YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Sammy was a huge swing for the fences Cyrus was a risky pick Then no first and Darby who I wouldn't call particularly risky I guess His 3rd rounders were pretty safe though i was originally reading it as just the players themselves, not the move as a whole. I saw Sammy as one of the more bust-proof top 5 picks in a while. I see what he was trying to say now. Forgot about Kuandjoie. Edited April 8, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 i was originally reading it as just the players themselves. I saw Sammy as one of the more bust-proof top 5 picks in a while. Forgot about Kuandjoie. Kind of how I feel. Sammy was expensive but not that risky. He was going to be a #1 at his floor. Maybe he wouldn't have been a superstar but they were getting a good player. If it would have been Clowney (as rumored at times) it would have been really risky. Mack and Watkins had high floors and ceilings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Boom or bust to me this year would be Nkemdiche or Jaylon Smith in the 1st, obviously for different reasons. Cardale jones in the 3rd round or later as a project QB doesn't scream boom or bust. I guess lacanfora thinks he could go in the 2nd, as do I, but I do not think the Bills will take a QB that high. I could see a team like Arizona doing that. Jmo. I hate to keep yammering about the article but I also found it odd that he talks about Cardale competing for the starting job in camp to push Tyrod. That's about as far off of the message sent from the team as I can think of. Edited April 8, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ths the charm Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 For a guy that was 3rd string on his team? Looking the part and being the part are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) For a guy that was 3rd string on his team? Looking the part and being the part are two different things.he was 3rd string (as a RS Sophomore) because he wasn't recruited by the current coaching staff and didn't fit the offensive system as well as the other two. There are talented players across college football who are on the bench for that reason after a coaching change. Transferring is an option for some, but not all. Edited April 9, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 No,No,NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 No thanks. He's a bust, guaranteed. Couldn't keep a college starting gig and there are some who think he has potential? Every report suggest his weaknesses are "fails to read defenses" and "locks onto targets" and "poor timing" and "questionable decision-making" and..... it goes on. Welcome to EJ Manual 2.0. A project QB isn't, and it has been proven over and over and over, a guy with a huge arm and physical talents and no brains. All of the above weaknesses are mental issues, not physical. Do you know how ling it would take to fix a guy like this? If you can't even be good enough to start in college with these supposed superior skills, how the hell is this a guy anyone would draft as a QB. Those who poo-poo the wonderlic fail to realize that for QB it's a good proxy for mental capacity, recall, and mental agility/reflexes. It measures what you know but the speed requires you to be sharp and focuses, key attributes of a QB. So I've said it here ad nauseam, a 22 on a wonderlic for a QB is the starting point, no Super Bowl-winning QB has ever had less than a 22 (reportedly) with the exception of Bradshaw who apparently had dyslexia(?). Favre I believe was the 22. So if you want a Super Bowl, I hate to break it to you, the wonderlic score should matter. Can you get into the playoffs with a sub-22, yes. Just can't win it all. Cam Newton and his 21 came close! But look at the SB winners on the list published here (http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html). No Montana or Aikman there unless I missed. One site has Aikman with a 29. Brady 33 Rodgers 35 E. Manning 39 Young 33 Brees 28 P Manning 28 Flacco 27 Roethlisberger 25 Dilfer 22 Favre 22 Jim Kelly (and Marino) 15. So you can have productive teams and runs but I would argue a 15 today is worse than a 15 then, game is more pass oriented and complicated. My point is, if you review the list, there are a ton of super athletes with sub-22s. At the same time, you can argue "Well, lots of brainy QBs sucked too and never won squat." Also true and I'm not suggest drafting one of them guarantees you anything. All I am saying is the only guarantee out there is that drafting a sub-22 QB will never win you a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 'we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain’t come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS' They should draft him for press conferences alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 For those of you hung up on Cardale being a back-up don't worry about it. They run basically a zone read type of offense. JT is Tyrod as a runner while Cardale is more like Luck. He's a good runner but not a great runner. They preferred the great runner. Cardale is a much, much, much better pro prospect than JT. It's apples and oranges. Cardale has MORE physical skills than EJ gases coming out. In addition, he was great with the pressure on. He is extremely raw and may never pan out. He's definitely boom or bust but don't get hung up on his place on the depth charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Interesting to hear that Pegula travelled down to speak privately to Dareus and Hughes in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Here is Rob Quinn's assessment: http://buildingtheherd.com/commentary/cardale-jones-best-fit-bills/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 What does he mean by this?What other boom or bust players has Whaley drafted or signed? Is he referring to Incognito? He makes it sound like a trend. And is he saying the Bills shouldn't draft a QB, because they drafted EJ and he didn't work out? So never draft one again? Incognito Henderson Karlos Darby All had possible off field issues I thought. Manuel Shady (new contract) Watkins (with trade) All seem to be high risk and reward, or at least some risk and some major damage if it doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I would absolutely love this move. Whenever I do my mock drafts on Fan Speak I always seem to end up with him in round 4. He is perfect because of his raw talent to be a developmental guy. Git R done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Please God no. The hype on this guy a year ago was laughable. Let's not go back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Incognito Henderson Karlos Darby All had possible off field issues I thought. Manuel Shady (new contract) Watkins (with trade) All seem to be high risk and reward, or at least some risk and some major damage if it doesn't work out. i don't look at low cost FAs and low round draft picks as boom or bust but I guess he does. Isn't it supposed to be high risk, high reward? Those players were low risk based on what they cost or where they were drafted. I see Shady and Sammy as "moves" that held a degree of risk but the players themselves did not. I'm sure I'm way over analyzing it but it just seemed like a weird comment to me. Nbd., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloPride Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 So Jones is the flavor of the week? Last week it was Prescott and before that it was Christian Hackenberg. Can't wait for next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 So Jones is the flavor of the week? Last week it was Prescott and before that it was Christian Hackenberg. Can't wait for next week.don't forget Kevin Hogan Week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 For those of you hung up on Cardale being a back-up don't worry about it. They run basically a zone read type of offense. JT is Tyrod as a runner while Cardale is more like Luck. He's a good runner but not a great runner. They preferred the great runner. Cardale is a much, much, much better pro prospect than JT. It's apples and oranges. Cardale has MORE physical skills than EJ gases coming out. In addition, he was great with the pressure on. He is extremely raw and may never pan out. He's definitely boom or bust but don't get hung up on his place on the depth charts LMAO. I've seen it all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Not worth the risks. Too many red flags with accuracy, consistency, reading defenses and pocket feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Nothing higher than a 4th, but I don't think there's a chance in hell he pans out. The idea of him being our 2017 starter is an absolute joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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