BillsInMaine Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493268/article/aaron-rodgers-reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To me his greatness and achievements mean nothing now. Seems like a big con job now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493268/article/aaron-rodgers-reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit Actually its two asterisks (asteri?) because the NFL Wells report explicitly based its "cheating" finding on the previous transgression of videotapegate. My GUESS is that part of the reason why Bob Kraft simply pulled his appeal of the Wells finding may well be that after the Pats personalized the issue by claiming that any accuser would owe them a public apology after the investigation and then directly calling out Wells, they created an incentive for Wells and or the NFL to escalate by identifying a third potential case of the Pats cheating. Kraft (and potentially Brady) saw that they ran the risk of either the NFL or Wells revealing or simply accusing the Pats of a another transgression. It could not be anything that simply is an unusual application but not violation o the rules. However, if a third case of the Pats violating the spirit or letter of the law could even be hinted at the Pats ran the risk of tainting their entire winning record and history with a dreaded asterick. Once is an incident, twice may be a coincidence, but a third case would be a trend that might stick forever. I actually would not be shocked to see Brady also pull back and settle for 3 games or even four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Seems like a little of a cop out. If the cheating was significant enough to affect the outcomes of the games then they should vacate the victories. If not, then fine/suspend him and move on. Asterisks are like trying to have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Bucky Brooks, anyway. As for Brady, it's not just the cheating we know about. It's all the other stuff we're not sure about (does the headset in the helmet really keep working after the cutoff?), and the stuff we've never even heard or dreamed of. Yeah, it does tarnish the accomplishments. Not saying he wouldn't be great anyway, but just how great? We'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Seems like a little of a cop out. If the cheating was significant enough to affect the outcomes of the games then they should vacate the victories. If not, then fine/suspend him and move on. Asterisks are like trying to have it both ways. Copping out is the least of the NFL's problem from this fans perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Seems like a little of a cop out. If the cheating was significant enough to affect the outcomes of the games then they should vacate the victories. If not, then fine/suspend him and move on. Asterisks are like trying to have it both ways. To me it's no different than PED's. How many home runs could McGuire, Sosa and Bonds have it without them? How many of the extra homers were from PED's? We can't know, yet we look at their entire careers with suspicion. So why do the Pats** get a free pass? They have been caught cheating twice, plus there are other rumours that the NFL never addressed. They can argue that what they did didn't matter, but then why cheat at all? Edited May 25, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To me his greatness and achievements mean nothing now. Seems like a big con job now Im sure you had them on quite the pedestal prior.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To me his greatness and achievements mean nothing now. Seems like a big con job now Yeah, I feel the same way abut Jerry Rice and his stickum...I just ignore all the guys that actually competed against him, saying how great he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493268/article/aaron-rodgers-reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit something like this was posted last week WRT to Bucky Brooks. maybe even its own thread Good to see!!!! Edited May 25, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 something like this was posted last week WRT to Bucky Brooks. maybe even its own thread Good to see!!!! It's early still...in 10 years this will all be a blip. Any sane person knows he is the greatest QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) It's early still...in 10 years this will all be a blip. Any sane person knows he is the greatest QB. Of course this isn't updated to reflect Br*dy's tainted title -- his fourth -- or the scandal. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think this will impact Tommy Terrific's legacy. Edited May 25, 2015 by GreggyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Roethlisberger #2, really?!? What do you folks think about that? (I'll never forget that draft and how I was absolutely sold he would become a Buffalo Bill.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's early still...in 10 years this will all be a blip. Any sane person knows he is the greatest QB. And Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's early still...in 10 years this will all be a blip. Any sane person knows he is the greatest QB. And who knows what new scandal(s) involving Brady* and the Pats** will be common knowledge by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Of course this isn't updated to reflect Br*dy's tainted title -- his fourth -- or the scandal. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think this will impact Tommy Terrific's legacy. Maybe in your bitter mind, but he hasn't fallen in Brett Favre's, Jim Kelly's, or my mind, so who really cares what guys that were already filled with resentment think? Edited May 25, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493268/article/aaron-rodgers-reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit Someone posted this here a week ago, Van Winkle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To me it's no different than PED's. How many home runs could McGuire, Sosa and Bonds have it without them? How many of the extra homers were from PED's? We can't know, yet we look at their entire careers with suspicion. So why do the Pats** get a free pass? They have been caught cheating twice, plus there are other rumours that the NFL never addressed. They can argue that what they did didn't matter, but then why cheat at all? This. So A-Rod is greater than Mays? Yeah right. Can you imagine if Mays, Aaron and Mantle were on the juice? Hell, what if Mantle didn't get plastered half the time? Hard to say what Brady would have done without illegal radio help in his helmet and video of the opponents formations before the games. The SB wins are tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) How many fewer receptions, yards, touchdowns, wins, and Super Bowls would Montana have if Jerry Rice didn't CHEAT by using Stickum? And people claim he is the best player of ALL-TIME! I think comparing it to PED's is way exaggerating the transgression, and those were individual achievements, Brady's are mostly team achievements. That stuff has been beat to death in other threads. I think we need to comb through NFL history, and start handing out more asterisks to different teams, huh? When Jerry Rice says "all players did it" he probably meant "all the players on MY team did it..." I'm sure the Bills were clean though, so we can sleep at night, with a clear conscience. Edited May 26, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 When will the petty, silly jealousy of such a fine stand-up organization stop? Everybody needs to get a life. They are champions! Signed, HoF Watkins/JiA How many fewer receptions, yards, touchdowns, wins, and Super Bowls would Montana have if Jerry Rice didn't CHEAT by using Stickum? And people claim he is the best player of ALL-TIME! I think comparing it to PED's is way exaggerating the transgression, and those were individual achievements, Brady's are mostly team achievements. That stuff has been beat to death in other threads. I think we need to comb through NFL history, and start handing out more asterisks to different teams, huh? When Jerry Rice says "all players did it" he probably meant "all the players on MY team did it..." I'm sure the Bills were clean though, so we can sleep at night, with a clear conscience. You sound like my 16 year old son trying to justify a trangression and character flaw. Everybody else does it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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