MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Plan for 2016: Whaley said perhaps one D splash signing - Please be Mo WIlkerson, perfect fit. Plus one Mid-range - I like Sanu - big, strong possession peceiver with great RAC ability and bonus of throwing ability , but Marvin Jones if you prefer speed to take top off defense. Both are underrated and should trade as mid-range FA's, and will allow us a number 2 for Sammy without breaking bank or compromising draft. Very happy with Sammy, Sanu/Jones, Woods going into next year. Draft: Rounds 1-3 Best available with focus on Tackle, LBs (that can run)and Safety. We are not far off. To execute the foregoing: Cut Mario (swap out for WIlkerson); Restructure Clay -- deal was meant for it; Cut McKelvin, Urbik, Carpenter, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Harvin, Cut or restructure (only if very favorable) - Kyle. Work to lock up: Cordy, Incognito and Gilmore (nothing left to prove, do it now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I dont know if WIlkerson is gonna be doable but I REALLY like Sanu....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Don't see Wilkerson happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 i do not want to waste more money on the DL for ryan to piss away. sanu or jones i am all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 That's asking for too much. Not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The TSW capologists are twitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I feel like Sanu really fits our offense to....big physical blocker type and he can catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 In 45+ years of watching the Bills, few coaches frustrated me more than Ryan this year. Having said that, as a Buffalo guy stuck living in New York and watching his Jet teams closely, I do believe he can coach up a defense. If he has two strong corners, his scheme will work (it failed when Jets dumped Revis and Cromartie and left Rex with a bunch of Ron Brooks equivalents, or lesser) . Lock up Gilmore and we have the CBs we need for years. I think it is easy to underestimate what a destructive force it is when a vet star like Mario does not buy-in. Could ruin guys like Dareus or Hughes. Mo Wilkerson is the opposite, ultimate locker-room and team guy. I almost feel "whatever it takes" - get him. Guys like Bradham will not make or break you, but Mo could. If we lose some guys we'd like to keep like Nigel etc to get Big Mo, so what (IMHO). Seems we desperately need a No. 2 receiver, and I think Sanu or Jones could be perfect fit and are undervalued because so much talent in Cinci: Not enough balls for AJ Green, Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Bernard, Hill etc. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Having gone to Rutgers, Sanu on the Bills would be a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Having gone to Rutgers, Sanu on the Bills would be a dream. you have a good HC coming in. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 you have a good HC coming in. IMO I think so too. Ash brings instant credibility to the coaching side of things. Like always, however, it will come down to how well Rutgers can recruit from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 The heck with the capologists. Offense is close, we need a tackle and a number 2. On the D, we have some great pieces but are very flawed. We need to look at the D as a blank slate after a few guys -- Dareus, Hughes, Gilmore and Darby are set. That is it. None of the other seven are players that will make or break us. Bradham, Brown, Kyle Williams, Graham, Aaron (love him, because of injury I say this), McKelvin, Lawson and on and on - keep what you can, but all replaceable. None make the difference needed to get us where we need to go. Wilkerson maximizes the investment in Dareus and Hughes -- the opposite of pissing it away. Team guy that will lead them. Can and should continue to be the core of the D. Back 7 looked too damn slow across the board after Darby and Gilmore. Zero linebacker pursuit - anything in the flat goes for 20. Need to retool LBs and add a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I think so too. Ash brings instant credibility to the coaching side of things. Like always, however, it will come down to how well Rutgers can recruit from within.it may take a couple years to build up the recruits but I think Rutgers will be back to where it was under Schiano. Crazy that Schiano took Ash's job!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Wilkerson - get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 it may take a couple years to build up the recruits but I think Rutgers will be back to where it was under Schiano. Crazy that Schiano took Ash's job!! Lol I know! I always felt Schiano should've gotten another shot in the NFL as a D Coordinator. He may not have been ready for the HC level at the NFL but I could've seen him having success strictly as a coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 After the year he has just had Marvin Jones will be resigned by the Bengals, who unlike us have lots of space. I do agree he would be the ideal # 2 for us. Sanu has expressed some disatisfaction at being underutilized in Cinci's O and given what all else they have on the roster thats not going to change. So he could be a good target for us that would not break the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 i do not want to waste more money on the DL for ryan to piss away. sanu or jones i am all about. Have you seen the disruption Wilkerson causes on the line? He is an absolute monster. Kyle williams won't be an ideal fit as a defensive end but I doubt he will do worse than Mario did this year. I'm all in if we can get Wilkerson. If it were to happen, we can draft a defensive end and just rotate Kyle and Muhammad and Dareus so they stay fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Mohamed is the most common name in the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Cinci does not have cap space when measured against the talent they need to sign. But back to Wilkerson: You don't blow the cap by signing guys that earn their contract. You don't blow the cap by signing guys that are outcome determinative with their play. You blow it buy signing guys like Byrd. You blow it by giving it to questionable characters like Suh, or malcontents like Mario. In my view, Wilkerson is one of the lowest risk in all of the NFL not to earn what he is paid. He is an overwhelming force on the field, and a tremendous leader by example which our group of knuckleheads sorely lack. He would keep his foot in Dareus and keep Hughes in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Have you seen the disruption Wilkerson causes on the line? He is an absolute monster. Kyle williams won't be an ideal fit as a defensive end but I doubt he will do worse than Mario did this year. I'm all in if we can get Wilkerson. If it were to happen, we can draft a defensive end and just rotate Kyle and Muhammad and Dareus so they stay fresh. yep, reminds me of what dareus and mario did in 2014. reminds me of how hughes could get to the qb. yep. without linebackers in rex's scheme the dl doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Wilkerson would be a dream. sign him, draft a WR or OL at 19 for the offensive side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Absolutely. And I think we can get a WR in FA to be #2. Gotta get a right tackle before Tyrod is killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Even as currently calculated I think Cinci has over 35 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Jets aren't letting Mo go. But Harrison could be had and will be a better fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Yup - AJ Green plus Whitworth = ? Friends in CInci think they are strapped. Agree with the post on linebackers -- need 'em bad. But the front is much more difficult -- 300lb guys that can set the edge and rush about second hardest thing to find after QBs (maybe a stud wideout just as hard -- love Whaley's trade for Sammy, never understood they hate for that). Linebackers can be found, not saying it is easy. But Wilkerson + Dareis + Hughes, all in their prime, is the foundation that will let the linebackers shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Tried to paste in Cinci article on their cap situation, but couldn't. They have a ton of talent they need to sign or let go. Green took a huge amount of money, and they only extended Whitworth through 2016 (kind of like Gilmore). I think they have their own pressures -- Adam Jones did himself no favors! No longer up to Jets whether they let Mo go. Fans are furious they did not get it done before this year, now he hits the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Tried to paste in Cinci article on their cap situation, but couldn't. They have a ton of talent they need to sign or let go. Green took a huge amount of money, and they only extended Whitworth through 2016 (kind of like Gilmore). I think they have their own pressures -- Adam Jones did himself no favors! No longer up to Jets whether they let Mo go. Fans are furious they did not get it done before this year, now he hits the market. Trust me. They have plenty of room to ink M. Jones, and they will. We cant afford to compete for him. Sanu on the other hand should be a value target for Whaley and the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Although I guess they do have exclusive rights until when - March? But being this close, Mo should test the market -- and Jets have much tied to WIlliams, Richardson, Harrison,. We agree on Sanu. I admit, neither of us really know how much cap pressure Bengals feel, and it all depends on how much they like their own guys. They have money, and need to sign a ton of talent. If they let some walk agree they have plenty of money for Jones. My point really was though - unlikely to pay market for both Sanu and Jones and I don't think we disagree on that. Mo + Sanu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 yep, reminds me of what dareus and mario did in 2014. reminds me of how hughes could get to the qb. yep. without linebackers in rex's scheme the dl doesn't matter. I'm with you on that one. Linebacker is a must. But having Wilkerson is a no brainer imo. But like I said, I agree that we need a linebacker. It's a very weird year since the defense regressed. We need to add personnel that fits Rex's scheme so the draft and free agency is going to be defense heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 We have a good start. If they add some pieces . . . . Where is the guys that always posts: 19-0 Baby! Love that - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 OR. We can not spend the big bucks and just nail the draft. No more over priced free agents please. Build through the draft like the Steelers, Seahawks and Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Wilkerson will not be overpriced, which is not to say he won't be expensive. Only over-priced if the under-perform their contract. Very little risk of that with Mo. You can build primarily through the draft and still add pieces through free agency. Which is more likely to be over-priced, a "re-sign" of Bradham, Mario, Glenn, Incognito or Mo Wilkerson? Of those five, I think Wilkerson has the lowest risk of being over-priced. He is an unusual talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Mo would be a dream, but no way the Jets just let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Jets really don't want to let Mo go, I agree. But they have even more than we do tied up in line. What was Leonard Williams, like 4th overall pick or so? Plus Sheldon Richardson, plus Harrison. They probably can't keep them all, which is likely why they did not tie-up Wilkerson before 2015. They have exclusive rights until March? If I was Mo I would make them pay up for making me wait and if they did not blow me away - why not test the market? Broken leg could help us a little there. I remember Mo coming out in the press here in support of Rex pretty strongly a couple of years ago. I wonder what their relationship is? Not impossible -- Plus the Jets are stupid - never under-estimate that! For example, they are going to pay to try to keep Fitz. More than $4.5 million or so and they blew it, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Much has been written in New York press about having to choose between Wilkerson and Richardson. Harrison needs a new contract and Williams played well. Free agent priorities include Ivory and Fitzpatrick. Reportedly, Jets very tight against the cap and Wilkerson has a broken leg. Can't say it is impossible. Personally 10/10 I take Wilkerson over Richardson, but Jets seem to be leaning the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Question: Perhaps someone could help me with this, tell me if I am wrong. As I look at it, Bills don't have big cap problems. From what I have read in the past plus looking at Sportrac, it seems we have over $30 million in cap space available with expected cuts and restructurings before any increase. I think we have $18+ million from cutting Mario/expected Clay restructuring (we all remember the "blow-up the Dolphins" frontloading); and Another $12 or so among cut/restructurings with Kyle Williams, Leodis, Carpenter, Corey Graham, Urbik and Dixon. I don't think any of those are critical pieces - love Kyle but he does not fit this system, can't see him as an end and don't think he can hold the nose. The rest are not core pieces. And this assumes Aaron Williams is retained. Pay Wilkerson $14, and you still have plenty for Cordy and Richie. Is this not in line with fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Plan for 2016: Whaley said perhaps one D splash signing - Please be Mo WIlkerson, perfect fit. Plus one Mid-range - I like Sanu - big, strong possession peceiver with great RAC ability and bonus of throwing ability , but Marvin Jones if you prefer speed to take top off defense. Both are underrated and should trade as mid-range FA's, and will allow us a number 2 for Sammy without breaking bank or compromising draft. Very happy with Sammy, Sanu/Jones, Woods going into next year. Draft: Rounds 1-3 Best available with focus on Tackle, LBs (that can run)and Safety. We are not far off. To execute the foregoing: Cut Mario (swap out for WIlkerson); Restructure Clay -- deal was meant for it; Cut McKelvin, Urbik, Carpenter, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Harvin, Cut or restructure (only if very favorable) - Kyle. Work to lock up: Cordy, Incognito and Gilmore (nothing left to prove, do it now). Love the cinci WR idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The problem isn't our DLine it's the scheme there playing. It's vanilla as can be. No Stunts , No spacing, the blitzes are horribly conservative and seems like they've been figured out. The talent is definitely there even without Mario. Watching these playoff games I learned 3 Things #1 - The need for a team to be disciplined and professional #2- The need for true Safeties not corners playing safety. #3- The need to have a balance of pass rushing calls meaning sending Stunts, Blitzes and proper spacing at the right times depending on down and distance. These 3 things the Bills lack by a wide margin I'm hoping there watching and taking notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Agree with every one of those. Do those things and add Mo Wilkerson to Dareus and Hughes, with Darby and Gilmore on the edges, and we have the core in place for many years. Build the linebacker and safety talent up through the draft. I think we miss the safety that signed with Tennessee (what the hell was his name) more than I thought we would - he was big enough to cover tight ends, and very smart/coach on the field guy. Not saying he would have made the difference, but instead we have Duke Williams, porn star chaser, and other meatheads. All the guys other than Hughes that take dumb over-exuberance penalties have to go -- Brooks, Duke, Boobie. Bye. We have to get a smarter roster, as well as a more talented one (this is two your points 1 & 2). But I think we need a talent infusion too. MO, MO, MO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Wilkerson would be a dream. sign him, draft a WR or OL at 19 for the offensive side. I wish for the Wilkerson. broken leg and all. Draft wr LB S OT wowee. but i fear he is out of Bills cap space? We have a good start. If they add some pieces . . . . Where is the guys that always posts: 19-0 Baby! Love that - The Senator. his spirit is Always here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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