keepthefaith Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 She will still win. Doubt it. The political wind has shifted 180 degrees since 2008 thanks to you know who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Doubt it. The political wind has shifted 180 degrees since 2008 thanks to you know who. Im open for bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Im open for bets. Me too once we know who the nominees are for each party. Yours has to make the decision to run and then get through the primary first. Edited April 9, 2015 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Im open for bets. I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 No one will stop the Hillary machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 She will still win. Nope. Doubt it. The political wind has shifted 180 degrees since 2008 thanks to you know who. I'm gonna have to agree with our favorite Quebecois. The fix is in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 She will still win. Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The Republicans will have to (obviously) nominate the right candidate to take it from the anointed one. A Fred Thompson type, but with fire in their belly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 There is a treasure trove of material to hammer away at Hillary, and it's not things that turn off voters from the right like Benghazi, which the left and moderate voters tbh really don't care about, but these sort of secrecy and pay for play details depress left leaning voters. All they have to do is fit all these things into a narrative and by the time the elections come around, her favorability ratings will be in the low 40's. You forget that a good many people, including more than a few moderates, believe in Hillary's manifest destiny so strongly that, even as they dislike her scandals, they accept them as the price of her success. The important think is that she GET into office, not how she gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The Republicans will have to (obviously) nominate the right candidate to take it from the anointed one. A Fred Thompson type, but with fire in their belly. Fred Thompson could have won easily in 2008 if he had gotten the debate rules to allow that every time he finishes speaking, he got to play the Law & Order gavel sound http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/The_Clang_%28from_Law_%26_Order%29.ogg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 You forget that a good many people, including more than a few moderates, believe in Hillary's manifest destiny so strongly that, even as they dislike her scandals, they accept them as the price of her success. The important think is that she GET into office, not how she gets there. This is the mentality I see most out west. It's her turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Fred Thompson could have won easily in 2008 if he had gotten the debate rules to allow that every time he finishes speaking, he got to play the Law & Order gavel sound http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/The_Clang_%28from_Law_%26_Order%29.ogg I know. I had high hopes for him with his down home ways and the Reagonistic way he eviscerated Michael Moore. He seemed to be the perfect candidate until it became obvious his passion level equaled the esteem passion I hold for my ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Why wasn't the NYT on this like they were on Palin? Recruiting the public to look at emails. I can only imagine what they would find if they applied that same diligence to the current admin and it's agencies LOL ,If Palin had half of the record Hillary has they would crucify her.I remember they criticized Palin because she wore expensive suits on the campaign trail.That meant somehow she had a lack of understanding of the poor and their daily struggles. No one will stop the Hillary machine. Satan is surely smiling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 LOL ,If Palin had half of the record Hillary has they would crucify her.I remember they criticized Palin because she wore expensive suits on the campaign trail.That meant somehow she had a lack of understanding of the poor and their daily struggles. Satan is surely smiling Hockey talk is over at the Aud Club. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Way, way, way more important than dining at Chipolte Clinton Foundation to Keep Foreign Donors Board’s decision to continue accepting funding from some countries could become 2016 campaign issue http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-foundation-to-keep-foreign-donors-1429140593 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 NYT: Cash flowed to Clinton Foundation as Russia pressed for control of uranium company... WSJ: State Department sat on panel that approved deal... WASHPOST: Bill collected $26 million in speaking fees from major donors... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 You forget that a good many people, including more than a few moderates, believe in Hillary's manifest destiny so strongly that, even as they dislike her scandals, they accept them as the price of her success. The important think is that she GET into office, not how she gets there. I agree. However, and funny enough I was just having this discussion with my father this morning about this is that one cannot discount enthusiasm. What do I mean by that? I mean if one person is unenthused and pulls the lever for that candidate vs someone who is super enthusiastic, it all counts the same, right? BUT, a person who is enthused is much more apt to want to help volunteer and campaign for that candidate. By helping canvassing and knocking on doors, working at a phone bank, urging friends and family members to go and vote for their candidate. So there is an added residual effect that comes along with that enthusiasm. Obama has his base of supporters that love him to death, Romney had far fewer. Hillary is not someone who has that grass roots strength that Obama did, and I don't see Hillary getting as many votes in the African American community, Hispanic, youth and hard core progressives that Obama had. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 So there is an added residual effect that comes along with that enthusiasm. Obama has his base of supporters that love him to death, Romney had far fewer. Hillary is not someone who has that grass roots strength that Obama did, and I don't see Hillary getting as many votes in the African American community, Hispanic, youth and hard core progressives that Obama had. Do you? If there's one thing that the last presidential election taught me, it's that I tend to give the voting public way too much credit for intelligence than they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) I'm gonna have to agree with our favorite Quebecois. The fix is in I think there should be an investigation on how and who counts the votes. "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. "-Joseph Stalin Left wing csuckers really have to be smited from this country. Joe McCarthy was a fuggin hero as far as I'm concerned. Communism is like a tumor that has to be cut out. The earlier you get it the better. Edited April 23, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) So there is an added residual effect that comes along with that enthusiasm. Obama has his base of supporters that love him to death, Romney had far fewer. Hillary is not someone who has that grass roots strength that Obama did, and I don't see Hillary getting as many votes in the African American community, Hispanic, youth and hard core progressives that Obama had. Yeah voter turnout is huge especially in the swing states. Repubs should have the enthusiasm advantage this time around but you can't ruleout Hillary's campaign spending lots of money to bus in voters to the polls along with same day registration and a free cheeseburger and a coke. Edited April 23, 2015 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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