Bills Teammates Rave about Tyrod Taylor

[C.Biscuit97]

It cant all be attributed to one place or blamed on one place. Orton had his moments (even though you hate him). He completed over 64% of his passes, threw for over 3,000 yards, had 18 TDs to 10 INTs and an 87.8 rating. He was EXACTLY what they hoped he would be, a stable vet. If you extrapolate his number over a 16 game season you are looking at 4,024 yards 24 TDs and 13 INTs. That would have put him 12th in yards, 14th in TDs and 13th in completion percentage. If the Bills QBs rank at those exact spots league wide this year they will win the Super Bowl.

This has been the longest offseason ever!!!

Just to clarify my feelings on Orton (and they are very similar to Cassel). I LOVED Orton as a backup. I absolutely hated the idea of him as a starter. Before he started a game, I heard a DEnver sports host say that Orton was good between the 20s and struggled in the red zone. That's exactly what he did last year.

 

IMO, I think EJ could have been just as productive as Orton and may have improved as the season went on. Again, him and Tannehill had the same exact start to the 2014 season. But who the hell knows? And that was the killer about last season. We don't know as more about EJ, one way or the other. We don't have either Orton or Marrone (awesome!), so what was really accomplished? 9-7 has no bearing on this season.

 

My philosophy is very consistent. You should the high draft pick young QB get every chance to win the job over the passed around journeyman vet. Cassel and Orton are who they are at this point. Good solid careers, but who aren't going to elevate your team. I hate Johnny Football, but the Browns shoudl give him every chance to win the job over McCown.

 

So I never hated Orton. I just hated what he represented. And that has been Bills footbal football for the last 15 years. We have been a joke at developing QBs.

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

Once he knew he was retiring he went downhill

really? that's your rational?

 

I'd buy it in week 17, not week 12 - 15

 

If so Maron(e) fugged up by not realizing KO had called it quits and therefore KO was NOT the best option to win.

[FLFan]

Just to clarify my feelings on Orton (and they are very similar to Cassel). I LOVED Orton as a backup. I absolutely hated the idea of him as a starter. Before he started a game, I heard a DEnver sports host say that Orton was good between the 20s and struggled in the red zone. That's exactly what he did last year.

 

IMO, I think EJ could have been just as productive as Orton and may have improved as the season went on. Again, him and Tannehill had the same exact start to the 2014 season. But who the hell knows? And that was the killer about last season. We don't know as more about EJ, one way or the other. We don't have either Orton or Marrone (awesome!), so what was really accomplished? 9-7 has no bearing on this season.

 

My philosophy is very consistent. You should the high draft pick young QB get every chance to win the job over the passed around journeyman vet. Cassel and Orton are who they are at this point. Good solid careers, but who aren't going to elevate your team. I hate Johnny Football, but the Browns shoudl give him every chance to win the job over McCown.

 

So I never hated Orton. I just hated what he represented. And that has been Bills footbal football for the last 15 years. We have been a joke at developing QBs.

 

Could not agree more and posted very much the same thing in the EJ/press speculation thread. Last year was a complete waste at the QB position. Orton was not a long term answer and we wasted the opportunity to give EJ the experience necessary to make a determination on him. Now we are back in the same place. I blame Marrone mostly, but Whaley deserves some blame as well for caving on the issue. It seems to me that Whaley's plan was EJ or bust last year which is why only Lewis and Tuel we are on the roster as backups to begin camp. Marrone stomped his feet and got Orton, who he elevated to starter as soon as he could. Big mistake in my opinion.

[GG]

Just to clarify my feelings on Orton (and they are very similar to Cassel). I LOVED Orton as a backup. I absolutely hated the idea of him as a starter. Before he started a game, I heard a DEnver sports host say that Orton was good between the 20s and struggled in the red zone. That's exactly what he did last year.

 

IMO, I think EJ could have been just as productive as Orton and may have improved as the season went on. Again, him and Tannehill had the same exact start to the 2014 season. But who the hell knows? And that was the killer about last season. We don't know as more about EJ, one way or the other. We don't have either Orton or Marrone (awesome!), so what was really accomplished? 9-7 has no bearing on this season.

 

My philosophy is very consistent. You should the high draft pick young QB get every chance to win the job over the passed around journeyman vet. Cassel and Orton are who they are at this point. Good solid careers, but who aren't going to elevate your team. I hate Johnny Football, but the Browns shoudl give him every chance to win the job over McCown.

 

So I never hated Orton. I just hated what he represented. And that has been Bills footbal football for the last 15 years. We have been a joke at developing QBs.

 

You're also ignoring the minor tidbit that EJ apparently lost the confidence of his WRs after game four and I imagine that played greatly into Marrone's decision. I think it's a stretch to say that EJ would have turned his game around as the season wore on, because his game was getting progressively worse while the OL was not improving. Keeping EJ on the field would have been an even earlier career suicide for Marrone & EJ.

[nucci]

really? that's your rational?

 

I'd buy it in week 17, not week 12 - 15

 

If so Maron(e) fugged up by not realizing KO had called it quits and therefore KO was NOT the best option to win.

He should have been benched then released as soon as he slid short on 4th down against Denver.

[NoSaint]

The question why the issue with EJ. I stated mine and I think many others opinion, along with some facts to support that opinion.

 

RT averages 234 yards per game, 34 more than EJ. RT averages and always has a half yard more per throw. His TD to Int ratio even after his second year was a little better but not great. RT has over a 60% completion. RT has also improved every year, EJ slide back under the same coach.

 

Also, if EJ was a 2nd rounder people would be okay with him being the backup and giving him more time. He is in an odd situation making 1st round money and expected to live up to a first round pick. Not be a career backup. If he was a 2nd rounder most people would be okay with the time to develop and if he only became a backup so be it.

 

Again, he was rated by Scouts as the 6th best QB in a very bad draft class. I think half these guys are out of the league already.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/year/2013

 

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/ej-manuel-and-the-sunk-cost-fallacy-25e5dd1e3b79

year 1 tannehill averaged 205 ypg.

their career YPA are .34 yards apart

tannehill year 1 completion percentage -- 58, same as EJ

EJ better td:int their first two years (each year individually, and obviously collectively)

 

RT did progress each year, but was given more than 4 games to do so.

 

EJ signed a 4 year 8.8m contract. his salary this year is just 1.2m

his 2.2m average salary ranks him 38th among qb contracts (and second on his own team)

 

and of the top 6, we have EJ, Geno starting, glennon as a backup with starting experience, barkley and nassib both as backups and still with their original team, and tyler wilson as the only free agent.

 

other than that, i didnt notice anything i took much issue with.

[John from Riverside]

I am not personally tied to any of these QB's anymore......i dont care which one of them starts as long as they are productive at the position.

[dulles]

I was interested until I saw that one of the two players cited was a linebacker. I know that we've lowered our level of expectations for "quarterback" expertise, but not that much. Let's wait for comments like this from Roman, etc.

[1billsfan]

Correct.

 

I am not sold on any of these guys. I do believe, my opinion, that MC probably gives us best chance to win now. But I don't discount any of the 3 to be able to step up. They all seem to have certain things they do well or sell that should make them viable. EJ has all of the physical side wrapped up, MC has experience and a few proven seasons in past, TT has all of the athletic capability. However, they all have huge question marks around them. EJ and his ability to see the field and make accurate throws, MC on his up and don and never a consistent QB plus his age, TT on his size and accuracy. Personally I wish we'd have gotten Bradford from the Rams. He's got injury problems, but if we could have protected him, would have been, IMO, the best choice.

 

While that may have been true last year, I think that the now older and wiser Manuel gives the Bills just as good of a chance as Cassel. Cutting to the chase, Cassel doesn't have that big, fast mobile QB x-factor that Manuel provides. Is Cassel slightly more accurate? Sure, but Manuel will force the opposing defense to defend the whole field plus the QB in red zone situations if Manuel does indeed have trust from his coaches and in himself to start using his legs with semi-regularity and with success. The Bills were a joke in the red zone whether it was with Manuel or with Orton. IMO the red zone issues don't change that much with Cassel in there and the record isn't any better with him either.

 

As for Taylor, I see him as a real wild card and if he's the surprise winner then I'm all in because like EJ, he would provide that x-factor in the red zone. The Bills offense will be scary if either Manuel or Taylor becomes a successful running threat to go along with being at least an average NFL passing QB.

 

The Bills need to see what they have in either Manuel or Taylor this year because IMO there will be at least two and maybe even three big QB names available next year through trade or free agency. Wilson, E. Manning, Brees, Kaepernick, RGIII are QBs who their current teams may move on from given how crazy the salary cap comes into play and whether a teams just wants to move on with that 20 million in their pocket to rebuild with a younger guy. Let's first see if the guy is here already.

[John from Riverside]

Just to clarify my feelings on Orton (and they are very similar to Cassel). I LOVED Orton as a backup. I absolutely hated the idea of him as a starter. Before he started a game, I heard a DEnver sports host say that Orton was good between the 20s and struggled in the red zone. That's exactly what he did last year.

 

IMO, I think EJ could have been just as productive as Orton and may have improved as the season went on. Again, him and Tannehill had the same exact start to the 2014 season. But who the hell knows? And that was the killer about last season. We don't know as more about EJ, one way or the other. We don't have either Orton or Marrone (awesome!), so what was really accomplished? 9-7 has no bearing on this season.

 

My philosophy is very consistent. You should the high draft pick young QB get every chance to win the job over the passed around journeyman vet. Cassel and Orton are who they are at this point. Good solid careers, but who aren't going to elevate your team. I hate Johnny Football, but the Browns shoudl give him every chance to win the job over McCown.

 

So I never hated Orton. I just hated what he represented. And that has been Bills footbal football for the last 15 years. We have been a joke at developing QBs.

I usually agree with this....

 

however

 

I dont agree with it if you think you have a legit window of opportunity. This defense is biult to win now. We have to capitalize on that.

[NoSaint]

I usually agree with this....

 

however

 

I dont agree with it if you think you have a legit window of opportunity. This defense is biult to win now. We have to capitalize on that.

did you think that orton made us a legit contender to win the Super Bowl? if taking advantage of that window with the backup is for a wild card run, i get that once your in you never know, but....

[BuffaloHokie13]

I was interested until I saw that one of the two players cited was a linebacker. I know that we've lowered our level of expectations for "quarterback" expertise, but not that much. Let's wait for comments like this from Roman, etc.

Don't you think the title would be 'Bills Coaches Rave about Tyrod' instead of teammates if it was comments from Roman?

[C.Biscuit97]

I usually agree with this....

 

however

 

I dont agree with it if you think you have a legit window of opportunity. This defense is biult to win now. We have to capitalize on that.

IMO, guys like Orton or Cassel aren't many a ton of difference either way. I really don't think the dropoff between Cassel to Manuel (and possibly Taylor, he has never really in the NFL) is significant at all. Orton, most likely, would have been 2-2 to start the season and potentially quit after some of those Watt hits.

 

There is talk that Cassel is the safe choice but he has thrown more ints than tds his last 4 years. His completion % is less than a point higher than EJ's for their career.

 

Again, just my opinion, but the coaches shoudl give Manuel and Taylor every opportunity to win this job. Cassel is the steady vet guy who would be a great backup/ mentor. But we have a long way to go. But playing guys like Holcomb or Orton only get you so far.

[starrymessenger]

Nothing against NB but I'll wait till our wide receivers start raving about TT's accuracy before getting excited.

Early days. Very early.

[Koufax]

So Taylor never made it to 60% completion rate in any season in college while EJ never went below 65%.

 

I'm rooting for all three to perform well, but the only good news to come out of camp is EJ winning the job. Ryan has set it up where perception will be right that he earned it, and if he is the #2 he can save face and not be the starter who lost it. Obviously I don't think the decision has been made and it will be based on performance in camp, but the chances of being lead deep in the playoffs by:

 

1) Fitzpatrick Orton Cassel, a career meh who is older and has the profile of a backup.

2) The inaccurate in college too small, 6th rounder on his second team who has 29 pass attempts in the last four years.

3) The all the tools level headed 1st rounder who might not have gotten a fair chance under poor coaching, but needs to overcome some inconsistent decision making and accuracy questions from shown in his first 15 NFL games.

 

I think if you are a Bills fan you really have to hope that #3 is what happens, and while you root for the other two guys to perform, their ceilings are so low that winning with them would take a really best case scenario.

 

I'm not saying EJ has anything locked up, but he is definitely the horse we should all be backing in June, and very disappointed if he can't improve enough to beat those two guys out in August.

 

Putting aside Cassel's one year starting in NE, his overall career completion %, YPA, and INT% are all worse than EJ's, without the physical upside or hope that he is young enough to get better. The sooner he seizes the reins, Cassel grabs the clipboard, and the other two stop getting reps, the better chance this team has to be something special, and if he cannot, god help us all since the rest of the team will be solid enough to prevent us from getting a top QB in the 2016 draft either.

[BuffaloHokie13]

So Taylor never made it to 60% completion rate in any season in college while EJ never went below 65%.

 

I'm rooting for all three to perform well, but the only good news to come out of camp is EJ winning the job. Ryan has set it up where perception will be right that he earned it, and if he is the #2 he can save face and not be the starter who lost it. Obviously I don't think the decision has been made and it will be based on performance in camp, but the chances of being lead deep in the playoffs by:

 

1) Fitzpatrick Orton Cassel, a career meh who is older and has the profile of a backup.

2) The inaccurate in college too small, 6th rounder on his second team who has 29 pass attempts in the last four years.

3) The all the tools level headed 1st rounder who might not have gotten a fair chance under poor coaching, but needs to overcome some inconsistent decision making and accuracy questions from shown in his first 15 NFL games.

 

I think if you are a Bills fan you really have to hope that #3 is what happens, and while you root for the other two guys to perform, their ceilings are so low that winning with them would take a really best case scenario.

 

I'm not saying EJ has anything locked up, but he is definitely the horse we should all be backing in June, and very disappointed if he can't improve enough to beat those two guys out in August.

 

Putting aside Cassel's one year starting in NE, his overall career completion %, YPA, and INT% are all worse than EJ's, without the physical upside or hope that he is young enough to get better. The sooner he seizes the reins, Cassel grabs the clipboard, and the other two stop getting reps, the better chance this team has to be something special, and if he cannot, god help us all since the rest of the team will be solid enough to prevent us from getting a top QB in the 2016 draft either.

2 questions for you.

 

To your point #2, how many attempts do you think EJ would have gotten over the past 4 years if he was in Baltimore?

 

And as a true Bills fan, I hope either (or both) of the young guys steps up and becomes successful. EJ and Tyrod are practically the same age, why is EJ's success better for the Bills than Tyrod's? They are both on the team now regardless of when and what they were acquired for.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Please no. I will start out by saying I'm a EJ fan, but I want one of the two young QBs to win the starting job. I'm to the point I don't care if it's EJ or Tyrod anybody but Cassel.

This.... Tyrod or EJ offer hope and upside and unknown potential. Cassell is a journeyman bum.

[VABills]

So Taylor never made it to 60% completion rate in any season in college while EJ never went below 65%.

 

I'm rooting for all three to perform well, but the only good news to come out of camp is EJ winning the job. Ryan has set it up where perception will be right that he earned it, and if he is the #2 he can save face and not be the starter who lost it. Obviously I don't think the decision has been made and it will be based on performance in camp, but the chances of being lead deep in the playoffs by:

 

1) Fitzpatrick Orton Cassel, a career meh who is older and has the profile of a backup.

2) The inaccurate in college too small, 6th rounder on his second team who has 29 pass attempts in the last four years.

3) The all the tools level headed 1st rounder who might not have gotten a fair chance under poor coaching, but needs to overcome some inconsistent decision making and accuracy questions from shown in his first 15 NFL games.

 

I think if you are a Bills fan you really have to hope that #3 is what happens, and while you root for the other two guys to perform, their ceilings are so low that winning with them would take a really best case scenario.

 

I'm not saying EJ has anything locked up, but he is definitely the horse we should all be backing in June, and very disappointed if he can't improve enough to beat those two guys out in August.

 

Putting aside Cassel's one year starting in NE, his overall career completion %, YPA, and INT% are all worse than EJ's, without the physical upside or hope that he is young enough to get better. The sooner he seizes the reins, Cassel grabs the clipboard, and the other two stop getting reps, the better chance this team has to be something special, and if he cannot, god help us all since the rest of the team will be solid enough to prevent us from getting a top QB in the 2016 draft either.

1. Cassel and EJ are same size they are both 6-4. EJ is more athletic. But your size comparison is wrong.

 

2. Cassel is slightly better career wise on completion %, so strike 2.

 

3. Cassel has 96 tds vs 70 ints. EJ is 16 Tds vs 12 ints. Cassel has a better TD to INt ration of 1.37 vs 1.33 - Again you;re wrong.

 

4. Cassel is 6.6 YPA vs 6.4 for EJ. Again you're wrong.

 

While the hope is one of the younger wins, you are off on all of your actual facts.

 

Try again with real facts to support your cause. Just because you say it on the internet doesn't make it true.

[GG]

 

 

Try again with real facts to support your cause. Just because you say it on the internet doesn't make it true.

 

BTW, good to see you back

[VABills]

 

BTW, good to see you back

Thanks. Just been a little busy and preoccupied with life the last 3-4 years.