3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 You're doing good work in this thread trying to bring levity and/or steer it off course, but I don't want to bog the thread down with a battle over voter ID laws. We can go into the dungeon of PPP for that if you want. The bottom line is voter ID laws are perhaps noble in principle but in practice they're proven to be disenfranchising. We can debate all day long about the motive behind these laws, but from the point of view of how our government is supposed to work at its best, disenfranchisement of any sort is a violation of the worst kind. And let's not get this topic too bogged down in right vs left. That's a distraction designed to keep us fighting one another rather than working actively towards solutions. you have a keen eye my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Yes, a very partisan group of 3 judges made that decision. Unfortunately politics have infiltrated every inch of government. We have a lot of illegal immigrants registering to vote because it is so easy to do so with driver's licenses and taxpayer ID numbers being readily issued to illegal immigrants. No proof of citizenship is required/confirmed in many states. Everyone should support voter ID, better registration screening and integrity at the polls. How come when judges rule the way you like, they are upholding the Constitution? And when you disagree it's a partisan decision? When was politics not involved in government? Even better, when Trump talks about making America great again, when exactly would he say it was great? No one I have asked has had an answer for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 He is just trying to get cut. Wants to go to Dallas but knows the 49ers won't trade him. So he is pulling this baby tantrum bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 How exactly are they taking it away? By requiring basic id? I've already answered that in this thread. They are taking it away by closing polling places in black areas and changing the rules of what constitutes legal ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 To be 18, a citizen, mentally competent and not a felon. Period, end of list. "Papers please" is not on that list. well that leaves me out. i am 55, probably a citizen, not sure about the rest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I would suggest that this thread is no longer related to either the Buffalo Bills or the NFL in general and might be moved to another location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 How come when judges rule the way you like, they are upholding the Constitution? And when you disagree it's a partisan decision? When was politics not involved in government? Even better, when Trump talks about making America great again, when exactly would he say it was great? No one I have asked has had an answer for that one. wow! the mention of "trump" again! as i said on saturday, how is this not been moved? once the partisanship starts.. it sure does take away the purpose of this.. despite all the "brainiacs" on here pontificating.. their B S.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Luckily the survived genocide to decide for themselves. just barely though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 wow! the mention of "trump" again! as i said on saturday, how is this not been moved? once the partisanship starts.. it sure does take away the purpose of this.. despite all the "brainiacs" on here pontificating.. their B S.. Kettle Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I wish the whole debate on the Kaep incident became about freedom of speech and the first. Break up the trigger warnings. Safe spaces. Sit ins at college. Shut down Univ of Missouri and send Pinkel to DeVry (I hate pinkel. Always have). The bigger issue is not kaep. Its free speech Freedom to express a viewpoint. What the country was based upon i heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'm not going to go any farther on these posts. Treat people well, teach your kids to do the same, and speak for the person in a weak position. If I observe someone being treated poorly, I'll speak up including a police officer. Now, much of my extended family are in some form of law enforcement, but I'm a corporate guy. But I also have a ton of family in business, medicine, law, and so on. Doesn't matter. Most cops are decent guys. There are some that are not. Treat individually, and if a cop is unlawful, put him in jail. These large statements are silly. He did not need to make the statement he made and encouraged in three weeks. Given he is a back up, and about to be released is just dumb from a business standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 How come when judges rule the way you like, they are upholding the Constitution? And when you disagree it's a partisan decision? When was politics not involved in government? Even better, when Trump talks about making America great again, when exactly would he say it was great? No one I have asked has had an answer for that one. I would like the answer to that question too. Most likely at it's inception and the effort to strive for good. The Franklin days were pretty good, and Lincoln was doing the good work , but by then the worms were turning The Country is still evolving and hardly reached it ceiling. But at times it is pretty good. I would kick the tires WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Kap has finally scored a touchdown. In dramatic fashion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I've already answered that in this thread. They are taking it away by closing polling places in black areas and changing the rules of what constitutes legal ID. Why wouldn't Hillary want black people to vote ? I'm not buying the ID thing. It's beyond simple at countless locations in my part of the world for all races. Don't they need ID to get jobs ? How does that work ? Edited August 29, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I would like the answer to that question too. Most likely at it's inception and the effort to strive for good. The Franklin days were pretty good, and Lincoln was doing the good work , but by then the worms were turning The Country is still evolving and hardly reached it ceiling. But at times it is pretty good. I would kick the tires WIP Ah, let's return to the Great America when you could own black people and when women could not vote and were considered chattle. James Madison — who was the main framer, and one of the founding fathers who was most libertarian — makes it very clear that the new constitutional system must be designed so as to insure that the government will, in his words “protect the minority of the opulent against the majority” and bar the way to anything like agrarian reform. The determination was made that America could not allow functioning democracy, since people would use their political power to attack the wealth of the minority of the opulent. Therefore, Madison argues, the country should be placed in the hands of the wealthier set of men, as he put it. Why wouldn't Hillary want black people to vote ? I'm not buying the ID thing. It's beyond simple at countless locations in my part of the world for all races. You are free to buy whatever you want and ignore whatever you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Ah, let's return to the Great America when you could own black people and when women could not vote and were considered chattle. James Madison — who was the main framer, and one of the founding fathers who was most libertarian — makes it very clear that the new constitutional system must be designed so as to insure that the government will, in his words “protect the minority of the opulent against the majority” and bar the way to anything like agrarian reform. The determination was made that America could not allow functioning democracy, since people would use their political power to attack the wealth of the minority of the opulent. Therefore, Madison argues, the country should be placed in the hands of the wealthier set of men, as he put it. You are free to buy whatever you want and ignore whatever you want. Well I thought you were going to bring up Jefferson. Money is the ruling class. not Whitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 What a know nothing. What have you studied over the course of your life? It's apparent that you have no knowledge of what I have studied and know as fact. It's why I often choose to ignore your uneducated ridiculousness on almost every occasion. This is my final response to you because you merit being ignored. yet. You know nothing of what I know? I don't give a **** to answer absurd questions. What you have studied amounts to nothing but a career with a looootttttttttt of fr3e time Regardless. nothing you have stated is pure factual. So its your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Well I thought you were going to bring up Jefferson. Money is the ruling class. not Whitey Who has the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 But as i mentioned history is the teacher. So go back further. To Europe perhaps and all the wonderful things they were doing pre USA. There have always been divisions and dividing of peoples. It ain't right by me, but it's not unique to the South/ North or United States. My best friend in third grade was Choochie. we played football together in fun. He had a Packers helmet and had an early Redskins helmet. I dont think i really realized he was black until i moved to new york. and i learned about racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) Who has the money? Dr Dre, Puff Daddy, Birdman, Cube, Will Smith ? Edited August 29, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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