The Frankish Reich Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Fitz started out really good and in 2011. He fizzed out and so did the Bills... Prediction: He will fizz out in 2015 as well. He cannot play 16 games/year. He is NOT a Starting QB. Thinking anything more than that is borderline psychotic. Correct. He is, like everyone else we've brought in here, no better than the 32nd or 33rd best quarterback in the world, in a league with 32 starters. He is Josh McCown. Or Luke McCown. Or Brian Hoyer. Or Kyle Orton. Or Tarvaris Jackson. Or Matt Cassel. Or Tyrod Taylor? Why bring this up? Watch the game this Sunday against NE. Fitzpatrick will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this weekend. The Jets will have a shot at the upset and he will screw it up with 3 and outs or an ill advised pick. Enough. "Having a shot" is, if I remember correctly, somewhat better than how Tyrod and the Bills fared vs. NE ... Edited October 21, 2015 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 This thread is going to get bumped a LOT later in the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 This thread is going to get bumped a LOT later in the season Key to the reason I asked the question is this: dumping Fitzy and drafting EJ was a panic decision, and it took Whaley and Co. only one year to realize the mistake that drafting EJ was -- that's why Kyle Orton was dragged in, and why Matt Cassel and TT were brought in this year (and why Whaley referred to being in "QB Purgatory", a not so veiled slap at his own one-time "franchise QB" first rounder). And if they hadn't panicked, and simply waited a year? Well, I'd feel better with Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Key to the reason I asked the question is this: dumping Fitzy and drafting EJ was a panic decision, and it took Whaley and Co. only one year to realize the mistake that drafting EJ was -- that's why Kyle Orton was dragged in, and why Matt Cassel and TT were brought in this year (and why Whaley referred to being in "QB Purgatory", a not so veiled slap at his own one-time "franchise QB" first rounder). And if they hadn't panicked, and simply waited a year? Well, I'd feel better with Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater ... He did not describe it as "QB Purgatory" - use the full quote or none at all. Some of the media used part of quote as buzzword which is why every other phrase when talking with that media member should be "Moron media member" and let other papers pick that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Correct. He is, like everyone else we've brought in here, no better than the 32nd or 33rd best quarterback in the world, in a league with 32 starters. He is Josh McCown. Or Luke McCown. Or Brian Hoyer. Or Kyle Orton. Or Tarvaris Jackson. Or Matt Cassel. Or Tyrod Taylor? "Having a shot" is, if I remember correctly, somewhat better than how Tyrod and the Bills fared vs. NE ... Tyrod had a shot at the end of the game to drive for a potentially tying TD/2pt conversion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) I'm going to have to say better off, since a whole cascade of other events likely wouldn't have happened: drafting EJ, making the Sammy Watkins trade, bringing in Rex Ryan, getting stuck for several years with guaranteed Fitzy dead money that could have been applied to other needs. Why wouldn't they have made the Watkins trade? They still needed a play making WR so I don't see how Fitz at QB would hv changed that. Why wouldn't they hv hired Rex? They carried dead money from Fitz for two years and it didn't prevent them from doing anything so this point is a non issue. What does Houston with Fitz at QB beating Buffalo last year have to do with anything? Edited October 22, 2015 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 THIS is what I was going to say! It is amazing the conversations we Bills fans get into all stemming from one simple fact: we haven't really had a stud QB on this team since Jim Kelly. the sad truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 This thread is going to get bumped a LOT later in the season Right on cue ... here's the first of many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yes, He's better than EJM. I think he'd be the backup to Tyrod , and could see the Bills winning today with Fitz. Cassel, no but Fitz yes , they would have won vs Jax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 i'd rather have Taylor, Manuel and Fitz on this team then any other opportunity we could have had in the last so many years. It'd have saved us from the Orton experience and waste, as well as the Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel thrown to the wolves time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) We'd likely be in the same exact spot we are now. The Jets are playing better defense, and they seem to have better O Line and WR play. Marshall has looked better than any of our receivers this year. QB is so crucial in this league, but when you don't have one, everyone else needs to step up. We haven't done that this year, while the Jets have. Edited October 25, 2015 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 i'd rather have Taylor, Manuel and Fitz on this team then any other opportunity we could have had in the last so many years. It'd have saved us from the Orton experience and waste, as well as the Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel thrown to the wolves time. It's not just about Fitzy -- it's about how the Jets have built their team vs. how the Bills have built theirs. Jets: priorities were old fashioned. Bring in offensive lineman from Seattle last year and again this year. Build an old fashioned power running game around Ivory. When you feel that you're offense is missing a big receiver, go get a geniune big receiver in Brandon Marshall rather than trading up for a fairly ordinary sized receiver like Sammy Watkins. And after our respective QB debacles of the last couple years, they go the standard route in bring in the time-tested albeit mediocre veteran (which is what we did last year, and almost this year with Cassel). We'll see who wins, but right now, things are looking better in NYC than they are in Buffalo. We'd likely be in the same exact spot we are now. The Jets are playing better defense, and they seem to have better O Line and WR play. Marshall has looked better than any of our receivers this year. QB is so crucial in this league, but when you don't have one, everyone else needs to step up. We haven't done that this year, while the Jets have. That's because they do have better O line and WR play. And that's because that (and Reavis) is where they've put their free agent/re-signing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Looks good today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) It's not just about Fitzy -- it's about how the Jets have built their team vs. how the Bills have built theirs. Jets: priorities were old fashioned. Bring in offensive lineman from Seattle last year and again this year. Build an old fashioned power running game around Ivory. When you feel that you're offense is missing a big receiver, go get a geniune big receiver in Brandon Marshall rather than trading up for a fairly ordinary sized receiver like Sammy Watkins. And after our respective QB debacles of the last couple years, they go the standard route in bring in the time-tested albeit mediocre veteran (which is what we did last year, and almost this year with Cassel). We'll see who wins, but right now, things are looking better in NYC than they are in Buffalo. Well said. It seems as if us fans had determined that O Line doesn't matter. Just because Whaley feels that way doesn't make it the truth. It's cliche, but you have to win in the trenches. Also the idea that Watkins is some kind of tremendous weapon is quite the myth around here. Sure he has great skills, but what has he done in the league to show that he's a dominant player? Just because a guy has great skills and dominated in college doesn't mean that's the way it will go in the NFL. Edited October 25, 2015 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Unless TT continues to impress and manages to stay healthy (both of which are big ifs) it appears we would have been better off just keeping Fitz. What does that say about or GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) It says our GM needs to go. The Watkins trade and Manuel draft choice were both absurd and ill advised. Edited October 25, 2015 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Ok, so all of the "I always wanted to keep Fitz" fans are coming out of the woodwork. Put it on the record now: Would you rather have Fitz over Tyrod Taylor as our starting QB? (Not Fitz for EJ because EJ is backup). Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Ok, so all of the "I always wanted to keep Fitz" fans are coming out of the woodwork. Put it on the record now: Would you rather have Fitz over Tyrod Taylor as our starting QB? (Not Fitz for EJ because EJ is backup). Go Yes. Actually, I'd rather have them both, which isn't really a stretch since TT isn't making starter money, and it's not like the whole NFL was clamoring for his services. The Bills are built to win now. Actually, last year and this year are their peak years in the competitive cycle. Maybe next year too if we're lucky. We saw what marginally competent veteran quarterbacking (Orton) with the rest of this team's personnel did last year. Fitzy would be about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Ok, so all of the "I always wanted to keep Fitz" fans are coming out of the woodwork. Put it on the record now: Would you rather have Fitz over Tyrod Taylor as our starting QB? (Not Fitz for EJ because EJ is backup). Go Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well said. It seems as if us fans had determined that O Line doesn't matter. Just because Whaley feels that way doesn't make it the truth. It's cliche, but you have to win in the trenches. Also the idea that Watkins is some kind of tremendous weapon is quite the myth around here. Sure he has great skills, but what has he done in the league to show that he's a dominant player? Just because a guy has great skills and dominated in college doesn't mean that's the way it will go in the NFL. And as for the O line: we paid Chris Williams as much last year as the Jets are paying Breno Giacomini, and about as much as they are paying Carpenter -- the 2 former Seahawks they signed. That's just a better job of scouting, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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