zevo Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Kane is a superstar. The thought of trading him away from a team that needs superstars is mind boggling. There is no denying his talent....it's about keeping his nose clean....which he had done but there is always a question of whether something will happen again...that's the gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Kane is a superstar. The thought of trading him away from a team that needs superstars is mind boggling. Selling high!!!! Like i said , i really Kane and and this is not a "i hate this guy, trade him" ..it is a how does my team look for the next 3 years... I do think there is a lot that goes into this Can thy re-sign him to a number that fits with all the other big conracts they have...in an era where appears cap not going up much? He plays a position where the Sabres have depth Could be said the other forwards don't score as much because the D cannot clear and feed as needed A big part of lack of scoring comes from the putrid point total off the D...need more scoring from the back end His style of play leads to injuries Again, I only trade Kane for equal value coming back...a surefire top 4 D that is under Sabre control for at least 4 years Edited February 12, 2017 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Kane is a superstar. The thought of trading him away from a team that needs superstars is mind boggling. Let's work together to kidnap Plenzmd1, the leading voice of the chorus to trade him. I'll make the arrangements to dispose of the body. I have relatives who are in the garbage disposal business. I'm confident you know what I mean! One of the key and irreplaceable players on this team is Risto. Paul Hamilton said after the game that the Leafs made a concerted effort to get him off the ice by instigating behavior to get him to respond and take him off the ice. It was very evident in this game that he was being targeted. Actually good strategy. Wouldn't it be great if and when both teams get real good that a true bitter rivalry materialized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Selling high!!!! Like i said , i really Kane and and this is not a "i hate this guy, trade him" ..it is a how does my team look for the next 3 years... I do think there is a lot that goes into this Can thy re-sign him to a number that fits with all the other big conracts they have...in an era where appears cap not going up much? He plays a position where the Sabres have depth Could be said the other forwards don't score as much because the D cannot clear and feed as needed A big part of lack of scoring comes from the putrid point total off the D...need more scoring from the back end His style of play leads to injuries Again, I only trade Kane for equal value coming back...a surefire top 4 D that is under Sabre control for at least 4 years Why create a hole on the wing when the only other legit NHL scoring threat is Okposo? Makes no sense to me and I do not believe Murray makes this move since Kane is giving the team exactly what he envisioned. Edited February 12, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Selling high!!!! Like i said , i really Kane and and this is not a "i hate this guy, trade him" ..it is a how does my team look for the next 3 years... I do think there is a lot that goes into this Can thy re-sign him to a number that fits with all the other big conracts they have...in an era where appears cap not going up much? He plays a position where the Sabres have depth Could be said the other forwards don't score as much because the D cannot clear and feed as needed A big part of lack of scoring comes from the putrid point total off the D...need more scoring from the back end His style of play leads to injuries Again, I only trade Kane for equal value coming back...a surefire top 4 D that is under Sabre control for at least 4 years A sure fire top 4 D is not going to be a cheap player. If a team has that caliber of player under contract for four years why would they pick up a high scoring talent who is under contract for only another year? Then the team will have to deal with a player who is going to be a high cost player for them or have to dispatch him because of the expected cost. My position is you already have a player who is one to the top five on five goal scorers in the league. Even if we get a top four defenseman that is not going to come close to replacing a commodity that is considered more precious, an accomplished goal scorer. There are goal scorers who are basically just snipers. Vanek comes to mind who fits that description. Kane is a well rounded player who does everything. He scores goals, he plays on the power play, he kills penalties, he checks, he is a gritty player. He is a multi-faceted player whose value goes beyond his stats. This offseason the team will be shedding some contracts and be in a favorable position to add another one or two solid to good defensemen to the roster. Guhle will also be added to the unit. My position is our defense situation is not as dire as many are making it out to be. The Pyatt for Kulikov trade was a bad deal. An efficient and dependable player was traded for a more physical but erratic player who has a tendency to neatly put the puck on the opponent's stick in their end. I'm not sure if Kulikov is going to be back next season or if I even want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Selling high!!!! Like i said , i really Kane and and this is not a "i hate this guy, trade him" ..it is a how does my team look for the next 3 years... s 3 more years before we're any good? Again? This rebuild is taking longer than the Parthenon. Eichel will be watching the next Sabres playoff game from a nursing home unless Murray gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 2-9: GMTM ON WGR (22:46) #Sabres GM Tim Murray is coming up next! Always a must listen when he joins the show.GMTM- "To me it's never over until it's over."GMTM- "I'm always looking for the perfect game, and I'll probably be looking for the perfect game until the day I die. It's how I'm wired."GMTM on Kane- "I think he's had a hell of a season. He had the horrific car crash into the boards and bounced back very quickly."GMTM- "When Evander steps on the ice I'm very happy with him. He plays the game hard, he's gonna compete every night, every shift."GMTM- "The off ice stuff, we've worked through that. We continue to work with him and it'll never be forgotten. You learn from mistakes."GMTM- "I'm not pursuing a trade with Kane. I haven't made a call with regards to him to other teams."GMTM- "He's an emotional young guy that has a great desire to win. We like when our fans are emotional. We respect the right of fans to boo"GMTM- "The fans were pissed. I think Jack was pissed and let's face it in life we like proving people wrong."GMTM- "He's got a voice. I hope someday he's got a huge voice here and if 1 time out of 10 he pisses people off. I can live with it."GMTM- "Media not liking it doesn't bother me one bit. If we see that we lost fans down the road b/c of video review we'll take a look at it" Also from GMTM on Kane: "He's the type of guy we need to be competitive every night and to be a playoff team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 more years before we're any good? Again? This rebuild is taking longer than the Parthenon. Eichel will be watching the next Sabres playoff game from a nursing home unless Murray gets fired. The Sabres were a fringe playoff team entering the season. The expectation was that they would be competing for a wildcard spot. That is exactly where they are at. If you expected the team to be beyond that range this year then it is you who are expecting too much. No one is disputing that this is not a complete roster. Murray knows that. The problem I have with your jaundiced viewpoint is that it lacks perspective. Go back two years and compare it to where the team is now. Maybe not for you but this is not just incremental progress, it is a major leap forward with still more to do. It is a tired cliche to say "trust the process". My recommendation to you is to be a tad more patient and "trust the process". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The Pyatt for Kulikov trade was a bad deal. An efficient and dependable player was traded for a more physical but erratic player who has a tendency to neatly put the puck on the opponent's stick in their end. I'm not sure if Kulikov is going to be back next season or if I even want him. I dunno. Pyatt for Kulikov would have been awesome trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The Sabres were a fringe playoff team entering the season. The expectation was that they would be competing for a wildcard spot. That is exactly where they are at. If you expected the team to be beyond that range this year then it is you who are expecting too much. No one is disputing that this is not a complete roster. Murray knows that. The problem I have with your jaundiced viewpoint is that it lacks perspective. Go back two years and compare it to where the team is now. Maybe not for you but this is not just incremental progress, it is a major leap forward with still more to do. It is a tired cliche to say "trust the process". My recommendation to you is to be a tad more patient and "trust the process". This year is this year...disappointing but not totally surprising I suppose. When someone like Plez says we might as well ditch Kane because we need at least 3 more years......that is what i find disturbing. Murray must go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Are the games on in Rochester? If so, what channel? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Who are the Sabres most likely to protect in the expansion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) A sure fire top 4 D is not going to be a cheap player. If a team has that caliber of player under contract for four years why would they pick up a high scoring talent who is under contract for only another year? Then the team will have to deal with a player who is going to be a high cost player for them or have to dispatch him because of the expected cost. My position is you already have a player who is one to the top five on five goal scorers in the league. Even if we get a top four defenseman that is not going to come close to replacing a commodity that is considered more precious, an accomplished goal scorer. There are goal scorers who are basically just snipers. Vanek comes to mind who fits that description. Kane is a well rounded player who does everything. He scores goals, he plays on the power play, he kills penalties, he checks, he is a gritty player. He is a multi-faceted player whose value goes beyond his stats. This offseason the team will be shedding some contracts and be in a favorable position to add another one or two solid to good defensemen to the roster. Guhle will also be added to the unit. My position is our defense situation is not as dire as many are making it out to be. The Pyatt for Kulikov trade was a bad deal. An efficient and dependable player was traded for a more physical but erratic player who has a tendency to neatly put the puck on the opponent's stick in their end. I'm not sure if Kulikov is going to be back next season or if I even want him. Mark Pysyk how soon we've forgotten you. LOL. Edited February 12, 2017 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 @BuffaloSabres Sabres' power play elevates to #1 in the @NHL -- and team sees an opportunity going into tonight: http://bufsabres.co/utQX0i Projected Lineup56 Justin Bailey - 90 Ryan O'Reilly - 21 Kyle Okposo9 Evander Kane - 15 Jack Eichel - 23 Sam Reinhart82 Marcus Foligno - 71 Evan Rodrigues - 12 Brian Gionta26 Matt Moulson - 27 Derek Grant - 63 Tyler Ennis 29 Jake McCabe - 55 Rasmus Ristolainen4 Josh Gorges - 77 Dmitry Kulikov41 Justin Falk - 38 Taylor Fedun 40 Robin Lehner31 Anders Nilsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 This year is this year...disappointing but not totally surprising I suppose. When someone like Plez says we might as well ditch Kane because we need at least 3 more years......that is what i find disturbing. Murray must go. Don't let Plez disturb you. At times he can be a provocateur. Other than that he is a swell fellow. I don't always agree with him but without much doubt he knows his hockey----much better than I do. Murray is a dealer. Any aggressive GM is not going to have all his deals work out. When assessing a high volume actor like he is you have to look at the totality of his work. In general, he has done a good job. The Bills are stuck in the mud. On the other hand the Sabres are on an upward trajectory. Although not completely satisfied I am in general satisfied. Trust the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Don't let Plez disturb you. At times he can be a provocateur. Other than that he is a swell fellow. I don't always agree with him but without much doubt he knows his hockey----much better than I do. Murray is a dealer. Any aggressive GM is not going to have all his deals work out. When assessing a high volume actor like he is you have to look at the totality of his work. In general, he has done a good job. The Bills are stuck in the mud. On the other hand the Sabres are on an upward trajectory. Although not completely satisfied I am in general satisfied. Trust the process. To each his own i guess. To me, aside from drafting Eichel, and on-ice Kane playing well but leaving everyone on eggshells off the ice, nothing has worked out for Murray. Neck tattoo can play very well in an individual game, there is no question, but then he can also blow up and allow in a lot of bunnies. An upward trajectory is a curious term for a team well in the running to be top seed in the lottery again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 @SabresStats #Sabres Multigoal Games (14 total): 1. Kane - 5 (including last night) 2. Eichel - 4 3. ROR - 2 4. Gionta, Moulson & Okposo - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 You know how you get better? Trade away your top goal scorer for some magic beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 Canucks Projected Lineup Daniel Sedin -- Henrik Sedin -- Markus Granlund Alexandre Burrows -- Bo Horvat -- Jannik Hansen Jayson Megna -- Brandon Sutter -- Loui Eriksson Jack Skille -- Michael Chaput -- Reid Boucher Alexander Edler -- Troy Stecher Luca Sbisa -- Christopher Tanev Alex Biega -- Nikita Tryamkin Jacob Markstrom Ryan Miller Scratched: Philip Larsen, Ben Hutton Injured: Derek Dorsett (neck), Erik Gudbranson (wrist), Anton Rodin (knee), Sven Baertschi (concussion) Sabres Projected Lineup Justin Bailey -- Ryan O'Reilly -- Kyle Okposo Evander Kane -- Jack Eichel -- Sam Reinhart Marcus Foligno -- Evan Rodrigues -- Brian Gionta Matt Moulson -- Derek Grant -- Tyler Ennis Jake McCabe -- Rasmus Ristolainen Josh Gorges -- Dmitry Kulikov Justin Falk -- Taylor Fedun Robin Lehner Anders Nilsson Scratched: Nicolas Deslauriers Injured: Cody Franson (foot), Zemgus Girgensons (mid body), Zach Bogosian (ribs), William Carrier (knee), Johan Larsson (wrist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I dunno. Pyatt for Kulikov would have been awesome trade I am el stupido. You know very well that I meant Pysyk for Kulikov. You are punctilious! Mark Pysyk how soon we've forgotten you. LOL. You and GG have a right to mock me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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