MarlinTheMagician Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Personally, I really would like to see the Bills get Tyrod done now. Will give them clarity on their cap situation, and will avoid a potential distraction. I also think we are weighing risks here - forcing him to prove it reduces risk of a bad signing. If he does however I suspect the price goes up a great deal. Given that I have a lot of faith in Tyrod, I personally think the smart move is to get it done now. Be interested in what the board thinks. I also fear Tyrod gets hurt and EJ comes in and plays well enough to create a controversy. That would be very bad, from my perspective, because I think Tyrod is the much better long-term choice. I know this is a deep minority view. I thought EJ showed promise until hurt in Cleveland - he played with confidence and brought them back to win a couple of times. After that, he seemed to lose his swagger, started aiming the ball and refused to throw receivers open. Then last year, his determination to "let it go" seemed an over-compensation resulting in lots of bad plays. Unlike almost everyone else I think he has the talent to be pretty good if he gets his head right, just not nearly as good as Tyrod. So with this roster I could see him coming in for a hurt Tyrod and winning a bunch of games. If we make the playoffs under him, I fear are QB situation becomes a mess. I believe I am the only one that thinks this is plausible - anyone else have a scrap of confidence left in EJ? My expectation is no. But I want Tyrod, and I would like to see him signed before the season. Be interested in people's thoughts on both signing Tyrod and whether EJ has any hope to salvage his career. If he lasts that long, I could see him becoming an adequate starter in about year 6 or 7 of his career - but it won't be in Buffalo. Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Holy cow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Waiting will only cost you more. If you think you are getting another Fitz or Trent with TT maybe your evaluation skills are lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Waiting will only cost you more. If you think you are getting another Fitz or Trent with TT maybe your evaluation skills are lacking. But didn't you think all 3 would be great? The only controversy EJ is bringing is his attempt to open a Popeye's in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 He is already signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I am still of the view that unless we can find a bridge contract I'd rather wait. I'd plan on trying to get Gilmore done giving myself the freedom to use the tag on Tyrod next season in the worst case scenario. We are going to be paying Tyrod $20m a year unless he proves next year that he is definitely NOT the long term answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 Well, I think they should sign him now. And I hope EJ makes it late in his career someplace else and is not opening a Popeye's. Given his work ethic and tools, it would not shock me - but I also think it is more likely that he doesn't. Sign Tyrod, agree it will cost you more later - wait if you think you have a Trent or Losman or Fitz. Not what I think in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Personally, I really would like to see the Bills get Tyrod done now. Will give them clarity on their cap situation, and will avoid a potential distraction. I also think we are weighing risks here - forcing him to prove it reduces risk of a bad signing. If he does however I suspect the price goes up a great deal. Given that I have a lot of faith in Tyrod, I personally think the smart move is to get it done now. Be interested in what the board thinks. I also fear Tyrod gets hurt and EJ comes in and plays well enough to create a controversy. That would be very bad, from my perspective, because I think Tyrod is the much better long-term choice. I know this is a deep minority view. I thought EJ showed promise until hurt in Cleveland - he played with confidence and brought them back to win a couple of times. After that, he seemed to lose his swagger, started aiming the ball and refused to throw receivers open. Then last year, his determination to "let it go" seemed an over-compensation resulting in lots of bad plays. Unlike almost everyone else I think he has the talent to be pretty good if he gets his head right, just not nearly as good as Tyrod. So with this roster I could see him coming in for a hurt Tyrod and winning a bunch of games. If we make the playoffs under him, I fear are QB situation becomes a mess. I believe I am the only one that thinks this is plausible - anyone else have a scrap of confidence left in EJ? My expectation is no. But I want Tyrod, and I would like to see him signed before the season. Be interested in people's thoughts on both signing Tyrod and whether EJ has any hope to salvage his career. If he lasts that long, I could see him becoming an adequate starter in about year 6 or 7 of his career - but it won't be in Buffalo. Go Bills. If I could give you post of the year regarding E.J I would because in my eyes this is exactly what happened with him. I truly feel sorry for him. Like Jay-Z said " Once you are tag lame in the game then its follow the leader" Edited July 17, 2016 by Protocal69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Why is it that every contract has to better the last? Why couldn't all contracts be separate, paid to level and length of production? Even if TT comes out and tears ass all year I see no reason to go over $13-$17 mil a year. The thing is, he won't sign for that and some team will eventually have to go over $20 mil to get it done with the Franchise tag likely be at or near $20 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Why is it that every contract has to better the last? Why couldn't all contracts be separate, paid to level and length of production? Even if TT comes out and tears ass all year I see no reason to go over $13-$17 mil a year. The thing is, he won't sign for that and some team will eventually have to go over $20 mil to get it done with the Franchise tag likely be at or near $20 mil. The market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Why is it that every contract has to better the last? Why couldn't all contracts be separate, paid to level and length of production? Even if TT comes out and tears ass all year I see no reason to go over $13-$17 mil a year. The thing is, he won't sign for that and some team will eventually have to go over $20 mil to get it done with the Franchise tag likely be at or near $20 mil.Not sure what you mean by tears ass? You mean tears it up or kicks ass? If you mean he plays very well he's not taking less than $22MM/year. You can't even sign a bad QB for $13-17 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Sure, I'd be willing to sign him. But not for the $21 - $22 million it would probably cost right now to get Tyrod's signature on the line. I don't really agree with the "it'll only cost more later" crowd. IMHO it's more like we don't really know yet if Tyrod's worth what he thinks he is, which is what he (reasonably) wants. The guy's betting on himself, and good on him for it, but I think people here are imagining we could get him for less than $20 mill right now, and it just simply doesn't seem he'd sign for that. If he improves a lot, we'll learn that he's actually worth what he's probably willing to sign for. I could imagine his demands going up a bit, but most likely they're already high enough that they couldn't reasonably go up all that much. He's unlikely to end up getting more than Luck, Rodgers and those folks, unless the year he has next year is truly elite. Which is very unlikely to happen in his second year as a starter. Edited July 17, 2016 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 not sure on this one... my sense is to wait... hell, Russell Wilson was a proven commodity and Seattle waited ... the $$ will be the $$ whether they sign him now or a year from now... might as well wait until a year from now when they can assess the impact on the rest of the roster... I don't believe they have the cap space for both he and Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Is it possible that maybe he doesn't want to sign a contract now? I don't know why people have this discussion every time there is a free agent to sign. I can't imagine why Taylor would sign a contract right now without at least dangling the possibility of his hitting the free market in front of the Bills. Taylor and his agent are in the driver's seat on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Sign Gilmore. Tag TT. That is the play. Even if you have to overpay a bit to get the Gilmore deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 This topic has been beaten to death prior to this thread, but I'll recap my position: - EJ is a dead man walking in B-lo. There's really no plausible scenario where he's here next season. The sooner both parties move on, the better for both. - CBs like Gilmore are necessary to run Rex's defense, which puts a lot of pressure on the position. I see a deal getting done prior to the season. - Taylor hasn't yet earned the deal he would accept and the Bills aren't in a position where they are forced to make a move with him. His contract (and where he plays in 2017) will be determined by his play this season. Taylor really has no choice but to bet on himself. He can't hold out because so much is riding on his play and he needs all of the preparation possible. The Bills are wary of giving Taylor a big deal now as the risks far outweigh the rewards. The franchise tag is available next offseason if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 It's been proven over and over that players love the franchise tag and always abide by the teams decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 It's been proven over and over that players love the franchise tag and always abide by the teams decision. I see you're still worried about the team hurting Taylor's feelings. Do we really need to go down this path again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Waiting will only cost you more. If you think you are getting another Fitz or Trent with TT maybe your evaluation skills are lacking. But didn't you think all 3 would be great? . Promo the Fitzlover. TT is different I tell you. He's quietly spectacular!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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