NoSaint Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 OC does matter to the success of a QB I give you that. If smith's stats are inflated because of playing from behind shouldn't Cams? Once again I think Cams good, no doubt, just not top four good In saying that I would have loved to see him come here. This team would be thinking Super Bowl. I think he probably was putting him above a lot of others because he's so young too. Not that he is the 4th best qb week 1. But I'm not 100% sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Cam newton deserves every penny. He had bums all over that OL last year. He will get a ring when alls said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Steve smith is a HOF WR. I guess that makes him one of the best WR's of all time. Or the very best #2 WR of all time - right there with Alvin Harper, I guess. Can Newton is overrated. But so is Rivers and E Manning. Flacco and Romo are underrated. Steve Smith in his prime was a HOF. He was a veteran's veteran in terms of prepping for the season but the Panther's only had M. Mohamed for a few years, otherwise he was a victim of bad QBs and teams. Cam is better than Flacco, and Eli IMO. Rivers, Manning are getting old. Hate Rapelesburger as a poor excuse for a human being(personal, I get it) and Romo has 2 (?!) playoff wins. He is great in the regular season but doesn't have the it factor that Cam has. Matt Ryan...Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If his back recovers from that truck accident he is well worth it, heck of a nice guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Cam newton deserves every penny. He had bums all over that OL last year. He will get a ring when alls said and done. Agreed. Their oline has been a joke for 2 years. Remember Mario owning their RT? They have whatever at rb. Newton is a stud. It's a joke to compare him to Cutler. He's already made the playoffs more times than smoking Jay. If him and Russell Wilson switch teams, is there any drop off? Much more worth the money than Dalton or Tannehill. Newton is really, really good. Edited June 2, 2015 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Aaron Rodgers, Ben roethlisberger, Andrew luck, Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson, tony Romo, drew Breeds, tom Brady, matt Ryan, joe flacco. for sure better. Even if a different system qb or style. Jay cutler, Andy Dalton, Colin kaepernick, cam newton... all about the same. Imagine ej Manuel with a better arm and more likely to run. Newton can't thread a needle, see the field and most importantly play QB. He propensity to run is a liability and it damages him. He needs to move the ball thru he air 8-12 yards instead of on the ground. He doesn't throw those passes because he can't make those passes. He makes highlights airing it out and you never see the ones sailing wildly by the WR. That's why they drafted Benjamin to haul them in and that's why Avant bad mouthed the team and Cam then was cut. Newton is a very good QB and would be our best since Bledsoe, but he is not a great QB just a great football player $100mm is about right for 5 years because in 3-4 years it'll be restructured to another 4-5 yr deal Tough to argue. Not the best position for these teams to have to resign their QBs when they are questionable. But, better than not having one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think he probably was putting him above a lot of others because he's so young too. Not that he is the 4th best qb week 1. But I'm not 100% sure If factoring in age then I could see a ranking near 4-6 spots, but fourth best opening day no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Living in Charlotte, I catch a good amount of games. He's a great QB, big arm, mobile and a leader. He definitely tries to do too much sometimes and that gets him into trouble. He thinks he has to be the savior on every play. And now that the team has been influx at skill positions, he's trying to do more than ever. Benjamin is definitely a stud, but Steve Smith leaving took this team down a few pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Aaron Rodgers, Ben roethlisberger, Andrew luck, Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson, tony Romo, drew Breeds, tom Brady, matt Ryan, joe flacco. for sure better. Even if a different system qb or style. Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton... all about the same. No way. Cam is better than any of those you grouped him with. Better arm, better pocket presence, better accuracy, just not a better team around him. If you give him the WR's/Forte that Cutler had in Chicago, Dalton or Kaep's OL, and he's putting up huge numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 No way. Cam is better than any of those you grouped him with. Better arm, better pocket presence, better accuracy, just not a better team around him. If you give him the WR's/Forte that Cutler had in Chicago, Dalton or Kaep's OL, and he's putting up huge numbers. Cam would wreck shop if he switched teams with Andy Dalton. All he needs is a few weapons. Hope funchess brings some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) No way. Cam is better than any of those you grouped him with. Better arm, better pocket presence, better accuracy, just not a better team around him. If you give him the WR's/Forte that Cutler had in Chicago, Dalton or Kaep's OL, and he's putting up huge numbers. by pocket presence you mean, scramble and run for his life if a flea sneezes 10' from him? Dude has no poise. Dalton has more attempts, more TD's, more yards, better pass %, and only .2% worse QBR. And only played in two less games them Cam. Now you can argue that Newton is banged up and plays hurt that's because he runs too much and has been hit more then double any other QB, maybe triple - can't remember - because he actually has NO pocket presence. He doesn't throw it away. Either folds like a deck chair or runs like a fool. QB's pass. Cutler has accuracy. Newton does not. He is just a cannon that lobs it Cutler has more INT% but better Comp%, and has played in very bad systems. If you took Cutler and put him in Newton jersey you'd never know the difference. Edited June 2, 2015 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 by pocket presence you mean, scramble and run for his life if a flea sneezes 10' from him? Dude has no poise. Dalton has more attempts, more TD's, more yards, better pass %, and only .2% worse QBR. And only played in two less games them Cam. Now you can argue that Newton is banged up and plays hurt that's because he runs too much and has been hit more then double any other QB, maybe triple - can't remember - because he actually has NO pocket presence. He doesn't throw it away. Either folds like a deck chair or runs like a fool. QB's pass. Cutler has accuracy. Newton does not. He is just a cannon that lobs it Cutler has more INT% but better Comp%, and has played in very bad systems. If you took Cutler and put him in Newton jersey you'd never know the difference. Sounds like you got biases against Newton. Newton has never had close to the talent Cutler has played with the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 by pocket presence you mean, scramble and run for his life if a flea sneezes 10' from him? Dude has no poise. Dalton has more attempts, more TD's, more yards, better pass %, and only .2% worse QBR. And only played in two less games them Cam. Now you can argue that Newton is banged up and plays hurt that's because he runs too much and has been hit more then double any other QB, maybe triple - can't remember - because he actually has NO pocket presence. He doesn't throw it away. Either folds like a deck chair or runs like a fool. QB's pass. Cutler has accuracy. Newton does not. He is just a cannon that lobs it Cutler has more INT% but better Comp%, and has played in very bad systems. If you took Cutler and put him in Newton jersey you'd never know the difference. I don't know how many Carolina games you have actually watched, but we get the benefit of seeing them more than enough in VA. Cam runs for his life because his OL blows. I've also seen him stand in the pocket on numerous occasions, take the hit he knows is coming, and deliver a strike to Olsen or whomever the WR may be. He can put the ball in any window you give him. He hasn't had that many weapons, nor have they done that great of a job building the offense around him since he's been there. He had Steve Smith for a couple of years and Olsen. Last year he had Benjamin and Olsen. The RB's are all garbage and nothing outside of the previous guys mentioned. Like I said, put him with that Bears offense the last two seasons and he's putting up huge numbers. Hell, give him an OL that holds up as well as Dalton's and he puts up huge numbers. Not sure if you are basing everything you are saying off of season statistics or if you are actually watching the games, but Newton is a guy you have to defensively game plan for on all levels where as the other QB's you mentioned are not really much of a threat, minus Kaep and his running ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 @RapSheet: Cam Newton and the #Panthers have agreed to terms on a 5-year, $103M deal, source said. Negotiated by Chitta Mallik, Tony Paige & Bus Cook. @RapSheet: Cam Newton will earn $67.6M in the first 3 years of his deal, source said. Most money every in a 3-year period. @AdamSchefter: Cam Newton's new 5-year, $103.8 million deal also includes $60 million guaranteed, per source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 @RapSheet: Cam Newton and the #Panthers have agreed to terms on a 5-year, $103M deal, source said. Negotiated by Chitta Mallik, Tony Paige & Bus Cook. @RapSheet: Cam Newton will earn $67.6M in the first 3 years of his deal, source said. Most money every in a 3-year period. @AdamSchefter: Cam Newton's new 5-year, $103.8 million deal also includes $60 million guaranteed, per source. Wow big money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 All he needs is a few weapons. Hope funchess brings some help. Living in Charlotte, I catch a good amount of games. He's a great QB, big arm, mobile and a leader. He definitely tries to do too much sometimes and that gets him into trouble. He thinks he has to be the savior on every play. And now that the team has been influx at skill positions, he's trying to do more than ever. Benjamin is definitely a stud, but Steve Smith leaving took this team down a few pegs. The irony is, this contract he just signed will ensure he never gets those weapons. The money they just committed will prevent them from fielding a great OL and getting him some players to throw to. This usually isn't a problem if the QB you just signed for elite money is actually elite, since it doesn't matter who they are throwing to, but Newton isn't. He's a great QB, but he isn't elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) This team would be so lucky if they had to pay a QB that money. The irony is, this contract he just signed will ensure he never gets those weapons. The money they just committed will prevent them from fielding a great OL and getting him some players to throw to. This usually isn't a problem if the QB you just signed for elite money is actually elite, since it doesn't matter who they are throwing to, but Newton isn't. He's a great QB, but he isn't elite. Wrong... Just draft well. This contract doesn't mean they give up draft picks which is where you find the talent to surround your QB. Edited June 2, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't know how many Carolina games you have actually watched, but we get the benefit of seeing them more than enough in VA. Cam runs for his life because his OL blows. I've also seen him stand in the pocket on numerous occasions, take the hit he knows is coming, and deliver a strike to Olsen or whomever the WR may be. He can put the ball in any window you give him. He hasn't had that many weapons, nor have they done that great of a job building the offense around him since he's been there. He had Steve Smith for a couple of years and Olsen. Last year he had Benjamin and Olsen. The RB's are all garbage and nothing outside of the previous guys mentioned. Like I said, put him with that Bears offense the last two seasons and he's putting up huge numbers. Hell, give him an OL that holds up as well as Dalton's and he puts up huge numbers. Not sure if you are basing everything you are saying off of season statistics or if you are actually watching the games, but Newton is a guy you have to defensively game plan for on all levels where as the other QB's you mentioned are not really much of a threat, minus Kaep and his running ability. I get every panther game being as I am just outside of Charlotte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) He needs help with weapons. He had a sophomore slump, but played well his third year when they went 12-4. Last year was hard given their defensive losses. They did beat the Cardinals in the playoffs. The going rate for a starting QB seems to be in the $20 million range. I think this was a little high, but for the people who keep wishing we pick up a franchise AB IN FREE AGENCY, just accept that almost at never ever happens. They beat the Ryan Lindley-led Cardinals. Lots of money, think is maybe slightly better than Kap, but has similar issues. They are both big, built to last guys who can move and sling it, but their leadership has sometimes been questioned. Edited June 3, 2015 by Big C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Wow that's some money. Most of his stats have gone down since his Rookie year. I would follow with I don't know much about Carolina so maybe he has little help? team friendly, imo. i'd sign him to the bills on that contract in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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