C.Biscuit97 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Honestly, I don't think it has anything to do with his age, or diminishing skills..I think it was all attitude with Mario last season. I remember re-watching a game, keying in, speicifically on him...I think it was the Redskins game...he just was just playing very half-heartedly, and his body language, as the defense was setting up for their next snap was showing utter disgust and frustration... It seemed, especially the first half of the season, other defensive players were kind of Mario's side in this battle of wills...but as the season wore on, more and more started to "buy in", leaving Mario as the only one still struggling to adapt to the changes. It happens in all types of jobs, when there are changes...football players are no different. It sounds as though, now that the season is over, Mario has had a little time to reflect...maybe he now realizes his attitude was part of his problem, and also, that he isn't going to make near the money he was slated to make in Buffalo, anywhere else. Personally, if the numbers can be worked out, I want him back. They are going to have to pay somebody to play that position...Mario is way too good of a ball player to give up on that easily... particularly if he is willing to accept a reasonable contract. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Well, we gave up 500 yards to them this year. Yeah, because Brady's 346 yard performance the one time NE tried against BUF in 2014, that was a 'dominant' performance from that defense. Edited February 25, 2016 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Well, we gave up 500 yards to them this year. And the 2nd game in NE on Monday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 And the 2nd game in NE on Monday night? You're one of my favorite posters here. I'm not going to go back and forth debating every game. If you honestly believe we weren't a much worse defense than we were in 2014, more power to you. I'm hoping for the best but losing an elite talent for a coach who had a winning season in 5 years seems like an awful trade. Yeah, because Brady's 346 yard performance the one time NE tried against BUF in 2014, that was a 'dominant' performance from that defense. You're like one of those old coaches who becomes a broadcaster and can never criticize someone in your fraternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I just hope they can find a way to keep Mario on board with a better cap number. Saves the dead money, keeps a guy here who can really make a huge impact for us, and creates one less need. If everyone can swallow their pride a bit and make it work everyone wins in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You're one of my favorite posters here. I'm not going to go back and forth debating every game. If you honestly believe we weren't a much worse defense than we were in 2014, more power to you. I'm hoping for the best but losing an elite talent for a coach who had a winning season in 5 years seems like an awful trade. You're like one of those old coaches who becomes a broadcaster and can never criticize someone in your fraternity. I already stipulated that they were worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Honestly, I don't think it has anything to do with his age, or diminishing skills..I think it was all attitude with Mario last season. I remember re-watching a game, keying in, speicifically on him...I think it was the Redskins game...he just was just playing very half-heartedly, and his body language, as the defense was setting up for their next snap was showing utter disgust and frustration... It seemed, especially the first half of the season, other defensive players were kind of Mario's side in this battle of wills...but as the season wore on, more and more started to "buy in", leaving Mario as the only one still struggling to adapt to the changes. It happens in all types of jobs, when there are changes...football players are no different. It sounds as though, now that the season is over, Mario has had a little time to reflect...maybe he now realizes his attitude was part of his problem, and also, that he isn't going to make near the money he was slated to make in Buffalo, anywhere else. Personally, if the numbers can be worked out, I want him back. They are going to have to pay somebody to play that position...Mario is way too good of a ball player to give up on that easily... particularly if he is willing to accept a reasonable contract. I respect your point of view but his performance last year was scary bad. As you say, "maybe he now realizes..." Then again, maybe not. Every contract is a gamble but how big a gamble are we willing to make on a guy who played poorly last year essentially by choice? We currently have no cap money for FAs and draft picks. Under these circumstances, do we really want to commit millions to a maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I respect your point of view but his performance last year was scary bad. As you say, "maybe he now realizes..." Then again, maybe not. Every contract is a gamble but how big a gamble are we willing to make on a guy who played poorly last year essentially by choice? We currently have no cap money for FAs and draft picks. Under these circumstances, do we really want to commit millions to a maybe? He led us in sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Can he be effective in rex's system? if he takes a paycut down to 12 mil and save us 8 mil which we use towards glenn along with the clay restructure. What becomes our big need in the draft? Now if he restructures what does his dead cap become next season if we cut him then? Or could we do something like a 1 year extension at 5 mil and his new deal becomes 3 years 34 mil which is similar to what peppers and ware got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You're like one of those old coaches who becomes a broadcaster and can never criticize someone in your fraternity. Well, now that you've made it about me, I'll trust you concede whatever point it was you were trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Entertain the idea all you want, but they will not have Mario back. He cannot be trusted to perform his role with 100% effort on every play. Beyond that, they need the cap space to take care of other priorities namely Glenn and Incognito. Good Luck with your next team Mario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Entertain the idea all you want, but they will not have Mario back. He cannot be trusted to perform his role with 100% effort on every play. Beyond that, they need the cap space to take care of other priorities namely Glenn and Incognito. Good Luck with your next team Mario. I agree with all of this except the insinuation in your second sentence that Mario's effort is the root cause. I'm not saying he handled things perfectly, but the root cause was a coach coming in saying he would keep things the same and then changing them completely to a system which failed horribly. Mario should have kept playing hard despite the inevitable failure of the Rex defense. 100%. But doesn't it show a lack of effort on Rex's part that he stuck to a system that was clearly failing when it would have been viable to go back to something that had worked? Did Rex try hard enough? Many think Mario's effort was the cause of our downfall. I think it was a symptom. Mario was at fault for the individual symptom. This symptom will be gone in 2016 but the disease will still be here. I agree with the last two sentences in your post wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I agree with all of this except the insinuation in your second sentence that Mario's effort is the root cause. I'm not saying he handled things perfectly, but the root cause was a coach coming in saying he would keep things the same and then changing them completely to a system which failed horribly. Mario should have kept playing hard despite the inevitable failure of the Rex defense. 100%. But doesn't it show a lack of effort on Rex's part that he stuck to a system that was clearly failing when it would have been viable to go back to something that had worked? Did Rex try hard enough? Many think Mario's effort was the cause of our downfall. I think it was a symptom. Mario was at fault for the individual symptom. This symptom will be gone in 2016 but the disease will still be here. I agree with the last two sentences in your post wholeheartedly. I don't share your insistence that Rex's comments to the media left him beholden to do...anything...from a strategic standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Probably saying this so the Bills look like the bad guys when they cut him CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Probably saying this so the Bills look like the bad guys when they cut him CBF YEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Probably saying this so the Bills look like the bad guys when they cut him CBF Too late 'cause....Film don't lie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I don't share your insistence that Rex's comments to the media left him beholden to do...anything...from a strategic standpoint. Fair enough. Of course he was probably pretty sure that the media would report the comments to the fans....another group to which he needn't be beholden. Even they they ultimately pay him and live and die with the team, he does not owe them anything. Personally I find it odd to think he would lie for the sake of lying. Occum's Shaver would seem to point out that he was incapable from either an ego point of view or a brainpower point of view, to adjust. Thus we went from 1st to 31st. Even if Rex had come right out with the truth and said he'd be putting in his system, wouldn't it still show a lack of effort on his part to stick with his system while its failure trashed our season and eroded the desire of the defense's top player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) We should ask that question of Rex too. Found us a QB worth a hoot finally. and cheap too. ? Handed the Offense to Roman to run ? Edited February 25, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 hey when there's a chance you're going to be a free agent because you had a bad year you need to put a spin on it. blame the scheme, blame teammates, put a good look on it, make sure you tell the fans you want to be around. that way he doesn't leave the team looking like a guy who wasn't motivated to preform. even though his teammates have said so. also he's not going to get the money he got last time. it makes more sense for him to restructure. that way he can get more of that big remaining contract at least in a bonus. i do think that no matter what team he's on next year he's going to have a good year. because he will be motivated to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 YEP Are you talking defense or offense here? Here's what I'm trying to say, in an example. Let's say the Bills game log looks like this: Bills offense gets ball at 20 yardline 1st and 10 - EJ Manuel incomplete pass 2nd and 10 - EJ Manuel incomplete pass 3rd and 10 - EJ Manuel incomplete pass 4th and 10 - Punt to 20 Opponent gets ball at 20 yard line Either goes 3 and out or punts eventually The Bills Defense would get a point for the above scenario. Every drive, every game. If the Bills offense gets a first down, the drive after is discounted. If the opposing team scores a TD, no points. I don't know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that if the Bills offense goes 3 and out, and then the Bills defense is out there for 9 minutes, and then the Bills offense goes 3 and out again, the defense shouldn't be penalized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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