billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Nelius said: I'm saying it's a fascist force when they clearly stop caring about protecting the people and are seemingly more interested in protecting a right wing system. Good thing there is a strong move in this country to not look at an entire group in a harmful, sterotypical way that isn't based in fact. Oh, wait... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Nelius said: Not sure if you're accusing me, or people in general of virtue signaling, but this is actually the number one trending story on Twitter right now. I expect this to be a big deal tomorrow. Of course it is. Tell me, how many of the trending stories did you follow on twitter of the Officers beaten, stabbed, shot, injured or killed in the last 6 days? I guess, in your defense, it is hard to follow trending stories that don't exist because they don't support some narrative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: The last paragraph is victim blaming. Sorry but it is. The citizen probably shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t justify what happened. (Audio may tell a different tale, but I highly doubt it since the citizen was left in place after falling. A threat would have been neutralized there.) 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Problem is that the use of force has to be justified. I just don’t see it there. If the guy was threatening officers he should have been dealt with immediately after he fell to resolve the threat. 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Marty Lyons retired a long time ago! The medics got there pretty quickly. I don’t blame them for not breaking the line to treat. But if he was an aggressor they should have neutralized him with cuffs or restraint. Not a good look for the BPD. As far as if it was justified, what I saw was the guy making a beeline for an advancing line of police in crowd control mode, which shows questionable judgement and is sure to put the officers even more on edge in an already tense situation, but the officers don’t put hands on him until he reaches out toward the belt/holster area on one of them. If you make a move like that, officers don’t have the luxury of thinking “he’s probably not going for my gun” and not acting because being wrong can be deadly, no matter the age or physical condition of the person in question. They push him away and he’s unable to keep his balance. The result is sickening to watch, but If he stayed on his feet or even fell differently, there would be no conversation about if the level of force used here was justified. I don’t understand your point about neutralizing him after he fell. Threats don’t get much more neutralized than being unconscious. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: As far as if it was justified, what I saw was the guy making a beeline for an advancing line of police in crowd control mode, which shows questionable judgement and is sure to put the officers even more on edge in an already tense situation, but the officers don’t put hands on him until he reaches out toward the belt/holster area on one of them. If you make a move like that, officers don’t have the luxury of thinking “he’s probably not going for my gun” and not acting because being wrong can be deadly, no matter the age or physical condition of the person in question. They push him away and he’s unable to keep his balance. The result is sickening to watch, but If he stayed on his feet or even fell differently, there would be no conversation about if the level of force used here was justified. I don’t understand your point about neutralizing him after he fell. Threats don’t get much more neutralized than being unconscious. They didn't know he was unconscious immediately. If he was such a threat, he should have been zip tied. For what it's worth, it looks like he was trying to return a helmet to the BPD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: it looks like he was trying to return a helmet to the BPD. This seems pretty obvious. Sure hope that cops cam was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 This is a byproduct of cancel culture by all the PC/Woke college students some years back that would boot conservatives or for that matter any dissenting views from the universities. Now they have grown up and some have become journalists. I’ve never been accused of being an alarmist but this toxic growing element of society must be rooted out. This poses significant risks and those risks are beginning to bear fruit. Double think #Orwellian 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: They didn't know he was unconscious immediately. If he was such a threat, he should have been zip tied. For what it's worth, it looks like he was trying to return a helmet to the BPD. They knew he was unconscious by the time they had a chance to cuff him. The first time I watched it I was more concerned that no one stopped to render aid than that they didn’t slap a pair of flex cuffs on a guy who was out cold. However, it’s been said that the medical response was better than it appeared in the video, and those guys have access to mechanical restraint devices as well if needed. I’m certainly not suggesting the guy had any ill intent, but he was nevertheless exhibiting certain behavioral cues that cops can’t ignore, for their own safety. I will say that I watched it again and I did not see the object (phone?) in the hand that he reached out with the first time I saw it. That certainly makes it seem less likely he was making a play for the officer’s gun, but even still in the moment that’s not a risk the officers can take. Edited June 5, 2020 by Chandemonium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 One thing is certain from this chaos. There will be quite the escape from the cities when it's over. Rural economies will benefit the most. Every cloud has a silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 10 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Let me get this straight. The refined political nose of Buffalo Timmy, cognizant of the competing and largely unchecked crises in this country, believes that Trump, who lost the popular election in 2016, nit only will win the popular vote in 2020 but will take more than 50% of that vote. You have consumed way too much trump kool aid, sir. I clearly stated "non city" because city people will go 90% to Biden. So you are also showing your lack of reading comprehension, but keep telling me how you feel. But to go back to a direct questions-what did he say Alt right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The second video shows the two national guard guys immediately helped the man. The two cops were suspended. Why the one cop pushed the other cop trying to bend down to help away? Awful. 12 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: They knew he was unconscious by the time they had a chance to cuff him. The first time I watched it I was more concerned that no one stopped to render aid than that they didn’t slap a pair of flex cuffs on a guy who was out cold. However, it’s been said that the medical response was better than it appeared in the video, and those guys have access to mechanical restraint devices as well if needed. I’m certainly not suggesting the guy had any ill intent, but he was nevertheless exhibiting certain behavioral cues that cops can’t ignore, for their own safety. I will say that I watched it again and I did not see the object (phone?) in the hand that he reached out with the first time I saw it. That certainly makes it seem less likely he was making a play for the officer’s gun, but even still in the moment that’s not a risk the officers can take. It is the second video where you can see the man approach the line, and then when he is down the two national guard people at the end attend to him immediately. Do you know if the body cameras have sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: This seems pretty obvious. Sure hope that cops cam was on. Not obvious at all. Personally think he was using the helmet as a prop to get to the officers. You can clearly see he approaches the officers and instead of handing them the helmet, he tells the one officer to stop moving with the hand that had his cell phone. This guy is far from innocent. I struggle to even say the officers used a violent force. They barely touched the guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Rand Paul blocks an anti lynching law. What a creep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Rand Paul blocks an anti lynching law. What a creep Twitter will say another clue in the mystery of why Rand Paul's neighbor kicked the crap out of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 hours ago, BillStime said: Trump to police: 'Please don't be too nice' to suspects. Thanks TRUMP - rough enough for you SOB? You Trumpholes own this. You enabled this. Are you proud? Are we REALLY better off today than four years ago? FU Your logic is fun- events caused by liberals in liberal cities in liberal states is caused by conservative people who live 1000 miles away. When you blame people for your life sucking is it caused by all the people who just did not stick around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Do you know if the body cameras have sound? I do not. I have a background in recognizing and assessing risk behaviors so my analysis is from that perspective, but I’m a layperson when it comes to the law enforcement world. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: They knew he was unconscious by the time they had a chance to cuff him. The first time I watched it I was more concerned that no one stopped to render aid than that they didn’t slap a pair of flex cuffs on a guy who was out cold. However, it’s been said that the medical response was better than it appeared in the video, and those guys have access to mechanical restraint devices as well if needed. I’m certainly not suggesting the guy had any ill intent, but he was nevertheless exhibiting certain behavioral cues that cops can’t ignore, for their own safety. I will say that I watched it again and I did not see the object (phone?) in the hand that he reached out with the first time I saw it. That certainly makes it seem less likely he was making a play for the officer’s gun, but even still in the moment that’s not a risk the officers can take. Phone in the right hand, what appeared to be a police helmet in the left hand. I rewatched after your post and I didn't see anything that indicated an "reach" toward an officer's service weapon. That said, I appreciate that I watched it from a distance and that there is a remote possibility that the officer in question might have seen the movement only out of the corner of his eye and reacted accordingly. Also, I'm not concerned about not putting the flex cuffs on the guy. The point is that if he actually presented a threat to officer safety you'd think the police would have neutralized that threat instead of stepping past him. That part doesn't wash with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Hedge said: Sharia law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Reality Check said: One thing is certain from this chaos. There will be quite the escape from the cities when it's over. Rural economies will benefit the most. Every cloud has a silver lining. good, keep the the likes of you from out nice cities? Listen, i am an urban dude, love the city..so much so my "beach house" is a condo in DC. Trying to downsize here in the suburbs of West End of Richmond, and move into the city right close to the Lee monument( well the pedastal at least) ...i can tall ya this, home prices aint budged there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 hours ago, BillStime said: More Fox News hypocrisy... and you Trump lovers eat it up and can’t think for yourself why the US is the way it is today. Thanks Trump! Thanks Trump voters! No one voted for her stupid ass either. She-Nazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 This is a terrible thread with a lot of rioter-victim information: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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