Beerball Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 None taken. I don't care one way or the other. I like CJ but his output (18 TDs rushing/receiving in four seasons) doesn't justify big $$. I'd be happy taking Abdullah in the 2nd round. Yeah, stay or go, but if stay it better be a reasonable number. RBs do in fact grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 No offense intended, but, hopefully less than Chan Gailey and Buddy Nix. Hopefully, you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hopefully, you are wrong. Yes, he has lived up to his draft status and he deserves a long contract and a hefty raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here is the full interview. @pecrawleynfl: Good, no nonsense stuff from @CJSPILLER on free agency and @EJManuel3's progression. http://t.co/AJLv4YULbj Good listen, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I still want to see CJ run behind a competent offensive line et. Demarco Murray. I'd also like to see EJ play QB behind a competent offensive line. So, yes I'd like to see Spiller remain a Bill without breaking the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 1) This is Mike Rodent the Rodhack. 2) Who gives a crap with what CJ said. The guy needs to check his own balls and man up. He's a grown ass man and shouldn't need his QB to tell him he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yes, he has lived up to his draft status and he deserves a long contract and a hefty raise. I suppose the way he has been utilized plays no role in this whatsoever, nope, not one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I suppose the way he has been utilized plays no role in this whatsoever, nope, not one bit. Chan did a decent job utilizing him and CJ would be crazy to not follow him to NJ, but, even at his best, CJ is a 12-15 touch a game RB. I would not spend my money on such a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) [. . . ] JP had the same problem, he even said it once. . . . . He said something like these are grown men in the huddle and I have to tell them what to do. I am not. He said he struggled with that. The bolded correction is what this boils down to. A grown man does not fear another grown man, especially in business, and especially if they are on your team. And yeah, that's not gonna work. Edited March 3, 2015 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 this said a lot as far as EJ's leadership, afraid to step on toes. Hopefully he understands you have to be a borderline d--- at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 We will all find out soon enough if EJM has made the changes necessary, and has taken his game up a few notches. I expect him to be the starter, and to do a good job. Very few rookies can just come in and command respect, especially when there was no established veteran there to prove himself against, or show him the ropes (whether through mentoring, or competing). Regardless of how you feel about his talent, no one could say these were good circumstances to develop a rookie QB. Even Jim Kelly was fortunate to have spent some time in the USFL to bridge his career to the NFL. He wasn't a "rookie" when he came to the Bills. For all we know, he might have ended up like JP Losman (they had a similar arrogance) without his USFL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) It is hard to lead when you haven't proven yourself yet in this league. That comes with time I believe EJ has the necessary skills to develop into an effective leader. I think the benching will help him in the long term we will see whether or not he can translate that on the field. Reason why it made no sense to me for him to be cut until at least after training camp if he shows he does not have what it takes to succeed. Edited March 3, 2015 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 It is hard to lead when you haven't proven yourself yet in this league. That comes with time I believe EJ has the necessary skills to develop into an effective leader. I think the benching will help him in the long term we will see whether or not he can translate that on the field. Reason why it made no sense to me for him to be cut until at least after training camp if he shows he does not have what it takes to succeed. QB's gotta have swagger & the talent to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Bobby Layne grabbed face masks in the huddle; his passes often lacked spiral and were end over end but his presence led to a lot of wins. Jim Kelly pissed many a player off during his tenure, but he won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I suppose the way he has been utilized plays no role in this whatsoever, nope, not one bit. Utilized? You mean a RB utilized as a RB was the problem? Then why does CJ think he is a RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Leadership ability is tied to performance. It's a lot easier to yell at a WR if you are performing well. This...^ I'm not trying to say my job is even remotely close to what a CEO or NFL QB faces, but I do manage in a difficult setting, with difficult people. I have seen a couple people before me just get destroyed doing the same thing. I'm not a very alpha type person, I don't evoke fear in people, so I can empathize with people who struggle with taking on that role. That said, I was at my job 8 years before I was promoted and did more business for my company then anybody else in it's history. Almost by default people listen and respect me. So if you perform well, its very easy to lead. If you don't or aren't established, it certainly takes a very unique individual. Especially if those people your trying to lead are more tenured/experienced/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Chan did a decent job utilizing him and CJ would be crazy to not follow him to NJ, but, even at his best, CJ is a 12-15 touch a game RB. I would not spend my money on such a player. I'm not too far off this opinion. I believe if utilized properly he could be a 15-20 touch a game RB. Utilized? You mean a RB utilized as a RB was the problem? Then why does CJ think he is a RB? Football is more complex than this simplistic view you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Manuel is hardly the first QB to face this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I'm not too far off this opinion. I believe if utilized properly he could be a 15-20 touch a game RB. Football is more complex than this simplistic view you have. Football is more complex then CJ can handle it really seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp 2 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I always suspected that. EJ needs to grow a sac if he wants to make it in the NFL. That's why Buddy & Whaley wanted to have EJ learn the ropes from a vet for a few years but the plan was blown up with Fitz leaving & Kolb's injury. One thing I take from this is that CJ also mentioned that EJ learned from the Orton experiment...also his work ethic & talent is apparent to lead the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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