NoSaint Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 he will thankfully be gone in a few months. The question is. Was he medically cleared to play today? if so and he was " reflecting" well that confirms pretty much what every team but Ryan's think of him. Of all the "second chance" signings or in Harvins case fourth chance. His signing and issues should be of no surprise. A waste of 6 mil. And a roster spot. No indication he was healthy for today, but don't let that stop a rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudi Arabia Rob Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 @viccarucci According to #NFL sources, #Bills WR Percy Harvin didn't join the team in London bc he is contemplating retirement bc of hip injury. Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Rapoport on Harvin: "If his hip allows... he will play for the Buffalo Bills this year' (3:23) NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport takes a look at the latest on Buffalo Bills wide receiver Percy Harvin's injury, trade deadline names to keep an eye on, as well as CBA extension talks. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Rapoport on Harvin: "If his hip allows... he will play for the Buffalo Bills this year' (3:23) Â Translation: my agent said that if I retire now, I need to pay back $4 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 No indication he was healthy for today, but don't let that stop a rant. Plenty of indication he has been a nightmare everywhere he has been. Typical snark remark on your part. You're really getting good at it. Are you a priest down there? Â Whaley and or Ryan would not have been so vague if Harvin was communicating. Thus IMO my comment has a 50/50 chance of being correct. he is a douche ask some of his former teamates/teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Translation: my agent said that if I retire now, I need to pay back $4 millionActually the Bills could only try to recoup a pro-rated portion of his signing bonus if he retired due to not wanting to play anymore. If he retires due to injury they cannot recoup any signing bonus money. Harvin is a vested veteran so a release by the team would typically mean he'd get his salary for the remainder of the year too, but I'm not sure If that's true for a retirement. I'd guess that it'd work the same as the signing bonus - they wouldn't have to pay if retirement was elective, but would if he retired due to injury. The whole question of severity of injury and whether or not it should equate to a retirement isn't easy to prove and there's a pretty bright spotlight on player injuries right now. If Harvin is taking a powder the Bills might be best served reaching some sort of settlement with him and moving on. Signing players with anything close to Harvin's track record to anything but incentive laden contracts is rarely a smart move. The Bills made a mistake and it's going to cost them $6M for minimal production. It was a stupid move and the (very predictable) result sucks, but it isn't the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Actually the Bills could only try to recoup a pro-rated portion of his signing bonus if he retired due to not wanting to play anymore. If he retires due to injury they cannot recoup any signing bonus money. Harvin is a vested veteran so a release by the team would typically mean he'd get his salary for the remainder of the year too, but I'm not sure If that's true for a retirement. I'd guess that it'd work the same as the signing bonus - they wouldn't have to pay if retirement was elective, but would if he retired due to injury. The whole question of severity of injury and whether or not it should equate to a retirement isn't easy to prove and there's a pretty bright spotlight on player injuries right now. If Harvin is taking a powder the Bills might be best served reaching some sort of settlement with him and moving on. Â Signing players with anything close to Harvin's track record to anything but incentive laden contracts is rarely a smart move. The Bills made a mistake and it's going to cost them $6M for minimal production. It was a stupid move and the (very predictable) result sucks, but it isn't the end of the world. If he's injured to the point of retirement I'd assume he'd hit IR collect his salary and file the papers in January. Â No incentive to retire today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If he's injured to the point of retirement I'd assume he'd hit IR collect his salary and file the papers in January. No incentive to retire today That's the issue. One would think that if the injury was serious he'd be IRed, but that's not happening. That's what's leading many of us to infer that this is more of an issue of Harvin not wanting to play for the Bills anymore this year. He's probably dinged. He could probably play through it now or at some point this season at less than 100%. He'd probably rather shut it down and get healthy for his next contract. That would all make sense and be in line with his past behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That's the issue. One would think that if the injury was serious he'd be IRed, but that's not happening. That's what's leading many of us to infer that this is more of an issue of Harvin not wanting to play for the Bills anymore this year. He's probably dinged. He could probably play through it now or at some point this season at less than 100%. He'd probably rather shut it down and get healthy for his next contract. That would all make sense and be in line with his past behavior. IF that is the case....we need to IR him immediately and trade for a WR or bring up Dez Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 NBC was reporting that Harvin never said he was thinking of retirement, that the story came from the Bills. WTF is going on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 IF that is the case....we need to IR him immediately and trade for a WR or bring up Dez Lewis If he's not coming back id rather they reach an injury settlement with him and free up a little cap room. Â NBC was reporting that Harvin never said he was thinking of retirement, that the story came from the Bills. WTF is going on?? Posturing and money. Harvin and his agent want all of the $1.63M remaining salary for the season and they want to keep all of the $3M signing bonus already paid. If Harvin was to elect to retire at this point (not injury related) then the Bills wouldn't owe him his remaining salary and could try to recoup a prorated portion of his signing bonus - either $1.69M or $2.56M depending upon whether his contract is considered 1 or 3 years in length. If he's too injured to play again this season due to football injury then the Bills could recoup nothing and would owe him his remaining salary for the year. The Bills would rather he play if able, I'm sure, but you can't make him do that. I'd wager that there's a substantial difference between what team doctors say about his ability to play again this season and what he's saying. Thus the rumors about him being angry the Bills won't IR him, about him retiring, etc. Hopefully this gets worked out over the break and he either sucks it up and gets back on the field or they reach some sort of settlement that yields some cap relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thus the rumors about him being angry the Bills won't IR him i must have missed those ones - source? (genuinely curious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) i must have missed those ones - source? (genuinely curious)I honestly don't remember. I don't listen to much local sports radio so it might have been on one of the Sirius sports stations. I googled it and didn't come up with anything. Maybe someone inferred that from recent events and reported it - or maybe I did. If I find it I'll post a link here. It was right when this all started and I've come to learn that the moments before agents, lawyers and PR professionals get involved is when the unvarnished truth is usually told. Once everyone in the CYA business is on the case, that's all over. For example, a player gets injured playing basketball in the offseason, tweets it and within a couple hours the story changes to "injured myself training". That happened with Suggs a few years back. I suspect it happened with Fred and Lynch screwing around and racing out of the team parking lot. It happens with a lot more serious things than the examples I just gave, too. Edited October 26, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 @hsimon62 WGR 550 SportsRadio - Source: Bills Have Had "positive" Communication With Harvin http://www.wgr550.com/Source-Bills-have-had-positive-communication-with-/22123711#.VjKSOZPMI4A.twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 He afraid that if he has to play with EJ, that EJ is going to get him hurt. So he is going to sit out till Tyrod is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 He afraid that if he has to play with EJ, that EJ is going to get him hurt. So he is going to sit out till Tyrod is back. crazier things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 @hsimon62 WGR 550 SportsRadio - Source: Bills Have Had "positive" Communication With Harvin http://www.wgr550.com/Source-Bills-have-had-positive-communication-with-/22123711#.VjKSOZPMI4A.twitter What does that even mean....that he answered his phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Wouldn't you prefer to play with Tyrod Taylor than Typhoid Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Sad but I felt he was fragile and wouldn't make the season when signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 NBC was reporting that Harvin never said he was thinking of retirement, that the story came from the Bills. WTF is going on?? You're listening to reporters who likely are just guessing as to what is going on. We see this all the time. Reporters say stuff with no backup, then aren't held accountable. Let's just wait it out and see. No reason to get all fired up about something where we don't know all the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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