GG Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 "Some coaches" were not in favor of the move was the term. Do you think Graham would name Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 These people complaining wouldn't merit a Graham tweet. Far less has merited tweets from Timmah. I believe he has a source close to Brandon, who probably told him the marketing folks were pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do you think Graham would name Ryan? I wish Graham would name someone already and stop being so vague about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 "Some coaches" were not in favor of the move was the term. No. Read through his twitter feed (which I just did). Coaches, people in football ops, etc. means more than "some coaches." To be honest, I'm going to move on because I realize I'm arguing with people that think Whaley is a good gm. I think he's run of the mill -- good on defensive talent; lousy on the qb -- and also a bureaucratic infighter. He might be better at the player side of things than his predecessors, but that's not saying much. But if the team gets to 8-8 (the Bills real record last year if that Pats game had mattered at all), all of the sudden he's a great roster builder. I need to see a lot more than that before arriving at this conclusion. But this board features a lot of people who are inherently pro-management, so the conversation has predictably drifted to the point where it is now ("hard-headed" pro-Whaley folks snarking at the Jackson loyalists while also resorting to the cheapest trick in the book, blaming the media). Anyway, I thought it was a dumb decision to cut Jackson for more than one reason. I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do you think Graham would name Ryan? Oh my god, he would be the first to tweet it. That would be Christmas for Timmah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Yup. He pissed someone off in the marketing department who went right to Tim Graham. And yet he tweeted it. The term "football ops" would never be the marketing department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Brown has fumbled once in the last two years and there is no way he should have lost it. Scott Chandler had it in both of his hands, a simple recovery. He should have had it, but there was luck involved. The key point is that it was open field strip. That is EXACTLY what happened when he played for the Eagles. That's why he was considered such a fumbler there. Hell, don't rely on me -- just ask Rex Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Far less has merited tweets from Timmah. I believe he has a source close to Brandon, who probably told him the marketing folks were pissed. especially when he followed it right up with the tweet about M&T's campaign being embarrassing because they didn't have a heads up. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I love that the net of this thread is that Tim Graham is an idiot who sucks at his job. What a jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 No. Read through his twitter feed (which I just did). Coaches, people in football ops, etc. means more than "some coaches." To be honest, I'm going to move on because I realize I'm arguing with people that think Whaley is a good gm. I think he's run of the mill -- good on defensive talent; lousy on the qb -- and also a bureaucratic infighter. He might be better at the player side of things than his predecessors, but that's not saying much. But if the team gets to 8-8 (the Bills real record last year if that Pats game had mattered at all), all of the sudden he's a great roster builder. I need to see a lot more than that before arriving at this conclusion. But this board features a lot of people who are inherently pro-management, so the conversation has predictably drifted to the point where it is now ("hard-headed" pro-Whaley folks snarking at the Jackson loyalists while also resorting to the cheapest trick in the book, blaming the media). Anyway, I thought it was a dumb decision to cut Jackson for more than one reason. I'll leave it at that. "Pro-management", "pro-Whaley" posters are doing the job they were hired to do. Social media damage control is all business, and after a classless move like unceremoniously dumping the face of the franchise against the coaches wishes you can bet they are in all-hands-on-deck mode.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 What did he want to hear, exactly? Fred seems like a smart guy. I'm sure he can figure this out without Whaley telling him there's no room for an 34-year-old RB/locker room cheerleader when other, more important, players need to be extended. Common man. THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Do you think Graham would name Ryan? GG, given Brandon's connection to Marrone, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Whaley aren't the greatest of friends. They can work together, of course, so who really knows. But I doubt they hang out with each other ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The term "football ops" would never be the marketing department. VP of Communications and VP of Corporate Relations are part of the Footbal Ops department, according to the Bills website. That's basically the PR department. Pretty close and they would have dealt with a complaint from M&T about Fred being cut after they had made an ad already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 "Pro-management", "pro-Whaley" posters are doing the job they were hired to do. Social media damage control is all business, and after a classless move like unceremoniously dumping the face of the franchise against the coaches wishes you can bet they are in all-hands-on-deck mode.. Wait, wait...seriously? You're going on record here as saying that you believe that folks that think Whaley is a good GM are plants hired by the team to say this stuff on a message board? Thanks for that...I now know that I should never again take anything you post here seriously. VP of Communications and VP of Corporate Relations are part of the Footbal Ops department, according to the Bills website. That's basically the PR department. Pretty close and they would have dealt with a complaint from M&T about Fred being cut after they had made an ad already. I really do think you're onto something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 No. Read through his twitter feed (which I just did). Coaches, people in football ops, etc. means more than "some coaches." To be honest, I'm going to move on because I realize I'm arguing with people that think Whaley is a good gm. I think he's run of the mill -- good on defensive talent; lousy on the qb -- and also a bureaucratic infighter. He might be better at the player side of things than his predecessors, but that's not saying much. But if the team gets to 8-8 (the Bills real record last year if that Pats game had mattered at all), all of the sudden he's a great roster builder. I need to see a lot more than that before arriving at this conclusion. But this board features a lot of people who are inherently pro-management, so the conversation has predictably drifted to the point where it is now ("hard-headed" pro-Whaley folks snarking at the Jackson loyalists while also resorting to the cheapest trick in the book, blaming the media). Anyway, I thought it was a dumb decision to cut Jackson for more than one reason. I'll leave it at that. I read through his Twitter feed and have been. He's been backtracking. And his word choice is very telling. He's not talking about anyone that needed to know. Key people in administration and football ops (very likely Russ Brandon) do not need to be told of cuts. That is not their job. I would have kept Fred Jackson, too. For what it's worth. There is not a chance in hell that Rex was not on board with this. He's the only coach that matters. I'm absolutely positive that Roman was consulted. He may not have been on board, who knows, but a GM has to make tough decisions. And again, I would have kept Fred. But I understand why it was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I really do think you're onto something here. It makes sense in my head, especially with how Graham followed up the tweet of "going rogue" with the one about launching an ad and it being embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 NFL GM's seem in general to be phony pieces of ****. I was listening to a podcast (The Church of What's Happening Now with Joey Diaz) with Kyle Turley and he was talking about his departure from the Saints and how the general manager would go into the locker room and be all buddy buddy with the players after wins. But then that same GM would bash those players in negotiations to not only their own agent (Which is just business kind of fair) but to other players agents and pretty much anyone in the organization. After listening to that and knowing there really isn't any loyalty in the NFL, I am not surprised to see Whaley be that kind of guy. But as long as Whaley is making the right calls and doing his job well, as a fan you have to like him on some level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 VP of Communications and VP of Corporate Relations are part of the Footbal Ops department, according to the Bills website. That's basically the PR department. Pretty close and they would have dealt with a complaint from M&T about Fred being cut after they had made an ad already. Good point. As i say above, i thiink there's more to the marrone story than we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Oh my god, he would be the first to tweet it. That would be Christmas for Timmah. Not if the source is close to Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 He should have had it, but there was luck involved. The key point is that it was open field strip. That is EXACTLY what happened when he played for the Eagles. That's why he was considered such a fumbler there. Hell, don't rely on me -- just ask Rex Ryan. It was an open field strip but it wasn't like he was being careless with the ball. He can't cough the ball up, that is for sure. But Fred fumbled 5 times last year in about 200 touches. Brown has fumbled once in the last two with about 140 touches or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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