dhg Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) what was frustrating about that call was that it was an unbelievable block. Woods just absolutely blew Poz up. It was immaterial in the end, but still-- really irritating that the officials could make that call there, without seeing it. Story of the season with the refs. Am I the only one who's skin crawls when the network brings Mike Carey on? Edited October 26, 2015 by dhg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 what was frustrating about that call was that it was an unbelievable block. Woods just absolutely blew Poz up. It was immaterial in the end, but still-- really irritating that the officials could make that call there, without seeing it. Should have been 1st and goal at the 1 after the helmet-to-helmet hit on McCoy unnecessary roughness call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That's what I've been saying too. They're playing in England, a country with a massive, legal gambling industry. It just looks bad. As bad as US with false fantasy football? Oh that is legal according to them .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Should have been 1st and goal at the 1 after the helmet-to-helmet hit on McCoy unnecessary roughness call. I noticed that too, but wasn't sure about the rule. Can a defender hit a runner helmet-to-helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Should have been 1st and goal at the 1 after the helmet-to-helmet hit on McCoy unnecessary roughness call. Once a runner has the football, helmet-to-helmet hits are perfectly legal provided that the defender is not using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent. Looked fine to me. I noticed that too, but wasn't sure about the rule. Can a defender hit a runner helmet-to-helmet? Straight from the NFL rule book: "This (contact with helmet) does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Only caught parts of the game on my phone with no sound - was there any discussion on whether the receiver landed out of bounds on the last Jags TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Only caught parts of the game on my phone with no sound - was there any discussion on whether the receiver landed out of bounds on the last Jags TD Not really...his elbow hit in bounds, and then he rolled onto his shoulder, which rolled out of bounds. Not sure how the "continuous movement" provision of the catch "rule" applies, but common sense answer is that it was a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Once a runner has the football, helmet-to-helmet hits are perfectly legal provided that the defender is not using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent. Looked fine to me. Did the tackler hit Shady with the crown of his helmet? Shady's Fumble (1:03) Crown-of-helmet change to help runner, defender A 15-yard penalty will be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from 3 yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Did the tackler hit Shady with the crown of his helmet? Shady's Fumble (1:03) Crown-of-helmet change to help runner, defender I think I'd call it incidental, but I do recognize that it's close. The real atrocity is the Woods penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think I'd call it incidental, but I do recognize that it's close. The real atrocity is the Woods penalty. Agreed. It was in no way a blindside block. He took on Pos face to face and simply blew him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Can the NFL explain how making a Hulk pose is unsportsmanlike conduct, but intentionally running towards an opposing team's logo and spiking the ball right into it, is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Story of the season with the refs. Am I the only one who's skin crawls when the network brings Mike Carey on? Carey is a creep, and no, youre not the only one who thinks so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think the Bills coaches need to raise holy hell with the NFL. Maybe get Pegula to do something behind the scenes. Other teams seem to get attention drawn so that penalties our thrown. On the TD, Hughes has Joeckel beat and was closing on the QB when Joeckel was holding him with both hand around the shoulders. Another blown call that was obvious. Get refs to start calling holding and our D line looks all world again. The owners are in on it. It's revenue share so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose to them. It's better for the owners if teams like the Cowboys or Patriots or Giants win since that would mean more revenue for everybody. If the Bills or Browns win a Super Bowl, everybody gets paid less since less TV viewers and lower advertising costs. For the Bills to win is literally a conflict of interest for the NFL and it's owners. Reality is right in front of everybody if you're ready to see it. It took me years before I was ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) I'm going to take the refs side on this. There are 22 players on the field for every play x 100+ plays a game x 17 weeks of games. Of course bad calls are going to be made(even with replay in place). Would full-time officials help? Yes Would another 2 or 3 officials per game help? Yes Would simplifying the rules help(especially in regards to what is a catch)? Yes Would modification to replay help? Yes Will mistakes still be made? Absolutely. It's not an exact science. Edited October 26, 2015 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm going to take the refs side on this. There are 22 players on the field for every play x 100+ plays a game x 17 weeks of games. Of course bad calls are going to be made(even with replay in place). Would full-time officials help? Yes Would another 2 or 3 officials per game help? Yes Would simplifying the rules help(especially in regards to what is a catch)? Yes Would modification to reply help? Yes Will mistakes still be made? Absolutely. It's not an exact science. It was an egregious call on a play where it wasn't even close to DPI. There was absolutely no valid reason to throw a flag there. NONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) It was an egregious call on a play where it wasn't even close to DPI. There was absolutely no valid reason to throw a flag there. NONE! Maybe from his angle that is what he saw(was there a camera angle from where that ref was standing?)...and he didn't have the luxury of 10 different angles and super duper slo mo that those of us at home had prior to throwing the flag. Edited October 26, 2015 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm going to take the refs side on this. There are 22 players on the field for every play x 100+ plays a game x 17 weeks of games. Of course bad calls are going to be made(even with replay in place). Would full-time officials help? Yes Would another 2 or 3 officials per game help? Yes Would simplifying the rules help(especially in regards to what is a catch)? Yes Would modification to reply help? Yes Will mistakes still be made? Absolutely. It's not an exact science. The problem is that these plays aren't reviewed. So they controlled the outcome of the game. Everyone can talk about them being judgement call and they can't question judgement calls but at the end of the day, they should've been able to get together and talk and ask if that was actually PI. Or at least the people upstairs watching call down on it. They can still make their "judgement" calls but all I am asking is not to be screwed on the blatant miscalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) The problem is that these plays aren't reviewed. So they controlled the outcome of the game. Everyone can talk about them being judgement call and they can't question judgement calls but at the end of the day, they should've been able to get together and talk and ask if that was actually PI. Or at least the people upstairs watching call down on it. They can still make their "judgement" calls but all I am asking is not to be screwed on the blatant miscalls. Who said the refs can't get together and discuss a call. That is an option on each and every play. Do they like to overrule a fellow official, probably not, but you do see it happen from time to time. Edited October 26, 2015 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The owners are in on it. It's revenue share so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose to them. It's better for the owners if teams like the Cowboys or Patriots or Giants win since that would mean more revenue for everybody. If the Bills or Browns win a Super Bowl, everybody gets paid less since less TV viewers and lower advertising costs. For the Bills to win is literally a conflict of interest for the NFL and it's owners. Reality is right in front of everybody if you're ready to see it. It took me years before I was ready. This is a fallacy. The broadcast fees paid to the league by the networks were already set in stone and took effect after the 2013 season concluded; $28b over nine years, regardless whether or not larger market teams succeed. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Who said the refs can't get together and discuss a call. That is an option on each and every play. Do they like to overrule a fellow official, probably not, but you do see it happen from time to time. It's rare that they overrule each other. But I am saying it should have been reviewable. If no other officials were around the play, which in looking at the All-22 it seemed there weren't then upstairs should have called down and said, you messed up, pick up that flag. If they don't want upstairs officials constantly overruling downstairs officials then get better on field officials. But seriously, if they don't want that, then institute challenging penalties into your 2 challenges for the game. Obviously don't allow challenging to get a penalty flag thrown, but they need to allow for some corrective ability for these terrible calls. They can still make their judgement calls in these situations. Edited October 26, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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