thewildrabbit Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The article is a joke. Glenn was the best lineman on the team last season, and would have looked better if he had a better player next to him. Along with a better coaching staff. Henderson at least played, and when he did he mostly stunk it up. He graded as one of of the very worst OT's in the league. Watch him deftly block Mack.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 one of the worst Starting Tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Alot of people feel he could be an All Pro G. He was seen by most of the league as a guard coming out of college, rated as the 2nd best in the class behind DeCastro. He is a decent/good LT. He is not the athlete most teams want to have at LT. He could be a monster inside. The money difference for him if that's the case is neglible. IMO, he is looking for a deal similar to what Jared Veldheer signed with Arizona and the Eugene Monroe extension in Baltimore. Basically, between $30 and $40 million, averaging around 7 mil/yr cap hit. Honestly, I'd take Veldheer or Monroe over Glenn at LT at this point. IMO, he is not worth that type of deal based on his play thus far. He is no where near the pass blocker he needs to be to be lumped in with those guys. If he moves inside and dominates, he could easily clear $7 mil/yr. If he stays as an average LT, $7 mil/yr is his ceiling. See, I'd say in earning potential you are framing it backwards. And value too. (And that's ignoring I think you low ball his talent) As a front office member why pay him (conservatively) 7-8m for a position he's never played if you could just get an all pro at that position for 8m (iupati)? On the flip - why would he want 8 as an all pro if he could get 8 for average with room to grow if he shows better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The article is a joke. Glenn was the best lineman on the team last season, and would have looked better if he had a better player next to him. Along with a better coaching staff. Henderson at least played, and when he did he mostly stunk it up. He graded as one of of the very worst OT's in the league. Watch him deftly block Mack.... Holy Crap! Alot of people feel he could be an All Pro G. He was seen by most of the league as a guard coming out of college, rated as the 2nd best in the class behind DeCastro.You He is a decent/good LT. He is not the athlete most teams want to have at LT. He could be a monster inside. The money difference for him if that's the case is neglible. IMO, he is looking for a deal similar to what Jared Veldheer signed with Arizona and the Eugene Monroe extension in Baltimore. Basically, between $30 and $40 million, averaging around 7 mil/yr cap hit. Honestly, I'd take Veldheer or Monroe over Glenn at LT at this point. IMO, he is not worth that type of deal based on his play thus far. He is no where near the pass blocker he needs to be to be lumped in with those guys. If he moves inside and dominates, he could easily clear $7 mil/yr. If he stays as an average LT, $7 mil/yr is his ceiling. You dont get it......while you have a perceived value on his play I guarentee you that he and his agent do not feel that way..... It is REALLY difficult to find quality left tackles......we have one right now playing left tackle....he needs to stay there....have you forgotten the years from Peters to Glenn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) See, I'd say in earning potential you are framing it backwards. And value too. (And that's ignoring I think you low ball his talent) As a front office member why pay him (conservatively) 7-8m for a position he's never played if you could just get an all pro at that position for 8m (iupati)? On the flip - why would he want 8 as an all pro if he could get 8 for average with room to grow if he shows better? He ranked 8th out of all LTs in 2013 according to PFF. Didn't Crack the top 10 last year. He is currently a middle of the road LT. He needs a big year at the position to get that $8 mil/yr. That is not average LT money. Holy Crap! You dont get it......while you have a perceived value on his play I guarentee you that he and his agent do not feel that way..... It is REALLY difficult to find quality left tackles......we have one right now playing left tackle....he needs to stay there....have you forgotten the years from Peters to Glenn? I'd be fine extending him around $7 mil/yr, but I wouldn't be penciling him in as our LT for the next 10 years. Get him extended, find/develop a better LT, move Glenn inside. He could be a top 5 G. He also might not be able to physically do the things they want their LT to be able to do. Edited June 4, 2015 by BrooklynBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 If Kouiandjio can play RT there is no chance he is dealt. If Henderson really can play LT then holy crap. Enn moves to LG. They then can franchise him as a guard. He will be pissed but not much he can do about it. He might be a Pro Bowl LG. He will still make a ton of money. Marrone destroyed the entire offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He ranked 8th out of all LTs in 2013 according to PFF. Didn't Crack the top 10 last year. He is currently a middle of the road LT. He needs a big year at the position to get that $8 mil/yr. That is not average LT money. I'd be fine extending him around $7 mil/yr, but I wouldn't be penciling him in as our LT for the next 10 years. Get him extended, find/develop a better LT, move Glenn inside. He could be a top 5 G. He also might not be able to physically do the things they want their LT to be able to do. So let me see if I understand this....... Just 2 years ago Glenn rates as the 8th overall LT (in the entire NFL out of 32 professional teams) Last year he drops a bit when there was clearly something wrong with him and horrible coaching I just want make sure I am following along Now because of crappy coaching and a ailment we are supposed to forget that Glenn was in the top 10 of LT's........and keep that ever facinating dream of moving this guy into LG like he would actually accept that move after being a top 10 LT.......so that the bills can solidify the position (and of course to pay him less) LAY OFF THE CRACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Have there been any comments from Rex about wanting to use Glenn as a swing tackle? Or do we just have the Carucci comments at this point? I didn't see Rex say anything about it yesterday during his mefia session (wasn't asked, other than saying Kouandjoie has looked good). I'm just checking because he saw comments on Twitter like "Rex wants to use Glenn as a swing tackle" and wondering if there was any real substance to it. Edited June 4, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Pfff Glenn is a lock at LT; the others are getting reps for both evaluation, experience. Williams will be cut, no doubt about it, left side to center is all set, battle is for right side and backups. Opening day O-line barring injuries will be: Glenn-Icognito-Wood- Miller/Urbik/Richardson/Kouandjio - Kouandjio/Henderson Edited June 4, 2015 by bladiebla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Would be great if Miller is a Plug and Play at RG http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/6/3/8718047/could-henderson-kouandjio-be-opening-day-startersVic Carcucci of The Buffalo News thinks the Bills and Greg Roman love what they are seeing from Seantrel Henderson at left tackle and Cyrus Kouandjio at right tackle. That would great news to have that option. Edited June 4, 2015 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/6/3/8718047/could-henderson-kouandjio-be-opening-day-starters Vic Carcucci of The Buffalo News thinks the Bills and Greg Roman love what they are seeing from Seantrel Henderson at left tackle and Cyrus Kouandjio at right tackle. assuming they like these two enough to be starters, then glenn would be moved to guard. seeing as glenn is better than the both of em, this is a coach puffing up/pushing a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) beginning of the article.........Vic Carcucci of The Buffalo News thinks there is no basis for any of this except Carucci has space to fill...do you guys really think Henderson and Kujo will be our starting T opening day? Edited June 4, 2015 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He ranked 8th out of all LTs in 2013 according to PFF. Didn't Crack the top 10 last year. He is currently a middle of the road LT. He needs a big year at the position to get that $8 mil/yr. That is not average LT money. I'd be fine extending him around $7 mil/yr, but I wouldn't be penciling him in as our LT for the next 10 years. Get him extended, find/develop a better LT, move Glenn inside. He could be a top 5 G. He also might not be able to physically do the things they want their LT to be able to do. 8m per would be 12th in existing contracts and over 4m off the lead at LT giving him upward mobility. You and I can haggle over a few hundred thousand but my point is that same 8m is 2nd among left guards and only 500k off the top deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 They lost their swing tackle (Hariston) in FA. Probably just making sure Henderson has comfort with both tackle positions - for a backup role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 this isn't popular but I have a feeling they are planning for when they will lose him in FA. I think they will make him a fair offer but they won't break the bank like they will for Dareus and Gilmore, and he will leave for more money on open market (don't blame him) Not for the first time Yolo has nailed it IMO. I think that Glenn is very much in the plans this year, but he is a proven commodity who has shown he can play. If the sense they have from the snaps he has got so far is that he is on point in the scheme then you spend as much time as you can trying to work with your young guys. Especially if you are looking at your impending FAs next off-season and seeing Dareus (big money), Gilmore (big money), and Bradham (who won't be cheap either) as well as Glenn. If Glenn plays at the level of 2013 he moves up the order as a must keep, but if he plays at last year's level he might be 4th priority out of 4 when the $$$ are being handed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) this isn't popular but I have a feeling they are planning for when they will lose him in FA. I think they will make him a fair offer but they won't break the bank like they will for Dareus and Gilmore, and he will leave for more money on open market (don't blame him) Not for the first time Yolo has nailed it IMO. I think that Glenn is very much in the plans this year, but he is a proven commodity who has shown he can play. If the sense they have from the snaps he has got so far is that he is on point in the scheme then you spend as much time as you can trying to work with your young guys. Especially if you are looking at your impending FAs next off-season and seeing Dareus (big money), Gilmore (big money), and Bradham (who won't be cheap either) as well as Glenn. If Glenn plays at the level of 2013 he moves up the order as a must keep, but if he plays at last year's level he might be 4th priority out of 4 when the $$$ are being handed out. These are all good points. I don't know about the order of priority for retaining players, but I do know that the Bills have some tough decisions ahead of them. They've been adding players like Clay and Harvin and retained Hughes, but there is little cap room left this year and next. I don't know how Glenn isn't a priority though. The OL is shaky as is, but looks absolutely abysmal without him. I'd love to know what the plan is. Edited to add: A long term deal done next offseason for Gilmore could free up some space in 2016. He is set to make $11M that season and his per year won't be that much below that, but it would help in 2016. Restructuring Clay's $10M roster bonus to a signing bonus will free up $7.5M in 2016. Opting out of Harvin's contract will free up $8M. So it is possible to retain several of the group mentioned. The problem is that we are looking at some of the highest paid positions in this group so we won't be able to keep everyone. Edited June 4, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 They lost their swing tackle (Hariston) in FA. Probably just making sure Henderson has comfort with both tackle positions - for a backup role. Which has the perk of our LT at LT our RT at RT and the young guy getting a demotion also getting time at LT which is more premium and may someday be open. Less trouble all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Dareus is 1st priority - Doug has said as much, they want to get it done before the season ideally. I have to believe that in Rex's scheme the corner position is valued extremely highly. If Gilmore can have a year where he is consistently a shut down corner (rather than the up, down nature of his career so far) then he surely becomes the 2nd priority, especially as his game seems ideally suited to Rex's scheme. Then Bradham and Glenn I think it will come down to performance but I can't find a way to keep them all..... then again I am a fan looking at the numbers as an amateur. I think restructuring Mario and Clay are the two obvious ones.... not keeping Harvin is another.... but even so hard to find money for all 4 of those FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Dareus is 1st priority - Doug has said as much, they want to get it done before the season ideally. I have to believe that in Rex's scheme the corner position is valued extremely highly. If Gilmore can have a year where he is consistently a shut down corner (rather than the up, down nature of his career so far) then he surely becomes the 2nd priority, especially as his game seems ideally suited to Rex's scheme. Then Bradham and Glenn I think it will come down to performance but I can't find a way to keep them all..... then again I am a fan looking at the numbers as an amateur. I think restructuring Mario and Clay are the two obvious ones.... not keeping Harvin is another.... but even so hard to find money for all 4 of those FAs. How hard have you tried in dealing with actual numbers in your inability to find a way to keep them all? Or is that more of a gut thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 How hard have you tried in dealing with actual numbers in your inability to find a way to keep them all? Or is that more of a gut thing? I have. I've been looking at overthecap.com and spotrac.com. Not only can you find team salary cap info and player info there, they also have positional spending breakdowns. Once you determine comparable players, or which tier someone belongs in, then it is fairly easy to see what a player's next contract will probably look like. Actually working through this whole issue might make a nice thread of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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