26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @SalSports Rex: "Absolutely, 100%" he and Doug Whaley get along. Says he has great respect for him and believes feeling is mutual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Apps Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The reason this team never gets anywhere is because they blow it up every 2-3 years. Now, after 1 season with a new HC and D-system they're going to blow EVERYTHING up again? It takes time, let them build the defense the way Rex wants it, I'm OK with giving them another couple of years to fill in the pieces. Blowing it up is the wrong move IMO, they're not that far away. BIll Belichick was 5-11 with NE his first year as their HC, what if they blew it up? They won the Super Bowl the second year. Rex is not a good head coach period and it's clear that the game has passed him by. No amount of shuffling players and trying to get players that fit his scheme will change that. Might as well cut your losses now becuase they is no way the Bills win more that 6 games next season with Rex Ryan next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Good point. Thanks. Also, it seems to me that what is really needed is a football ops guy who can make sure that Whaley and Rex are working in tandem toward a coherent strategic plan. That seems to be what is missing. Whaley is a good scout but he hasn't learned how to work with any coaching staff and the dysfunction is evident on Sundays. Edited December 21, 2015 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @ChrisBrownBills Rex again refutes reports of rift btwn he and GM Doug Whaley. I have great deal of respect for him and believe feeling is mutual. #Bills This is deja vu with Marrone, isn't it? "What? No...everything's great here." and then he splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Thanks. Also, it seems to me that what is really needed is a football ops guy who can make sure that Whaley and Rex are working in tandem toward a coherent strategic plan. That seems to be what is missing. Whaley is a good scout but he hasn't learned how to work with any coaching staff and the dysfunction is evident on Sundays. I would've hoped that the Pegulas could've handled that role where Russ previously couldn't, but yeah, I'd like to see that as well. The problem is that whoever is brought in to do so will be undeniably usurping power from both Whaley and Rex, which might drive a rift between all 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Thanks. Also, it seems to me that what is really needed is a football ops guy who can make sure that Whaley and Rex are working in tandem toward a coherent strategic plan. That seems to be what is missing. Whaley is a good scout but he hasn't learned how to work with any coaching staff and the dysfunction is evident on Sundays. In the off-season, they got a bunch of guys to fit the offense. Drafted a CB that fit a talented defense. How did Whaley not cooperate? Honest question. There was a three-year plan in place where they worked on Defense, ST, and then Offense. Marrone was supposed to still be here, but whatever. It seems that Rex was the one who didn't cooperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 This is deja vu with Marrone, isn't it? "What? No...everything's great here." and then he splits. yeah, remember the "You're stuck with me" comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I would've hoped that the Pegulas could've handled that role where Russ previously couldn't, but yeah, I'd like to see that as well. The problem is that whoever is brought in to do so will be undeniably usurping power from both Whaley and Rex, which might drive a rift between all 3. I think he's talking about basically a mediator between the GM and HC. Seems fine in theory. Would need to be a low-key hiring. A guy who knows his role. Not some big, high profile, "Czar" hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) In the off-season, they got a bunch of guys to fit the offense. Drafted a CB that fit a talented defense. How did Whaley not cooperate? Honest question. There was a three-year plan in place where they worked on Defense, ST, and then Offense. Marrone was supposed to still be here, but whatever. It seems that Rex was the one who didn't cooperate. I'm just guessing but Whaley seems like more of a tell it as it is guy then Rex. Rex should have told Pegulas he would need to change players. If Rex is here next year he better come clean with the owners and fans. Edited December 21, 2015 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. Rex and bis brother can look hard all they want from home looking at job ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Rex and bis brother can look hard all they want from home looking at job ads. one can only hope. Not only did Rex squander a talented team and lead them to massively underachieve- he might cost us Mario and Whaley, due to his incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Um. Okay. You think he elevated the talent of his team and got them to play better than they actually were, but aren't willing to concede that he was a good coach? Whatever, I don't care. I only bring it up to say that Bills fans have been historically unreliable when it comes to determining that a coach must go. Agreed. The point of my post was that with leadership and vision from the top perhaps the team would have would have found a way not to throw out what was good and fixed only what was needed and not blow it up to quiet the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. Lol. The players are right here! They invested in talented players already! WTF do you need, Rex? WTF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think he's talking about basically a mediator between the GM and HC. Seems fine in theory. Would need to be a low-key hiring. A guy who knows his role. Not some big, high profile, "Czar" hiring. They had that guy in Russ Brandon when Marrone was the coach...not sure why they think it'll go differently with someone else in the fold. There's nothing to make me believe that haley and Ryan can't get on the same page at this point, as it seems that Rex felt that the players on hand could execute his scheme and was simply wrong in his belief. If, however, the two can't get on the same page, no additional voice in the room is going to make that happen IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Yes, someone at the top. Can organize everything below him whether or not that includes Whaley, Rex, Overdorf, the equipment guys, people in charge of headsets/communications... whoever. Here is your contract, here is a clean slate. Make us a model franchise. This organization has a systemic precondition of failure and has lacked real leadership for over a decade. This organization is not cursed. Refs, injuries, "no QB", coaches, headset failures, botched challenges, small market, no continuity, etc are symptoms. If they trash Rex and get the next guy, the losses and disfunction will continue. If they trash Whaley and keep the rest intact, the losses and disfunction will continue. They need someone at the rudder of the football department who is not the Pegulas or Russ Brandon and at long last REAL changes need to be made, a unified direction to make this a top football program that is sustainable. Rex's WWE crap and constant FO "agenda pushing" is not a sustainable model. Edited December 21, 2015 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 They had that guy in Russ Brandon when Marrone was the coach...not sure why they think it'll go differently with someone else in the fold. There's nothing to make me believe that haley and Ryan can't get on the same page at this point, as it seems that Rex felt that the players on hand could execute his scheme and was simply wrong in his belief. If, however, the two can't get on the same page, no additional voice in the room is going to make that happen IMO. You're probably right. Russ Brandon isn't a "football guy" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Lol. The players are right here! They invested in talented players already! WTF do you need, Rex? WTF... 3 Pro Bowl Defensive Lineman not good enough for ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Rex is not a good head coach period and it's clear that the game has passed him by. No amount of shuffling players and trying to get players that fit his scheme will change that. Might as well cut your losses now becuase they is no way the Bills win more that 6 games next season with Rex Ryan next season this is very true. The NYJ blew it up, and Rex got WORSE than before the blowup. Now, with his "necessary" players, they have a shot at the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I know some of you folks are concerned about a house cleaning... I'm not...I think it's the best thing... The only thing I'm kind-of-hoping is that Whaley can stay in charge of the Scouting Department, because I do think he's a pretty decent at evaluating talent and running that side...But it's not like I'm going to lose any sleep if they blow that up as well... I just don't see how it's possible for anyone to think another couple years of Rex gives us a better chance at winning...Especially if we are unable to find a Franchise QB...Which is more-than-likely...Unfortunate as it is...I don't think Rex "has it" any longer...He could not get this team to buy in, and even though he's just about the polar-opposite of Marrone personality-wise Rex could not get this roster to take the next step despite upgrades at QB, RB, OG, TE, and CB...I think it's very much a possibility that Rex's time as a legit HC in this league has come and gone...Since the beginning of the 2011 season Rex is 32-46 as a HC...There are probably a million reasons why...But it is what it is...He's not getting the job done...Period... So yes...I hope we get a President Of Football Operations, and I hope the first thing he does is can Rex... But maybe that's just me... More years of Rex Ryan... Can we ask his clone, Hank Bullough, to coach a few more years too? Some of knew after one year of Jauron, one year of Gailey, one year of Marrone and this hire is even worse then those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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