IYKYK Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: It’s also scary when you gas peaceful protestors to get a photo op and threaten to needlessly turn the military upon the civilian population. Wrong
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, westside2 said: Wrong He knows it........................he just doesn't care for that "fact" 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, Magox said: mmhmmm Yep, I'm sure if the White House just allowed people to go right up to it, that everything would be kosher. Kumbaya, you name it. And the people's President should ride in a convertible. What a &^%$ing moron. 2 1
reddogblitz Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, B-Man said: The police were not wearing gas masks..................it was NOT tear gas. I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far. However, I do know a little about tear gas. When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them. They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas. We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off. Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth. My eyes were itchy and draining water. I was coughing and could hardly breathe. Then we put the masks back on and went back out side. It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching. I watched the video. People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed. Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields. Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas"). My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different. I call BS. 6 5
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It is, or it isn't. You've been wrong before, pretty consistently. Was I wrong in 2018? Where are you Paul Ryan???
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: It really is a tough issue. I am very interested in American history myself and I have no problems with the existence of anything that honors the memory of Robert E. Lee, as I 'm sure you don't either. It is why people choose to honor him and elevate him that is the issue. That is what the constant struggle is for. Destroying something of historical value to stop the malevolent ways in which they are used is like tearing down windmills to stop the damaging winds. Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: This is the shaming of America. It is nothing more than bullying people who disagree with you into agreeing with you. It is a minority of this country that engages in it, and they rely on the decency of the majority to acquiesce because they are decent people who do not want to be perceived in the manner they are being depicted. It is the very absence of tolerance by those who wrap themselves up in that particular virtue. I wish I could say that’s true, but it’s way bigger than that. My college age niece is physically and visibly DISABLED! Even she’s apologizing for all white people for our so called privilege! Our woke generation has been brainwashed into buying this garbage by an out of control public education system.
bilzfancy Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I don't believe any of this social media stuff. The greatest vehicle for disinformation and mind control than any other invention in human history so far. However, I do know a little about tear gas. When I was in Marine boot camp they had us put gas masks on to learn how to use them. They then took us into a quanset hut where they had deployed tear gas. We could breathe fine. Then they had us take the masks off. Drool and spit started coming out of my mouth. My eyes were itchy and draining water. I was coughing and could hardly breathe. Then we put the masks back on and went back out side. It took 15 minutes for us to get back to where we could breathe normally and our eyes stop itching. I watched the video. People were not running madly away which one would do if really exposed. Instead some were running and some were being bad asses walking backwards with their hands up. One dude even stood there and let the cops push him along with their shields. Again, cops without gas masks walking into the smoke ("tear gas"). My experience with tear gas was waaaaaaaaaay different. I call BS. Went through the same in army basic training, I'll never forget it, mask off say name, rank, serial number then slowly walk out, doubled over trying to breath, snot down to your feet, not a pleasant experience for sure 5 1
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. The Robert E. Lee statue in question was not. 2
billsfan1959 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. I already addressed that in my post previous to the one above. There are distinctions to be made that, for me, rest on the intent of the specific historical statue / monument/ etc . What we don't need is the arbitray destruction of anything based on a mob mentality. There are better avenues to address these things. 2
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: If you know civil war history then you know it really wasn't fought over slavery. If we're to erase anyone who had anything to do with slavery then we'll lose George Washington, Jefferson etc. It didn’t start strictly over slavery, you’re right. And you’re right about Washington and Jefferson. It’s a slippery slope there. But the monuments have to go.
KD in CA Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: Can't really have an honest conversation with people on the left or in this movement, because they begin from a point of dishonesty. It's been hard to find an honest conversation with anyone on the left since Bush v Gore. It's been literally impossible since Trump was elected. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Was I wrong in 2018? Where are you Paul Ryan??? Well, I wasn't wrong on 2018 either. It's a pretty common happenstance in the world of politics, sonny boy. I'll acknowledge the blue wave when it happens. I am 100% convinced that there are enough voters who were outraged by Trump's election who will cast a vote for their own version of a serial sexual abuser, plagarizer, shake down artist, bully, racist and fondler and celebrate the accomplishment. It'll be a disappointment, but I'll laugh my ass off at the stunning display of hypocrisy. Hell, I'm laughing now watching the tired old man campaign. 1
reddogblitz Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Mob violence to rip down statues isn't the way to deal with it. But let's be clear, many of these Confederate statues were erected by Segregationist states during Jim Crow as a symbol of white rule. Placed in the center of town squares and at capital buildings during Segregation, they were symbols of power. White power over black lives. That's the history of many of these statues. FDR was on hand for the dedication and unveiling of the statue or Robert E Lee in Robert E Lee Park in Dallas in 1936 and even made a speech. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2017/09/06/flashback-fdr-unveiled-robert-e-lee-statue-without-controversy-in-1936/ Quote On June 12, 1936, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was on hand to honor the "warriors in the lost cause of the Confederacy" by unveiling the statue of Robert E. Lee in Dallas' Lee Park. The following day, The Dallas Morning News published a recap of the event, detailing FDR's speech and other parts of the gathering. This was before the big switheroo I guess. 2
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 Don't remind them that Frederick Douglas was a Republican.................that statue may "have to go" PS: notice that they put little blue x's on the floor, so our 'leaders' knew where to stand...........? 2 3
KD in CA Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: I have a couple progressive friends that I talk to honestly and openly on the regular. We love each other, but hate each other's politics, and that's OK. Same here....until a few years ago. Actually there's still one buddy I can talk to honestly, but the rest have all gone off the deep end. And I'm far from right wing....pretty much liberal on most/all social issues but that's not good enough for today's mob. 7
billsfan1959 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magox said: Thought Control #Orwellian WTF? 3
bdutton Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: Alternative: How about instead of defunding the police, we just stop patrolling the cities? Cordon them off and leave them to themselves. Then send in Snake Plissken to rescue the President. 3 1
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