen enough to know where their leadership structure goes beyond Negan. That and Negan showed up early, which cancels out any opportunity they had to setup an ambush. and I am thinking that was his intention of showing up early Keep Rick off balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 and I am thinking that was his intention of showing up early Keep Rick off balance Yes, definitely loves playing head games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 And wouldn't you think they would have destroyed the inventory list? I mean that's just basic CYA. Rick did say he thought about hiding some weapons, but feared what might happen if caught. You'd think...but Rick ain't exactly in a good head space right now. Seriously. And when did Gabe have the ime to dig the fake grave for Maggie and why not one for Sasha and why did he feel it was necessary? You don't have to fake a grave. You only have to fake a headstone. And you may not even have to fake that. Did Negan ever find out Maggie's name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCBillsFan Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 You'd think...but Rick ain't exactly in a good head space right now. You don't have to fake a grave. You only have to fake a headstone. And you may not even have to fake that. Did Negan ever find out Maggie's name? I don't think so. He referred to her as "the sick girl" last night. But who knows what Negan really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I don't think so. He referred to her as "the sick girl" last night. But who knows what Negan really knows. That's what I was thinking...but on the other hand, when Carol and Maggie are captured last season by the Survivors, the woman who captured them mentioned both by name over an open channel, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 That's what I was thinking...but on the other hand, when Carol and Maggie are captured last season by the Survivors, the woman who captured them mentioned both by name over an open channel, so who knows? He'd have no way of knowing that she was one of those two though. There were, what, four women in the lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 He'd have no way of knowing that she was one of those two though. There were, what, four women in the lineup? And yet, he seems to know that Daryl killed his guys with Chekov's Rocket Launcher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 And yet, he seems to know that Daryl killed his guys with Chekov's Rocket Launcher... Safe bet. I'm not really sure how he knew it was a rocket launcher though. I don't know a thing about them and how much evidence of the rocket would be left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 And yet, he seems to know that Daryl killed his guys with Chekov's Rocket Launcher... It is difficult to know what Negan knows/doesn't, but they all seem to lineup behind him so he probably knows a very high percentage of whatever anyone else in the group knows. He might not know about the agreement with the Hilltop because everyone at that outpost is dead, but he still might. He does know: The location of the Hilltop The group was trying to go somewhere carrying around a sick pregnant chick, first in an RV, then on a stretcher. and he had his group block all the routes to the Hilltop. Common man, he knew they were going to the Hilltop with Maggie being the one that had to get there.He should have put two and two together with Sasha missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) He might not know about the agreement with the Hilltop because everyone at that outpost is dead, but he still might. He does know: The location of the Hilltop The group was trying to go somewhere carrying around a sick pregnant chick, first in an RV, then on a stretcher. and he had his group block all the routes to the Hilltop. Common man, he knew they were going to the Hilltop with Maggie being the one that had to get there.He should have put two and two together with Sasha missing. The reason Rick said Maggie didn't make it was to give Negan no reason to think Maggie may be at the Hilltop or that they even knew about the Hilltoppers. But yes, I agree, Negan should have been able to at least think they might be heading to the Hilltop. That being said, I don't think Negan knows. Let's face it, the only way to beat the Saviors is for the 3 groups to come together and if Negan had the slightest idea that they knew of each other, he would take them out. So I just found this: The Hilltop Colony, or simply The Hilltop, is a community that first appeared in "Knots Untie" of AMC's The Walking Dead. It is a farming community located in Virginia, led by a man named Gregory, and is located twenty miles from the Alexandria Safe-Zone. If it is indeed 20 miles from the Alexandria Safe-Zone, then Negan could have intercepted Rick's crew well before they were even close and therefore wouldn't really think about them heading there. Edited November 15, 2016 by ricojes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 The reason Rick said Maggie didn't make it was to give Negan no reason to think Maggie may be at the Hilltop or that they even knew about the Hilltoppers. But yes, I agree, Negan should have been able to at least think they might be heading to the Hilltop. That being said, I don't think Negan knows. Let's face it, the only way to beat the Saviors is for the 3 groups to come together and if Negan had the slightest idea that they knew of each other, he would take them out. So I just found this: If it is indeed 20 miles from the Alexandria Safe-Zone, then Negan could have intercepted Rick's crew well before they were even close and therefore wouldn't really think about them heading there. I get it. But he knew they were heading somewhere. And he knew they were in need of a doctor for Maggie or they wouldn't have been carrying her on a stretcher through the friggin woods. And if they decided to carrying her on a stretcher through the friggin woods in her condition, they were a lot closer than 20 miles away at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I get it. But he knew they were heading somewhere. And he knew they were in need of a doctor for Maggie or they wouldn't have been carrying her on a stretcher through the friggin woods. And if they decided to carrying her on a stretcher through the friggin woods in her condition, they were a lot closer than 20 miles away at that point. Possibly, impossible to say with the information we have. But I think that was there only option at the time. They had no choice but to walk no matter what the distance, it was their only hope of getting there however slim it may have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Negan had some great lines, but this one was epic: "Holy crap, you are creepy as s#!t sneaking up on me wearing that collar with that freaky ass smile." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I'll spoiler tag it since I'm talking about the previews for next week's episode. I don't think it's really a spoiler, but I'll play it safe anyway: They showed the Saviors visiting the Hilltop next week. I'll be curious to see how they react to seeing Gregory alive seeing as how Rick and co. played that severed head trick last season. Then again, maybe that news never got to Negan's group before Rick killed every last one of them. They'll also more than likely see that Maggie and Sasha there unless someone like Jesus decides to take the risk of trying to hide them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) I'll spoiler tag it since I'm talking about the previews for next week's episode. I don't think it's really a spoiler, but I'll play it safe anyway: They showed the Saviors visiting the Hilltop next week. I'll be curious to see how they react to seeing Gregory alive seeing as how Rick and co. played that severed head trick last season. Then again, maybe that news never got to Negan's group before Rick killed every last one of them. They'll also more than likely see that Maggie and Sasha there unless someone like Jesus decides to take the risk of trying to hide them. Rick and company showed the head and then killed everybody. Negan might not even know the other guys asked for the head, but he probably knows they at least asked....and probably not that it was faked. He knows Rick's group killed them, but could think it was a coincidence. He would have to at least investigate a connection though, right? It wouldn't have been implausible if Simon and a group left the Lucille scene, and split off from Negan immediately to go to Hilltop, before returning to the Sanctuary. They might have even beat Maggie and Sasha there. Probably not, because there are a lot of them in the preview. This episode should answer at least some of these holes. If nothing else, the hostage that the saviors had is now back at Hilltop, right? That'll raise some eyebrows. Edited November 15, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Rick and company showed the head and then killed everybody. Negan might not even know the other guys asked for the head, but he probably knows they at least asked....and probably not that it was faked. He knows Rick's group killed them, but could think it was a coincidence. He would have to at least investigate a connection though, right? It wouldn't have been implausible if Simon and a group left the Lucille scene, and split off from Negan immediately to go to Hilltop, before returning to the Sanctuary. They might have even beat Maggie and Sasha there. Probably not, because there are a lot of them in the preview. This episode should answer at least some of these holes. If nothing else, the hostage that the saviors had is now back at Hilltop, right? That'll raise some eyebrows. I can't imagine anyone in that group sending someone to kill Gregory without Negan's knowledge. That's just begging for an iron to the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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