Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) I know this is a sensitive topic around here and I'm not proclaiming to be steadfast in my opinion but I thought the value of Sammy Watkins was on full display today. Granted I have not seen the all-22 so I don't know how the NYG handled their coverage but based on what I could see it sure felt like not having Watkins on the field severely stunted Buffalo's passing attack. Taylor, while harassed more than we would like, was constantly forced to look away from his WRs most of the game. Without a threat like Watkins to deal with it felt like the Giants' secondary was able to allow their front to play more aggressively than we have seen a team play the Bills so far. I have heard a lot of talk about Watkins needing to put up better numbers and I certainly agree with some of that, but to me it felt like not having his skill set on the field today hurt the Bills in so many ways. Every team scouted him. Every team knows how good he is. He got veteran WR respect from a coverage perspective as a rookie. How much of an effect did not having him out there have on today's outcome? Thoughts? Edited October 5, 2015 by Thurmal34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 We missed Sammy big time and I think the tape will bear that out. I think we'll find that Harvin garnered the coverage usually assigned to Watkins. Clay took advantage a few times as a result of that, too. We need Sammy in our lineup. McCoy, too. He presents matchup issues to say the least. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The other question I have is why we could not get Woods more involved today? He has talent and has shown it thru 2 seasons. Bob Woods is not being used properly and I am not sure Roman knows how to get the most out of a WR of his type. This is not a knock against Roman, though. Woods needs to be on the outside or tucked inside where he can be matched up against defenders and use his strength and toughness to beat and wear down offenders. Roman is not giving him that opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not having seen your thread, I posted basically the same thing. The best thing about today's game is that we know how good, and important, Sammy and LeSean are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 Agreed Boyst. I expected Woods to get a ton of looks today with Harvin playing the Watkins role. There either wasn't time or it wasn't schemed. Woods is a rock solid player and he was underused today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not having seen your thread, I posted basically the same thing. The best thing about today's game is that we know how good, and important, Sammy and LeSean are. We really don't know that. They haven't shown the ability to be effective against a good team yet this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobshaw81 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 yes the are both important pieces but you go to turn the key on, expect to drive fast and furious but the sammy car doesnt start half the time. Injury prone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Agreed Boyst. I expected Woods to get a ton of looks today with Harvin playing the Watkins role. There either wasn't time or it wasn't schemed. Woods is a rock solid player and he was underused today. why didn't we adapt? why didn't we change our game plan? in the second half we should have limited Karlos Williams' role. Put in Cierre to block some, as he appears very good at it. Mixed it up with Dixon who in limitted reps did well. We didn't need to establish a running game as we showed success in the passes. Instead we wasted time going to short routes on Hogan and mis-utilized Woods who is strong enough and good enough to have run quick routes to out muscle DB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Rolled coverage toward Harvin all day. Man underneath with 2 high safeties. Tyrod's noodle arm was tested and failed. Missing both McCoy and Watkins. Time for a new strength and condition coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 why didn't we adapt? why didn't we change our game plan? in the second half we should have limited Karlos Williams' role. Put in Cierre to block some, as he appears very good at it. Mixed it up with Dixon who in limitted reps did well. We didn't need to establish a running game as we showed success in the passes. Instead we wasted time going to short routes on Hogan and mis-utilized Woods who is strong enough and good enough to have run quick routes to out muscle DB's. Dunno. Told a buddy to watch for Woods this morning, thought today was tailor (Taylor?) made for him. Should have been a much bigger part of the offense. He's as a good of a #2 as there is in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Dunno. Told a buddy to watch for Woods this morning, thought today was tailor (Taylor?) made for him. Should have been a much bigger part of the offense. He's as a good of a #2 as there is in the league. I like Taylor, but the offense may be more Taylor-made for guys like Clay, Percy, and Sammy than chains moving guys like Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Dunno. Told a buddy to watch for Woods this morning, thought today was tailor (Taylor?) made for him. Should have been a much bigger part of the offense. He's as a good of a #2 as there is in the league. exactly. it worries me about hte inadequacies of this teams coaching staff. rex had several different types of teams in ny, but all of them were tough. those that weren't had poor records. he didn't have the high level talent like we have now; it scares me. i think he is out of his element here and i would have much more faith in this team if he can and had better tested assistants/coordinators i would prefer swchartz as the dc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 yes the are both important pieces but you go to turn the key on, expect to drive fast and furious but the sammy car doesnt start half the time. Injury prone Right. His first missed game of his career was today, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Watkins is a fantastic talent but he can't stay healthy. Not quitting him but his chronic injuries are starting to become worrisome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Dunno. Told a buddy to watch for Woods this morning, thought today was tailor (Taylor?) made for him. Should have been a much bigger part of the offense. He's as a good of a #2 as there is in the league. . Is he ? Woods didn't do much out there today, and his fumble was pretty bad. It's easier to get open when you are the 3rd guy the D is worried about . SW can't get back soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 . Is he ? Woods didn't do much out there today, and his fumble was pretty bad. It's easier to get open when you are the 3rd guy the D is worried about . SW can't get back soon enough. Agreed, was shouting at the TV for him to just go OB, but I think that was a case of a player trying to do too much at the wrong time. As much as I hated the decision he made to stay IB, I think he fell victim to trying to make something big happen. We have seen him be successful in the #2 role many times. We know he's a really talented kid with good hands and a penchant for making a key play to keep the chains moving. With Sammy out and our staff having to know Percy would be blanketed, why wasn't he a bigger part of the game today? Did Taylor just not have enough time du to poor OL play? Or did Roman miss a chance? I'm not sure. I do know he certainly is capable of being a key cog in an offensive game plan. Right. His first missed game of his career was today, no? Yep. Even gimpy but on the field he brings value IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'll be mad when woods doesn't get resigned here and plays for a top 6 QB and put up crazy numbers...he has great hands and is tough to cover in the slot or on the outside with his toughness... If it came between woods and Harvin I would go with woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I know we are not allowed to say it around here, but Odell Beckham Jr. also proved Sammy's value relative to him today ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I know we are not allowed to say it around here, but Odell Beckham Jr. also proved Sammy's value relative to him today ... I think Sammy , Beckham and Evans are all close is talent we just had higher ceiling numbers on Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 I know we are not allowed to say it around here, but Odell Beckham Jr. also proved Sammy's value relative to him today ... While Beckham's 5 catches for 38 yards were not impressive numbers, his presence on the field allowed other players to shine. That's the point about Sammy being out, so yeah, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 We really don't know that. They haven't shown the ability to be effective against a good team yet this season. This. People on here are acting like Shady/Watkins had a combined 8 touchdowns coming into this game. Production has been subpar from both this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 This. People on here are acting like Shady/Watkins had a combined 8 touchdowns coming into this game. Production has been subpar from both this year. I guess maybe the point of this thread is getting lost. For some reason people seem to be confusing presence with production. Not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 exactly. it worries me about hte inadequacies of this teams coaching staff. rex had several different types of teams in ny, but all of them were tough. those that weren't had poor records. he didn't have the high level talent like we have now; it scares me. i think he is out of his element here and i would have much more faith in this team if he can and had better tested assistants/coordinators i would prefer swchartz as the dc. In fairness he wanted to keep him. But schwartz left because of schematic differences. That was a tough loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Schwartz and Roman would be great. Let Rex do interviews, if we must. Just don't make it worse, Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 We missed Sammy big time and I think the tape will bear that out. I think we'll find that Harvin garnered the coverage usually assigned to Watkins. Clay took advantage a few times as a result of that, too. We need Sammy in our lineup. McCoy, too. He presents matchup issues to say the least. GO BILLS!!! Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I guess maybe the point of this thread is getting lost. For some reason people seem to be confusing presence with production. Not sure why. My bad, the unmeasurable stat confused me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 My bad, the unmeasurable stat confused me. It's cool. Not everyone sees the whole field. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 My bad, the unmeasurable stat confused me. 1) They both were injured at the start of the season 2) Having both on the field opens up the offense, as evidenced by Percy Harvin's stat lines in the first three games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 This. People on here are acting like Shady/Watkins had a combined 8 touchdowns coming into this game. Production has been subpar from both this year. Ummm bills were averaging 35 plus points a game before today where Watkins/McCoy didn't play. You're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Agreed Boyst. I expected Woods to get a ton of looks today with Harvin playing the Watkins role. There either wasn't time or it wasn't schemed. Woods is a rock solid player and he was underused today. I like Woods but didn't he drop a TD pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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