thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Not sure Burfict is a great one either. Vontaze is one of the biggest athletic outliers in the NFL. At the same size, Reggie is a significantly better athlete. Even with his limitations, Burfict played 1028 defensive snaps in his breakout year (2013). If Burfict can, Reggie can. It is hard to find the right comparison though. Dont'a Hightower was much bigger with a similar athletic profile. This is one case where I think NFL.com has the comparable nailed (at least as far as physical/athletic traits go): EJ Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 This is one case where I think NFL.com has the comparable nailed (at least as far as physical/athletic traits go): EJ Henderson EJ's college career is before my time but I don't hate that comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 EJ's college career is before my time but I don't hate that comparison. Good grief--what are you, 12? Just kidding obviously--yeah, it's decent from a measurables standpoint. I think Ragland is more instinctive and a better tackler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Good grief--what are you, 12? Just kidding obviously--yeah, it's decent from a measurables standpoint. I think Ragland is more instinctive and a better tackler EJ graduated in 2003. I was 14 and still intently watching the 'other football'. Another guy that has Reggie and EJ as athletic similarities on Mockdraftable is Kevin Minter (former LSU, current Cardinal ILB). Dropped down to 237lbs in 2015 and got a starting job. Liked him in college outside of his penchant for holding in coverage. Played 88.5% of snaps last year. Edited April 20, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 EJ graduated in 2003. I was 14 and still intently watching the 'other football'. Another guy that has Reggie and EJ as athletic similarities on Mockdraftable is Kevin Minter (former LSU, current Cardinal ILB). Dropped down to 237lbs in 2015 and got a starting job. Liked him in college outside of his penchant for holding in coverage. Played 88.5% of snaps last year. Minter might be a good comparison as well--I really liked him at LSU and thought he and Daryl Washington were going to be the ILB tandem to model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Minter might be a good comparison as well--I really liked him at LSU and thought he and Daryl Washington were going to be the ILB tandem to model. So you liked the pairing of someone slow and a scumbag junkie? I knew I liked you for a reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 I really want the Bills to draft Noah Spence CBF Spence seems like a head case. IMO watching his interviews, there's something just not right about that guy. Add in the NFL fame, fortune and party lifestyle and it's not a good bet to use a #19 pick on him. In today's NFL you just can't blow your 1st round pick on risky guys. Other than Sapp, it almost always never works out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 This is one case where I think NFL.com has the comparable nailed (at least as far as physical/athletic traits go): EJ Henderson Im for drafting Ragland, just not in the 1st round, especially at 19, this comp is just more reason for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Drafting the Alabama lb would be a terrible move. Two down player and slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Ragland is a decent pick. I'm wonder all the talk about how Ragland has issues covering TE is making his selection slide, which feels similar to Cordy Glenn causing his slide to the second. I've looked at film and he's looked above average in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Philosophy question; if defenses are in nickel around 65% of the time, wouldn't Ragland essentially be a 1-down LB? I saw someone mention it earlier on Twitter and thought I'd raise it. Terminology seems off to call him and his ilk 2-down LBers (if you feel he's that kind of player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Philosophy question; if defenses are in nickel around 65% of the time, wouldn't Ragland essentially be a 1-down LB? I saw someone mention it earlier on Twitter and thought I'd raise it. Terminology seems off to call him and his ilk 2-down LBers (if you feel he's that kind of player). That's essentially what Brandon Spikes was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Philosophy question; if defenses are in nickel around 65% of the time, wouldn't Ragland essentially be a 1-down LB? I saw someone mention it earlier on Twitter and thought I'd raise it. Terminology seems off to call him and his ilk 2-down LBers (if you feel he's that kind of player). Yes. 2-down LBs are just too easily isolated and abused. Especially by teams like NE**** that will prevent your sub packages by going to a fast-paced no huddle. For what we need vs. the teams in our division, I'm not sure Ragland foots the bill the best. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) For the record, I am not coming around to Ragnuts. you are obstinate and hard headed. clearly. Which is fine. But often you call people out for not agreeing with you. Its okay. Really it is. Please dont draft Reggie Ragland CBF Why? I really want the Bills to draft Noah Spence CBF Thats a good reason ! Yes. 2-down LBs are just too easily isolated and abused. Especially by teams like NE**** that will prevent your sub packages by going to a fast-paced no huddle. For what we need vs. the teams in our division, I'm not sure Ragland foots the bill the best. GO BILLS!!! But is he truly a two down LB? The media has hyped this up to seem so. Kid is super instinctive and knows where the plays are going and what the lineman are doing. Smart kid. He gets stuck in a third down? Rush him. Edited April 20, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Ragland only did 13 reps. Hell, I can do 15 reps, and I weigh 70#s less than Reggie. The last thing the Bills need is a weak ass linebacker that is slow and can't cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 you are obstinate and hard headed. clearly. Which is fine. But often you call people out for not agreeing with you. Its okay. Really it is. This is just a case of people trying to force-fill a perceived weakness on the roster and assuming that the value of the draft pick will somehow raise the level of the player. Doesn't work that way, obviously. He is a nice ILB prospect. He's also a one contract player who isn't a lock to even be on the field on the money down even if he plays well. Your first round picks are for franchise building blocks.......guys that have a huge impact on the passing game and get fat contracts that you can only afford so many of. The Bills passed on a lot of really talented ILB in free agency this year.......including more talented players than Reggie Ragnuts......and they were available because the position is not that valuable. T'would be foolish of the Bills to squander a first round pick on Reggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) This is just a case of people trying to force-fill a perceived weakness on the roster and assuming that the value of the draft pick will somehow raise the level of the player. Doesn't work that way, obviously. He is a nice ILB prospect. He's also a one contract player who isn't a lock to even be on the field on the money down even if he plays well. Y...our first round picks are for franchise building blocks....guys that have a huge impact on the passing game and get fat contracts that you can only afford so many of. The Bills passed on a lot of really talented ILB in free agency this year.......including more talented players than Reggie Ragnuts......and they were available because the position is not that valuable. T'would be foolish of the Bills to squander a first round pick on Reggie. Badol you have some good points. Ragland only did 13 reps. Hell, I can do 15 reps, and I weigh 70#s less than Reggie. The last thing the Bills need is a weak ass linebacker that is slow and can't cover done your due diligence Pete? Look again and look deeper. at 19 I do think he and Lee both would be a reach honestly. Sometimes folks take a blurb from me and assume it is my overall perspective. I do feel the need for LBs .When you start looking at 3-4 fits it does become worrisome to find an impact player before a dropoff. Badol is right, i want the Bills to fill a need. A couple of them actually. But i did not say Ragland should be the pick at 19 i just said i would not freak out about it. I think they need to go Dline because the most impactful long term player could be there. Even more so after these trades! Sure i think a bit higher or Reggie than some, and i was not at all on board a couple months ago. I am just saying i can deal with it. much like i can deal with doctson. not my pick but i think they will be very good players and not a one year contract. whatever that meant Edited April 21, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Its seems i have been overly harsh here to Pete. which is never my intent I was just suggesting to take a longer look at Ragland. I bought into to the two down thumper spin for the longest time. A more recent interview and some film presented has me thinking more positively about him. my only point was for more dialogue to educate me. the more opinions i can absorb the better rounded opinion i think i might have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) I think Ragland is a nice player... However I'm not in favor of taking a LB at #19...And I don't think the Bills will be either...For a few reasons... Reason #1 is the loss of Mario Williams and the fantastic depth of 1st Round talent that should be available at #19...Many of whom will fit Rex's Defense better than Mario did anyway...Players like the Alabama DT's, Chris Jones, Vernon Butler, and even Nkemdicke are really nice fits for what Rex wants in a D-Lineman...Like I've said here before, think Wilkerson and Richardson... Reason #2...I just don't think any of these LB's is going to be the BPA at #19...Ragland is a good player...But he's not Luke Kuechly...Lee is on the smallish side...He would be a great situation cover-LB as a Rookie...But I'm looking for more in a 1st Round pick...Especially this year...Jones is more of a 3rd Down Pass Rush specialist-type...Any of these three would be great at #49...But I feel #19 is just too high... Lastly...I think if you look at Rex's history he values D-Line over LB...In his 6 years as the Jets HC the highest Draft pick they used on the LB position was Demario Davis at #77 overall (3rd Rd) in 2012...In that same time the Jets used three 1st round picks, and a 3rd, on D-Linemen...Rex is going to have a voice in the process of building his Defense...And this year the talent that will likely be available at #19 lines up... I'm not sure who the Bills take at #19...I know who I prefer...But we'll see...I do however think it's going to come from this DEEP group of D-linemen...And I think it's going to lean towards the tackles who can line up in any of the 3 D-line positions Rex uses in a high percentage of downs...I think the Bills are going to identify a guy who can play the majority of the snaps along side Dareus and KW...It's a huge need regardless...But I think for what Rex wants to do it's FAR more important than a two down LB... Edited April 21, 2016 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 My real problem with Ragland is they pulled him off the field in that last bowl game. Ragland is gonna face that kind of speed on a game to game basis? It bothers me....other then that? I love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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