All I Need is Hope Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 A slightly less terrible Thad Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Young Randall Cunningham..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Any white guy comps ? Roger Staubach. Roger could run but didn't very much. He would elude defenders and then make accurate passes. Not vsure TYrod is quite the leader Roger was however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Man I hope not, I'm hoping for Russell Wilson +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmsbills Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Tyrod - was never much of a passer at VA Tech and I do not see him ever being more than what we seen thus far - some good some bad and not great with the long ball. It would like to see him throw down field more and if no one is open take off running - use his strengths. He will never be a prototypical pocket passer so do not try to put the square peg into the round hole. Go with his talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) He is sort of unique. His numbers are very impressive so far. But I am left with the impression that he is totally reactive rather than able to dictate the play on the field. I think a boxing analogy fits for describing my view of him, he is a very good counter puncher, but he doesn't really have the ring generalship to dictate the play. I think "elite" players at any offensive position are the players opposing teams have to really game plan for. Right now I feel as though teams can play whatever they feel as though their "best" base defense is against Taylor and expect to not be exploited.In terms of comps his best analog right now is Colin Kaepernick. He is smaller, his arm isn't as strong. He is faster. I feel as though their mid and long range accuracy is similar. Edited October 6, 2015 by PlayoffsPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) He is sort of unique. His numbers are very impressive so far. But I am left with the impression that he is totally reactive rather than able to dictate the play on the field. I think a boxing analogy fits for describing my view of him, he is a very good counter puncher, but he doesn't really have the ring generalship to dictate the play. I think "elite" players at any offensive position are the players opposing teams have to really game plan for. Right now I feel as though teams can play whatever they feel as though their "best" base defense is against Taylor and expect to not be exploited. In terms of comps his best analog right now is Colin Kaepernick. He is smaller, his arm isn't as strong. He is faster. I feel as though their mid and long range accuracy is similar. I think you are right, but it's only been a 4 game career. We still don't know how much freedom he has to audible, the offensive system is new to the team, and he didn't even get a complete training camp. I wouldn't expect him to be dictating play. Edited October 6, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Jake Plummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I've been trying to figure out who Tyrod reminds me of, and it hit me: Jeff Blake, Bengals QB in the mid-90s. 6th Round pick, listed at 6'1" but looked shorter, threw a really pretty long ball, had a nice few years including a Pro Bowl season. He wasn't nearly as fast as Tyrod but he was athletic - they called in Shake 'n' Blake for his scrambles, and he had over 300 yards rushing in 3 different seasons. And as I mentioned in another thread when Blake popped into my head ... I think Blake is a realistic upside for Tyrod. Others have said Vick 2.0, but I don't really see that. After 4 full games, who do you think he plays like? Anyone else come to mind as a comparable? Why because they're both right handed black QBs? Stop it. Tyrod is Tyrod. Peyton is Peyton. Eli is Eli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I see a bit of Warren Moon, mixed with some Randall Cunningham, some Slash, a bit of Mike Vick, with some McNabb in there as well plus a touch of McNair as well as some Russ Wilson, a smidgen of Doug Williams, and 2% Vince Evans. Jeff Blake?....nah, I really don't see it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Blake was perfectly league average over his career according to PFR's advance passer system: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BlakJe00.htm. He had two good seasons and hung around for a long time. He played on the 2002 Ravens, a team that had Rex Ryan, Mike Pettine, and Dennis Thurman as defensive assistant coaches. Rex and Thurman would know better than anyone else how he compares to Taylor. I don't see much similarity, but it must be said that if you're going to compare Taylor to anyone, it has to be to a very fast and quick QB who could tuck and run. If he ends comparing with Cunningham, we should all be happy: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CunnRa00.htm . Cunningham was an above average QB, although his fumbling problem was horrible. Edited October 6, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 He is sort of unique. His numbers are very impressive so far. But I am left with the impression that he is totally reactive rather than able to dictate the play on the field. I think a boxing analogy fits for describing my view of him, he is a very good counter puncher, but he doesn't really have the ring generalship to dictate the play. I think "elite" players at any offensive position are the players opposing teams have to really game plan for. Right now I feel as though teams can play whatever they feel as though their "best" base defense is against Taylor and expect to not be exploited. In terms of comps his best analog right now is Colin Kaepernick. He is smaller, his arm isn't as strong. He is faster. I feel as though their mid and long range accuracy is similar. Check those feelings. Kaep is a career 60% passer. We have an admittedly small sample with Tyrod but he's over 70% -- and he has been going downfield. I find your assessment curious -- you've already determined what Tyrod's ceiling is after four games in which he's been pretty damn good and done more than what the Bills expected of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 6, 2015 Author Share Posted October 6, 2015 A young McNabb is a pretty good comp too. Big arm, fast, elusive, moves well -- a little bigger overall than Tyrod, but I like it. Maybe we can say McNabb is his upside? That would be pretty great. As for folks complaining that we're all mentioning black QBs - I see the point. So let's try this -- Plummer with a stronger arm is a good one too. How about a righty Mark Brunell? He could really run and he had a plus arm. Of course, someone will inevitably say that Tyrod is faster/has a better arm/is smarter, etc than McNabb, as if we shouldn't be happy that we feel comfortable comparing Tyrod to a 6-time pro bowler. Something makes me think Bills fans can never be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 A young McNabb is a pretty good comp too. Big arm, fast, elusive, moves well -- a little bigger overall than Tyrod, but I like it. Maybe we can say McNabb is his upside? That would be pretty great. As for folks complaining that we're all mentioning black QBs - I see the point. So let's try this -- Plummer with a stronger arm is a good one too. How about a righty Mark Brunell? He could really run and he had a plus arm. Of course, someone will inevitably say that Tyrod is faster/has a better arm/is smarter, etc than McNabb, as if we shouldn't be happy that we feel comfortable comparing Tyrod to a 6-time pro bowler. Something makes me think Bills fans can never be satisfied. Don't McNabb's career numbers compare pretty similarly to Jim Kelly's? I feel like I remember that being a take a few years back. The host put up McNabb's numbers next to Kelly's and asked which was the hall of famer and which wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 A slightly less terrible Thad Lewis Well you've won the dumbest post of the day award. Like another poster said, I'm drawing a blank. He's an anomaly at this point. All I know is we have a bona-fide playmaker at QB, and he's played only four games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Don't McNabb's career numbers compare pretty similarly to Jim Kelly's? I feel like I remember that being a take a few years back. The host put up McNabb's numbers next to Kelly's and asked which was the hall of famer and which wasn't. They're almost identical, but if you stack Kelly's numbers up relative to the years he played in vs. McNabb's, Kelly's look better. That's because QB numbers in the 1980s-mid-1990s were across the board worse than in the 2000s (rule changes being the main reason for the uptick in more recent years). Kelly's lifetime advanced passer rating (PFR) was 111; McNabb's was 106. Basically, the measure assigns the perfectly average QB performance from a particular year a 100 rating. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm Edited October 6, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 How about Jeff Gacria as a white option? Fairly mobile but generally looked to pass first. Looked smaller than his listed height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 They're almost identical, but if you stack Kelly's numbers up relative to the years he played in vs. McNabb's, Kelly's look better. That's because QB numbers in the 1980s-mid-1990s were across the board worse than in the 2000s (rule changes being the main reason for the uptick in more recent years). Kelly's lifetime advanced passer rating (PFR) was 111; McNabb's was 106. Basically, the measure assigns the perfectly average QB performance from a particular year a 100 rating. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm Thanks! I thought I remembered that comparison, but I honestly couldn't remember. And yeah, I understand the slightly different eras. Just thought it was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Tyrod - was never much of a passer at VA Tech and I do not see him ever being more than what we seen thus far - some good some bad and not great with the long ball. It would like to see him throw down field more and if no one is open take off running - use his strengths. He will never be a prototypical pocket passer so do not try to put the square peg into the round hole. Go with his talents. Nothing wrong with his deep ball - though his right sideline pass to Harvin last weekend could have been a TD if placed more in the field ofplay. He has spread the ball to all parts of the field. His pocket awareness was bad against the Patriots but has been quite good in other games. He moves to make throws not to get yards. I agree with you that he should run more. That may make defenses spy him a little bit and open up the underneath coverages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Thanks! I thought I remembered that comparison, but I honestly couldn't remember. And yeah, I understand the slightly different eras. Just thought it was interesting. Yeah, Fergy has some pretty good advanced passer rating numbers (i.e., 106 or so) in some of his seasons despite a low-50s percent completion rate, more INTs than TDs, and a passer rating in the mid-70s. The logic is that you have to compare like to like, and QBs in the 70s simply didn't put up the numbers today's QBs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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