machine gun kelly Posted April 12, 2016 Posted April 12, 2016 Every time i think about Robert Nkemdiche, or Spence at 19, I'm going to watch the Manziel recent video, and read about Gordon failing again recently his drug test. That's enough for me never to gamble on a 1st, or even maybe a 2nd round pick. The risk reward is too high when there are so many other more reliable players you don't have to worry they will fall out of hotel rooms drunk, or dropping ex.
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2016 Posted April 12, 2016 On 4/12/2016 at 11:19 PM, machine gun kelly said: Every time i think about Robert Nkemdiche, or Spence at 19, I'm going to watch the Manziel recent video, and read about Gordon failing again recently his drug test. That's enough for me never to gamble on a 1st, or even maybe a 2nd round pick. The risk reward is too high when there are so many other more reliable players you don't have to worry they will fall out of hotel rooms drunk, or dropping ex. i have a feeling Spence won't go in the first. Unless someone trades back up from the 2nd into the bottom of the first to get him and he isn't their first pick. Just a hunch.
KOKBILLS Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 On 4/12/2016 at 11:36 PM, YoloinOhio said: i have a feeling Spence won't go in the first. Unless someone trades back up from the 2nd into the bottom of the first to get him and he isn't their first pick. Just a hunch. Agreed... And I think Nkemdiche may see the same thing happen...In another year they may get pushed up a bit...But if you really need or want D-line this year there are other very good options that will likely be available in the 1st...
YoloinOhio Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) On 4/13/2016 at 2:38 AM, KOKBILLS said: Agreed... And I think Nkemdiche may see the same thing happen...In another year they may get pushed up a bit...But if you really need or want D-line this year there are other very good options that will likely be available in the 1st... right, wouldn't be surprised at all to see them both go top half of second. I think teams will be open to taking them but just don't think anyone wants them to be their "face of the 2016 draft" as the 1st round picks are usually much celebrated and paraded around by each team. I think with Nkemdiche it's an image/risk issue (he's a lot like Randy Gregory from last year) and with spence it's a trust issue. Edited April 13, 2016 by YoloinOhio
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 @PFF Purely from an on-field perspective, Ole Miss DT Robert Nkemdiche is a risky first-round pick. Here's why: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/13/draft-why-robert-nkemdiche-ranks-among-buyer-beware-d-line-prospects/ 1. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss 2. Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson 3. A’Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 @nfldraftscout Good Chris Jones is a top 15 player. Bad Chris Jones is a third-rounder. NFL teams will bet on the higher upside.
3rdand12 Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 On 4/12/2016 at 11:19 PM, machine gun kelly said: Every time i think about Robert Nkemdiche, or Spence at 19, I'm going to watch the Manziel recent video, and read about Gordon failing again recently his drug test. That's enough for me never to gamble on a 1st, or even maybe a 2nd round pick. The risk reward is too high when there are so many other more reliable players you don't have to worry they will fall out of hotel rooms drunk, or dropping ex. agreed 110% Spence in the second might give Whaley pause though. On 4/13/2016 at 2:38 AM, KOKBILLS said: Agreed... And I think Nkemdiche may see the same thing happen...In another year they may get pushed up a bit...But if you really need or want D-line this year there are other very good options that will likely be available in the 1st... I think that's a fair assessment KOK. On 4/13/2016 at 2:33 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: @PFF Purely from an on-field perspective, Ole Miss DT Robert Nkemdiche is a risky first-round pick. Here's why: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/13/draft-why-robert-nkemdiche-ranks-among-buyer-beware-d-line-prospects/ 1. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss 2. Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson 3. A’Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama interesting take on those 3. I wonder what folks here think would the best of them for the Bills. I might pick Dodd if i had to pick one of the 3
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 @RyanTalbotBills Vernon Butler made his pre-draft visit with the Bills on Thursday. A legit option at pick 19 http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1660833-vernon-butler-makes-pre-draft-visit
ALF Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 V. Butler NFL COMPARISON Muhammad Wilkerson http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/vernon-butler?id=2555243
3rdand12 Posted April 14, 2016 Posted April 14, 2016 Butler would be a very nice score in my opinion.
Blokestradamus Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/14/2016 at 7:26 PM, ALF said: V. Butler NFL COMPARISON Muhammad Wilkerson http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/vernon-butler?id=2555243 That comparison is doing the guy no favours. He's not even close to being like Mo. Vernon is a base NT for the Bills with little pass rush ability. Take elements of his technique and put that with Chris Jones' athletic profile and maybe you come closer. You want to try and mould the next Wilkerson, take Jones instead. You can teach technique.
thebandit27 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 9:08 AM, Blokestradamus said: That comparison is doing the guy no favours. He's not even close to being like Mo. Vernon is a base NT for the Bills with little pass rush ability. Take elements of his technique and put that with Chris Jones' athletic profile and maybe you come closer. You want to try and mould the next Wilkerson, take Jones instead. You can teach technique. Agree re Jones being closer to Wilkerson As to Butler, I think Jonathan Hankins is the better comparison
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 @rapsheet The medical recheck for #Clemson DE Shaq Lawson (shoulder) confirmed what a specialist said earlier: No concern for his availability in '16
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 9:08 AM, Blokestradamus said: That comparison is doing the guy no favours. He's not even close to being like Mo. Vernon is a base NT for the Bills with little pass rush ability. Take elements of his technique and put that with Chris Jones' athletic profile and maybe you come closer. You want to try and mould the next Wilkerson, take Jones instead. You can teach technique. I would like both please. Jones and Butler
chris heff Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 4:06 PM, YoloinOhio said: @rapsheet The medical recheck for #Clemson DE Shaq Lawson (shoulder) confirmed what a specialist said earlier: No concern for his availability in '16 So Yo, is Shaq the guy if available? I saw a mock somewhere that had him falling to Carolina.
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2016 Posted April 15, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 10:25 PM, chris heff said: So Yo, is Shaq the guy if available? I saw a mock somewhere that had him falling to Carolina.i think he would be but he hasn't visited. Not that it means they wouldn't take him if he fell to 19 (I do think he's a top 10 talent) but they have never drafted a player in the first who didn't visit since Whaley got here in 2010.
Blokestradamus Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/15/2016 at 11:50 PM, YoloinOhio said: i think he would be but he hasn't visited. Not that it means they wouldn't take him if he fell to 19 (I do think he's a top 10 talent) but they have never drafted a player in the first who didn't visit since Whaley got here in 2010. I really hope in the next few days, they announce visits for Lawson and Spence. If Ogbah is their pass rusher of choice, I might hit the roof.
thebandit27 Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 10:38 AM, Blokestradamus said: I really hope in the next few days, they announce visits for Lawson and Spence. If Ogbah is their pass rusher of choice, I might hit the roof. I get the growing feeling that Jones is their guy; nothing more than a hunch though
Blokestradamus Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 On 4/16/2016 at 10:45 AM, thebandit27 said: I get the growing feeling that Jones is their guy; nothing more than a hunch though A few people that know people that know the Bills thinking have put a lot of time into talking about him recently. Either it's an elaborate smoke screen or Jones is way up the Bills board.
BuffaloRebound Posted April 16, 2016 Posted April 16, 2016 With all the DL talent in this draft, can't see Bills using pick #19 on one. If they could trade back with Denver, pick #31 would probably be a sweet spot for a guy like nkemdiche. If Bills can't find trade partner, I think they go with one of the OT's at #19.
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