Rico Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Who is he going to introduce? Bill Belichek? 239387[/snapback] Tom Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I'm giving him three seasons. That's right, three SEASONS. I'm not going to annoint him the next great player (ala Roethishamburger) nor rip him unmercifully, because he's going to do some remarkably stupid things AND make some amazing plays. 239034[/snapback] Same here. Sign me up! GO JP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I'm on board... I'll Pledge my patience with JP no matter what...This is what I have wanted for some time now, and I'm willing to accept JP's growing pains if that's what happens... But I think the Kid will be just fine in time...I really do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I promise you this that patience will only last 1 game then its back to the same ol nasty whiners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I promise you this that patience will only last 1 game then its back to the same ol nasty whiners. 239421[/snapback] Once you learn good, basic grammar, you're going to kick some serious ass around here. I'll give ya this much, Sue. You may have a lot of opinions about this team one way or another...and I have to say some of your ideas are, at times, kinda bothersome...but at least you never sound like you're taking the position strictly so you will one day remind everyone you were right about it. There's something oddly refreshing about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bflojohn Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 One point being LOST here is the FACT that J.P. Losman's teammates will have to "step it up" in their game playing! Veterans need to rally this team to better play across the board so the transition isn't as tough. If everyone goes to camp willing to hold the block a little longer or run out the pattern, even if they're NOT the primary reciever, or make the effort on every pass play to concentrate all the more.....THEN it becomes a team concept that elevates Losmans' game. One very important player this year will be Eric Moulds! Less drops and more leadership from him, in my opinion, is essential. Offensively, if Moulds is sold on J.P., then everyone will follow! In Mike Mularkey's second year, I'm banking on improvement across the board... offense, defense, and special teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornado681 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Im a huge Lossman supporter dont get me wrong....but having a QB with a name like LOSSman for us is just oozing bad karma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Bit unrealistic isn't it? A 10+ year vet got 3 years to show that he couldn't get the job done...why would you give JP anything less? 239277[/snapback] I do support the Bills and along with that comes their apparent decision to move JP to # 1. Bledsoe beyond the first 7-8 games 2002 has come up up short far more often than not so change is due. Being pragmatic, one has to accept that the success/failure rate of those seeking to play this position is heavily weighted towards failure. Not a knock on JP, just reality. The odds are probably well in favor of him being worse than Bledsoe. As for the "zero" comment, that really was more intended for those others here that have all the patience of a gnat. I'll give the kid some time, but if the Bills don't win 10 games or more this year, a strong argument could be made that he failed. No stepping backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I'm going to wait untill week 17 of the season before making any judgements ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Once you learn good, basic grammar, you're going to kick some serious ass around here. I'll give ya this much, Sue. You may have a lot of opinions about this team one way or another...and I have to say some of your ideas are, at times, kinda bothersome...but at least you never sound like you're taking the position strictly so you will one day remind everyone you were right about it. There's something oddly refreshing about that... 239444[/snapback] My ideas are smart ones sir. Starting this rookie will only fuel the miserable fires that are already burning here on the TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Nope, not me. 5-11 and 6-10 are not acceptable, especially when we have a QB currently under contract who has proven he can do better than that. The excuses are starting this soon? Playoffs is only goal, and a change in QB shouldn't change that. Screw the learning curve, we need the playoffs. If Buffalo can't make the playoffs with JP, he shouldn't friggin play. I am kinda getting sick of people saying that JP is an unproven kid, or that he is injury prone. First of all, the former is obvious, the latter is bull sh--. The point is, we are pretty sure JP isn't gonna take us to the Super Bowl next year. We are all well aware of that. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we went 5-11 or 6-10. Although I feel our defense and ST could probably win us several by themselves. But that being said, I promise to give the kid a chance. I will wait until AT LEAST week 8 before i make one comment about cutting him, beheading him, or equating him to Rob Johnson, or ANYTHING negative about him. I am going to give him a legitimate chance to prove himself. Should I break this promise, I will not post for a month. There. 239011[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 What the hell is this crap I'm reading now? Steve, you were the one that posted that your grandmother would've done just as well as Drew did this year. If our defense and special teams were solely responsible for a 9-7 record, and your grandmother would've equaled those wins, why the hell would you accept a 5 or 6 win season?! It's like everyone who wanted Drew gone (and are apparantly getting their wish) are now covering their ass saying, "Yeah, well, we probably won't be good next year." Why the hell would you take a 9-7 team that was one play away from making the playoffs and be ok with losing nearly 50% more games next season?!?! Remember, if NC knocks down the ball against the Jags, if SOMEBODY knocks the ball down in the EZ against the Jags, if CV doesn't hold against the Jags, if Henry doesn't trip over a gopher against the Raiders, if NC's punt return isn't called back on a phantom hold, if Spikes is given a safety for being held in the EZ against Oakland, if Baker doesn't get burned for a long TD against the Raiders, if Henry gets 1 yard against the Pats (next play was a fumble for a TD), if the defense doesn't allow the Jets to score on their last possession, if Lindell doesn't miss the fieldgoal against the Steelers, if Reed doesn't throw an illegal pick (away from the play) against the Steelers, etc, etc, we would've been in the playoffs WITH DREW BLEDSOE AS QB. Why the hell is everyone in this thread saying, "We'll give him a few years??" In a couple of years our defense will most likely NOT be as dominant, nor will our special teams. We went 9-7 last year (a WINNING record), and now you're willing to go to a Bengal-like 5 win season? What the F??? Let me condsense this: Nobody is worse than Bledsoe at QB, he sucks! Let's put in a rookie and be happy with 5 wins instead of 9!!!! HUH?! CW 239097[/snapback] this is the best post I have seen on the subject, well done Fezmid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 What the hell is this crap I'm reading now? Steve, you were the one that posted that your grandmother would've done just as well as Drew did this year. If our defense and special teams were solely responsible for a 9-7 record, and your grandmother would've equaled those wins, why the hell would you accept a 5 or 6 win season?! It's like everyone who wanted Drew gone (and are apparantly getting their wish) are now covering their ass saying, "Yeah, well, we probably won't be good next year." Why the hell would you take a 9-7 team that was one play away from making the playoffs and be ok with losing nearly 50% more games next season?!?! Remember, if NC knocks down the ball against the Jags, if SOMEBODY knocks the ball down in the EZ against the Jags, if CV doesn't hold against the Jags, if Henry doesn't trip over a gopher against the Raiders, if NC's punt return isn't called back on a phantom hold, if Spikes is given a safety for being held in the EZ against Oakland, if Baker doesn't get burned for a long TD against the Raiders, if Henry gets 1 yard against the Pats (next play was a fumble for a TD), if the defense doesn't allow the Jets to score on their last possession, if Lindell doesn't miss the fieldgoal against the Steelers, if Reed doesn't throw an illegal pick (away from the play) against the Steelers, etc, etc, we would've been in the playoffs WITH DREW BLEDSOE AS QB. Why the hell is everyone in this thread saying, "We'll give him a few years??" In a couple of years our defense will most likely NOT be as dominant, nor will our special teams. We went 9-7 last year (a WINNING record), and now you're willing to go to a Bengal-like 5 win season? What the F??? Let me condsense this: Nobody is worse than Bledsoe at QB, he sucks! Let's put in a rookie and be happy with 5 wins instead of 9!!!! HUH?! CW 239097[/snapback] You got it. This is my issue as well. Everyone seems to be okay with a 6 win season just so long as Bledsoe isn't QB. Well no it isn't. Yeah Drew hasn't put us in the playoffs and yes he looks pretty stupid at times, but he has had two seasons at .500 or better. JP best season as a QB in college is 5-7. He doesn't know how to win. Not sure why he is so cocky he doesn't have the record to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDaily Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Here's the issue... the column in the Buffalo news said it best. Tom Donahoe said the team will not do anything to take a step back next year... going with Losman is better for the long run but the team will likely take a step back. I don't want to here Donahoe say we have to be patient since he's a young QB. He can't have it both ways. I am kinda getting sick of people saying that JP is an unproven kid, or that he is injury prone. First of all, the former is obvious, the latter is bull sh--. The point is, we are pretty sure JP isn't gonna take us to the Super Bowl next year. We are all well aware of that. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we went 5-11 or 6-10. Although I feel our defense and ST could probably win us several by themselves. But that being said, I promise to give the kid a chance. I will wait until AT LEAST week 8 before i make one comment about cutting him, beheading him, or equating him to Rob Johnson, or ANYTHING negative about him. I am going to give him a legitimate chance to prove himself. Should I break this promise, I will not post for a month. There. 239011[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Bah! Gouge out his eyes and toss him to the jackals! 239203[/snapback] Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless Homer Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I'm considering treating him like all quarterbacks are treated around here. No credit for the wins, all the credit for the losses. If the team goes 16-0, I see no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Let me condsense this: Nobody is worse than Bledsoe at QB, he sucks! Let's put in a rookie and be happy with 5 wins instead of 9!!!! HUH?! CW 239097[/snapback] I wont speak for anyone else, but your above statement does not apply to me. Yes, Bledsoe can get you 8 or 9 wins and maybe even sneak into the playoffs, but that's about as far as you are going with him. He would fall hard in the playoffs and the season would be over. I'm not going to be happy that the Bills may take a step back in 2005 with JP, but I think the chances of that happening are the same as the chances are that he could get us in the playoffs in 2005. Lets say the Bills end up with 6 wins next year, but JP shows progress throughout the season. Is this any worse than an up and down offense led by DB that gets us to 8 or 9 wins? All this does is prolong the development of your QB of the future. So the Bills got 2 or 3 more wins with DB at QB...whoop de do! He is not getting better with age. It is time to move on. Oh by the way....JP will not be a rookie in 2005. To those folks saying that the decision to go with JP is the wrong one...are you the same people over the last three years who when defending Bledsoe would say..."do you know more than TD & MM?". If the Bills management and coaches go with JP over DB in 2005 and you have formed the opninion that this is a grave mistake, is it now okay for me to ask you...Do you know more than TD & MM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 To those folks saying that the decision to go with JP is the wrong one...are you the same people over the last three years who when defending Bledsoe would say..."do you know more than TD & MM?". If the Bills management and coaches go with JP over DB in 2005 and you have formed the opninion that this is a grave mistake, is it now okay for me to ask you...Do you know more than TD & MM? 239596[/snapback] I have always stated that Bills management knows more than I do. But if they come out and say the decision is not based on skill but rather on the need to get Losman some time in the system, I will be pissed. But if they say he is the best answer to win now, then I support the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 To those folks saying that the decision to go with JP is the wrong one...are you the same people over the last three years who when defending Bledsoe would say..."do you know more than TD & MM?". If the Bills management and coaches go with JP over DB in 2005 and you have formed the opninion that this is a grave mistake, is it now okay for me to ask you...Do you know more than TD & MM? 239596[/snapback] Even though I never defended Bledsoe with that excuse (I was always of the "I'll worry about Bledsoe when the friggin' line starts blocking" milieu)... ...I know less than the Cinncinatti or San Diego brain trusts, and they chose Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. Just because they "know more", doesn't mean they're "right". I'd wager that for all their knowledge and experience, the Bills' front office's expectations of a highly touted young QB are no less a crap shoot than anyone's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I can promise you this. If JP decides to bail out and run more often than not and dive at players' ankles instead of sliding, he will not last more than 3 games next season. He needs to make a committment in the offseason to use his legs for buying extra time in the pocket, not take off every chance he gets. He should scramble when it's to the sidelines and for the 1st down marker. Even the greats like Vick and McNabb have publicly said that scrambling too much is very tough on the body and they both try to stay in the pocket more. Our coaching staff needs to train JP to be patient. His legs could buy him an extra 1.5 to 2 seconds in the pocket more than Bledsoe ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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