CommonCents Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Same Doc did his surgery that did Julio's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 i thought he was already done. In reality, this is the most accurate. None of us should be surprised by this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Who operated on his foot? Same guy. Robert Anderson. Our doctors are clearly incompetent so it will be good to see a specialist. Should have done this months ago He did. This is the guy who operated on his foot and put the screws in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Get Sammy and Ragland 100% next year and run the table! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 He did. This is the guy who operated on his foot and put the screws in. In April. This is October. Should have had regular checkups since then and should not have been on field in training camp if he was still in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I want to see how the other receivers react to this...... Not having a healthy Sammy friggen HURTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Get Sammy and Ragland 100% next year and run the table! And a franchise qb if we tank this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 We are not tanking this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 We are not tanking this season +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Or it couldnt like any other NFL WR that has had a Jones Surgery I can't parse this. Are you saying that no other NFL WR with a Jones surgery has had a prolonged recovery? I don't think that's true. It is said that Dez Bryant, Kevin Durant, and Julian Edelman all required a 2nd surgery. Julio Jones, apparently, did not. The complication rate of requiring 2nd surgery is said to be about 20% Here are a couple of interesting references. 1) A study specific to this injury in NFL players: https://www.aofas.org/PRC/meeting/Documents/returntoplayinnationalfoo.pdf (note one of the authors is the surgeon who is said to have operated on Watkins) Interesting that they define RTP (return to play) as "at least 1 regular season game", not as "coaches and patient believe recovery is complete" 2) A general description of the surgery http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/treatments/pages/fifth-metatarsal-fracture-surgery.aspx Note that non-surgical treatment is apparently effective 80% of the time Edited October 2, 2016 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 You don't need a medical degree to know that a broken bone in your foot in April shouldn't put you on IR in October. If he was hurt he needed to rehab, not be out there in training camp limping around We have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 In April. This is October. Should have had regular checkups since then and should not have been on field in training camp if he was still in pain.he was not in pain. He was fully healed. This surgery has a 3 month recovery time to being fully healed. He had that. He said he felt great and ready to go, as well. In 20 percent of cases, the player needs a second surgery AFTER they return to game action. It happened to Julio. It happened to Edelman. It happened to Dez. None of these guys play for Bills. There is nothing out of the ordinary in terms of how the Bills handled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Obviously a huge blow to Bills for this season. But I don't think it impacts their need for a #1 WR at least for next 2 years. Sammy will be back and hopefully ready to go in 2017. I do think Hunter needs to fill a huge void in 2016, let's hope he does. They definitely need to draft one high this year to replace woods who will most likely walk. And possibly to replace Sammy once he leaves as a FA (if he does). Jeez, I hope not. Can't stand to see Whaley give away another two # 1s in 2017 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Funny how the raiders drafted a wr high but he seems to be doing fine and healthy Whaley just made the wrong pick, he needs to be fired for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 You don't need a medical degree to know that a broken bone in your foot in April shouldn't put you on IR in October. If he was hurt he needed to rehab, not be out there in training camp limping around You don't need a medical degree, but you do need some knowledge of injuries and the usual course of rehab. http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/treatments/pages/fifth-metatarsal-fracture-surgery.aspx https://www.aofas.org/PRC/meeting/Documents/returntoplayinnationalfoo.pdf The usual course of recovery for this injury is 6-8 weeks "sports specific integration" and 8-10 weeks "return to play" after surgical fixation with screw, and Sammy "limping around in training camp" was right on course to be doing that as part of his rehab However, a significant proportion of those treated do apparently suffer complications or need a 2nd surgery (one source says 20%). Article about Edelman's Jones fracture which kept him out from Nov 15th to January 16th, 9 weeks. Article about Julio Jones's Jones fracture rehab after 2013 season - again note that usual recovery is 6-12 weeks, but since Jones had been treated for the same injury in 2011 and broke the bone AND screw, his 2nd rehab was more cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 So if I'm reading this right most of these injuries don't require surgery 80% of the time. Of the 20% that do require surgery only 20% require a second surgery. So we're saying that from the time he first injured the foot there was only a 4% chance that Watkins would end up requiring two surgeries? Of course that's what happened, he's on the Bills. Snake bit doesn't even begin to describe it at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Well it least it was a productive season. I enjoy people who probs my never played a sport on a high level questioning a NFL player's toughness. It's hilarious. It seems to be just one manifestation of a philosophy held by many on this board regarding anything negative that happens with this team: Somebody must be blamed and/or somebody must pay/be punished...in some way - and it often becomes very personal. Unfortunately, frustration and anger can bring out the worst in human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 It seems to be just one manifestation of a philosophy held by many on this board regarding anything negative that happens with this team: Somebody must be blamed and/or somebody must pay/be punished...in some way - and it often becomes very personal. Unfortunately, frustration and anger can bring out the worst in human nature. It's not just this board, it's our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Jeez, I hope not. Can't stand to see Whaley give away another two # 1s in 2017 draft. two #1s? @profootballdoc #SammyWatkins @buffalobills Bad news: season over Good news: 100% for 2017 when healed. See #Edelman #Dez #Julio & many more WR examples. Edited October 2, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 two #1s? @profootballdoc #SammyWatkins @buffalobills Bad news: season over Good news: 100% for 2017 when healed. See #Edelman #Dez #Julio & many more WR examples. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350427/article/buffalo-bills-move-for-sammy-watkins-came-at-huge-cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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