K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Oh Jesus Christ, they won by 38 points. They could have been using a marshmallow and this wouldn't have mattered. This is getting old and makes us look like jealous idiots. And for theove of God, enough with the asterisks askter the name Pats. It's childish, but more importantly MAKES NO SENSE. You're not questioning their name. If you want to use it after one of the Titles (should you mention one of those), it's still childish, but at lease it makes sense - if that's what you're going after. I think that is what any organization would count on in a conspiracy . We actually still live in a country where a coup de etat happened in 63 and simple idiots killed other people that made a difference etc. We are made to feel like babies about this . Why not a stupid football game . Even in the spirit of competition harbaugh was correct in taking a penalty instead of burning a time out . Not a lot anyone can do and the league won't embarrass itself . So aside from empty stadiums whenever the pats play... Or talk to coughlin and see that he evened the playing field by installing a frequency if his own in a linebackers helmet . It's amazing that we still want to believe they are straight up that good when the difference between a blowout is three or four key plays. No ? Green Bay blows out Seattle if they don't get fake field goal and McCarthy tries to score at mid girls instead of trying to run clock . Perception is a funny thing . I'm not saying Indy wins .. It's just that you never know. It's not whining to strip a sprinter of a win because of steroids or to strip lance of seven straight wins. It's simply that we and the patriots never know what really happened . Once the league swept it under the rug . It one .. Made them complicent and two .. Encourage the rest if the league to cheat as well . Who knows . Aside from searching all teams gear for radio frequency gear before they leave the field and drug test everyone from each side ... What can you do . I only think you can assume the worst .. It's just like the NSA doesn't give info out to "friends" .. Nah that would be wrong . This happens in life , why not football . I only a agree that whining doesn't help except to inform the next team that they are stupid not to prepare .. It's what us and the Russians have been doing to each other for years. It's why we sent pros to play sports in the Olympics . If you read the spy gate book it's hard not to believe it . We should have fun reminding them every game that they always cheat and try to fock em at every turn instead of expecting compliance . Do you think the NSA is gonna say .. Whoops .. Sorry let me stop having this awesome advantage over the world . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Bad batch then? Maybe I don't get the uproar involved in this. Apparently, the league measures the balls prior to gametime to ensure they meet pressure spec and then entrusts a NFL attendant to preside over them during the game. Are people suggesting that the Pats found a way to deflate the balls (for whatever value they felt that might have provided) without anyone noticing? YES. OBVIOUSLY. The NFL admits that 1 or 2 balls are taken out each game because of this. So they must have a way of measuring. The conflicting part of the Patriots* balls are that several were found to be under. And the NFL gives some leeway in terms of pressure saying the pressure needs to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, which they measure before the game. Sure, how they are measured could be faulty but it was about the same temperature in Seattle and no mention of ball problems there. Plus, I would hardly call 50 degrees "cold" in terms of NFL games. I'd also add, if the refs noticed by feel that they were deflauted, they must have been fairly low on pressure. I thought the ambient air temp. in Foxborough, particularly later in the game, was in the high 30s. Is that not correct? Also, how do you know a potential PSI problem was discovered by referees feeling or eyeballing the suspect balls? We don't know how the first ball was found to be low. It may have been a product of a normal test/check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Word is these balls were inadvertently destroyed upon receiving NFL headquarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yes, which tells you all you need to know about why they would potentially modify the air pressure yesterday. Cheater's gonna cheat, basically. 16 and 0 .. Yea .. They might be still cheating . It took how many years of denials to hold lance down and pull his wings off .. And you still don't know if he would have won straight up or not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 YES. OBVIOUSLY. What's next ...... the Pats were also guilty of deflating the Colts DL which allowed Blount to run roughshod over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 to me.... if these things are still happening, Im sure it extends very much elsewhere in that outfit. The team overall really hasnt been that good, especially when you look at the injuries. Almost 40 straight meaningful home wins against the AFC. In a capped league with a good deal of parity... that seems pretty fishy. The recent cheating allegations ripped the bandaid off the old wound and I am again questioning all results. Part of it is hatred for the Patriots, but I think I would be really angry if I were different rivals. I have many Broncos and Eagles fans on my facebook feed and I see a lot of venting from them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 YES. OBVIOUSLY. I thought the ambient air temp. in Foxborough, particularly later in the game, was in the high 30s. Is that not correct? Also, how do you know a potential PSI problem was discovered by referees feeling or eyeballing the suspect balls? We don't know how the first ball was found to be low. It may have been a product of a normal test/check. It's amazing the access home teams have to everything . A little distraction etc. Again . You never know the degree to which this or that helped in such adverse conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I will say it is funny that ESPN and others are putting Brady's comments on as some sort of proof that this did not happen. Some dude on ESPN, former ref, said if this did happen only a $25,000 fine. Again, much ado about nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Regardless of the impact the deflated balls would have...it makes you wonder what doesn't get detected. They're the only team that needs a forensics team to go through and make sure they're not up to some bullsh*t Edited January 19, 2015 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 What's next ...... the Pats were also guilty of deflating the Colts DL which allowed Blount to run roughshod over them. Please see above posts commenting on your attitude here. The fact that NE is the better team and would have won (maybe by a ton) without tampering PSI levels in balls is completely irrelevant here! Why don't people get that? If there is a rule saying X and evidence proves you deliberately acted to break X, you CHEATED. No one cares if you were the better team anyway, or what color hoodie Bill B. was wearing during the game, either. I will say it is funny that ESPN and others are putting Brady's comments on as some sort of proof that this did not happen. Some dude on ESPN, former ref, said if this did happen only a $25,000 fine. Again, much ado about nothing This is what I was asking way up thread. I agree, if this is how the league handles a "proven infraction" then who give's a rat's ass. It does not change the fact, though, that the Patriots possibly did intentionally cheat and are obviously looking to gain illegal competitive advantages. That's worth noting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 What's next ...... the Pats were also guilty of deflating the Colts DL which allowed Blount to run roughshod over them. A tired line and luck completing 40 percent .. Yea brady must be that much better ..it's possible for it to look demoralizing . .. Point is you don't know .. Be just as careful to extrapolate to damage of a competitive advantage on the whole picture IF True . What would cycling look like if the postal team didn't having cheating down to an art .. Maybe exactly the same . Who f in knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 allegedly... and of course as soon as the league says no crime committed.....folks will be screaming cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 im sick of the whole "they would have won anyway" or "oh well" attitude. This is just what they (apparently) got caught doing. God knows what goes on week-to-week for these advantages. People wonder why this team gathers misfits, botches draft picks, suffers giant injuries, yet still can get 1st round byes and win playoff games. Their home record also raises red flags IMO. you just watch and its all choreographed plays that seem to do the exact opposite of what the defense is going for. Last night it was at like a 95% clip. Nobody guesses right with that much efficiency. Totally agree allegedly... and of course as soon as the league says no crime committed.....folks will be screaming cover up. If they actually proved they cheated .. No good ratings for the puppy bowl . It will be squashed . Bellichick should be tarred and feathered and laughed at as a buffoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I can tell you Bills fans are the k my ones who have this thread at 6+ pages already.Seriously? It's a pretty big story today across the nfl. It is being discussed on every national show. It's all over twitter. I've seen longer threads on TSW about backup long snappers. I don't think it has anything to do with Bills fans only care about this because they are Bills fans. Its a real story today in the national media. Please see above posts commenting on your attitude here. The fact that NE is the better team and would have won (maybe by a ton) without tampering PSI levels in balls is completely irrelevant here! Why don't people get that? If there is a rule saying X and evidence proves you deliberately acted to break X, you CHEATED. No one cares if you were the better team anyway, or what color hoodie Bill B. was wearing during the game, either. This is what I was asking way up thread. I agree, if this is how the league handles a "proven infraction" then who give's a rat's ass. It does not change the fact, though, that the Patriots possibly did intentionally cheat and are obviously looking to gain illegal competitive advantages. That's worth noting. the 25k fine is what USC got when Lane Kiffin was caught. Not sure but maybe that is what they were referring to, it's the closest precedent of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 this is so stupid I have an idea, why doesn't the NFL actually have league officials in charge of game balls starting 3 hour prior to the game. and exactly why is this a big news story...oh yeah, because people now think NE cheated. Yep that's why they crushed Indy 45-7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 to me.... if these things are still happening, Im sure it extends very much elsewhere in that outfit. The team overall really hasnt been that good, especially when you look at the injuries. Almost 40 straight meaningful home wins against the AFC. In a capped league with a good deal of parity... that seems pretty fishy. The recent cheating allegations ripped the bandaid off the old wound and I am again questioning all results. Part of it is hatred for the Patriots, but I think I would be really angry if I were different rivals. I have many Broncos and Eagles fans on my facebook feed and I see a lot of venting from them as well. or the fact they invest their money wisely in front 7 players and get WR's, RB, and DB's off the trash heap. refuse to over pay veteran players like logan mankins. get rid of dumb players who make mental mistakes. bench players who screw up. trade down more often than trading up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 We care because we have to deal with the asz hole every year. It's boring and makes me dislike the game . I really liked the earlier game . We all hate feeling like suckers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 or the fact they invest their money wisely in front 7 players and get WR's, RB, and DB's off the trash heap. refuse to over pay veteran players like logan mankins. get rid of dumb players who make mental mistakes. bench players who screw up. trade down more often than trading up. Sorry if we offended you Mr. Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) What I find interesting is this stuff way, way up-thread about allegations that came out at the time of video taping scandal. All that stuff someone posted in italics. It suggested Brady had a 2nd frequency in his helmet and that Bill B. or whoever else as talking to him right up to the snap of the ball, on an unmonitored channel (so they could say incriminating things without fear of reprisal) and it violated the "no radio 15 seconds before expiration of game clock" rule. NEVERMIND PSI LEVELS IN BALLS. THIS RADIO CRAP IS INTERESTING! What measures are taken at NFL games to inspect players' equipment before, randomly during, and after games? I'm guessing NONE. What sophisticated electrical engineering consultants are brought in to monitor the airwaves during an NFL game, in stadium? I'm going to say NONE. What specialist consultants are used before every game to inspect the telecom equipment used by the teams (coordinators up in the booth, coaches on sidelines, players' helmets) to try and make sure nothing strange is happening with the equipment itself. I'm guessing NONE. What specialist consultant (MOTOROLA?) is used as a neutral party to manufacture ALL EQUIPMENT USED BY ALL TEAMS assuring that it is all the same, can only do what is legal (can't broadcast on 4 channels) and is deliberately designed to be able to be monitored easily for tampering? I'm guessing NONE. I'm not a conspiracy nut! All I am saying is that if you want to alter the outcomes of football games, don't play around with an inflation needle and footballs. Play around with telecom equipment and give key players on the field key information at key moments so they can better make decisions. Imagine Kyle Orton dropping back in the pocket with good protection on a given pass play. He is looking to his right and locked on a covered receiver. He doesn't even turn to the left side of the field. In the meantime, a "spotter" up in the booth shouts into his head "LEFT LEFT LEFT" and this makes Kyle turn to his left and see a wide open receiver and throw him the ball. Receiver catches ball and scores TD. You wouldn't need to luck out with this illegal communication system more than a few times in a game to potentially really help alter the outcome of the game. At other times, it probably wouldn't even work! Humans being fallible and all...I can imagine shouting into the headset of some QBs and telling them "LEFT 20 yards (receiver's name)" or something....and they just ignore it and panic in the heat of the moment anyway...and take a sack. But if you have the right QB...a good one...an experienced one....a calm and confident one....man, you could create a scoring machine by being able to talk to him all through a play. You can also tell him PRECISELY what the D is and what the proper "read" is 2 seconds before the snap of the ball. That is probably the biggest advantage here. I would assume most OCs can read a defense better than most starting QBs in the NFL. Did anyone see Rodgers' face during the game yesterday? The guy seemed amazingly calm and composed the entire game... Can you imagine what he could do with a really sharp offensive mind coaching him constantly in his headset before, during, after plays? Edited January 19, 2015 by Stopthepain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 or the fact they invest their money wisely in front 7 players and get WR's, RB, and DB's off the trash heap. refuse to over pay veteran players like logan mankins. get rid of dumb players who make mental mistakes. bench players who screw up. trade down more often than trading up. So .. The lance defense .. Point is you just don't know how much of a competitive advantage gives . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badasss Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I don't think a disqualification from the game is too severe for this type of thing. It won't happen though. The NFL's approach to this should be absolute no tolerance. You get caught deliberately cheating in this type of pre-meditated way in an effort to skew the outcome of the game, you get disqualified...and lose draft picks...and get fined...and yes, a suspension for the HC is not out of line either. You just can't have teams cheating if you want to maintain integrity in the game. If these accusations are true, then the only suitable punishment would be to permanently ban Belicheck from the NFL, effective immediately. Im pretty sure this would not be his first violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 this is so stupid I have an idea, why doesn't the NFL actually have league officials in charge of game balls starting 3 hour prior to the game. and exactly why is this a big news story...oh yeah, because people now think NE cheated. Yep that's why they crushed Indy 45-7! It's a big story because the NFL has admitted it is investigating it. Pats fans are outraged that people are writing and talking about it, but that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Man Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 $25,000 x 16 = $400,000. The rookie league minimum for one player in 2015 is $510,000. We should under inflate our balls every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 This could be a great game . I'm not sure I care anymore as it feels ... Off . Between officiating and little billy and it's a high stakes billionaires game . It's easy to bet on a pure game but .. I have no idea what to think anymore . Feeling foolish and a sucker . Hopefully everyone is tired of being hoodwinked . I never hated the dolphins like this . I respected them and wanted to win against them as a measuring stick . It's hard to think that way against the pats and it frustrates people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 makes me very happy we have Rex Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 In fact this dicussion is as pointless as railing against the government . No point . Even though it's true. Snowden . O Leary . Both . Play 14 straight games. Cheat like hell against the pats . No high ground here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 makes me very happy we have Rex Ryan Man, if I was the new HC of the Bills, I would be approaching the Patriots games a bit differently, for sure. Not sure what you can do, other than remind officials to do their job (did you check the ball PSI?) and have your own little "investigation committee" monitoring airwaves in the stadium, visually monitoring anything in the Patriots booth or sideline...just keep an eye on those bastards! They are probably up to something. As per ESPN: "I think I've heard it all at this point ... it's ridiculous," Brady said Monday morning during his weekly interview with Boston radio station WEEI. "I don't even respond to stuff like this." SMART BOY, Brady. Standard Operating Procedure: Rule 1: Admit nothing Rule 2: Deny Everything Rule 3: Make counter-accusations Even old Lance had the world convinced he was not a cheater, vehemently and infamously attacking many famous cycling journalists around the world. "Why would I do something that violent and harmful to my own body!? Are you insane? I'm an elite athlete, why would I choose to physically hurt myself?!" Ha ha ha.....good one Lance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 So do we have to call them the Patriots** now? Or is there an easy symbol for a second offense? Patriots*^2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 $25,000 x 16 = $400,000. The rookie league minimum for one player in 2015 is $510,000. We should under inflate our balls every week. With all the punts on 4th down, it is evident that our balls were indeed underinflated this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Would it be okay if you were playing poker with a guy who cheated on a few hands but won most of the pots he collected legitimately? Or a golfer who hits 50 good shots but cheated on his lie on a few of them? Hell no. He's a cheater. It's the worst thing you can be in a competition, especially for money. People who look for and take every single advantage they can within the rules are fierce competitors. People who look for that, AND take a bunch of advantages outside of the rules are scumbag cheaters. 100%. Once you bend the rules to get an edge once, it becomes easier and easier to do and rationalize it to yourself that "it didn't matter / wasn't really cheating". They were better than the Colts, everyone knew it going in, but Bellicheat still wanted to make sure he had an advantage. Why not? He gets away with it every time they do it, might as well double down on it. This is a common syndrome of pathological liars and sociopaths -- both of which Bellycheat most assuredly is. Bellycheat is exactly who we thought he was: a dirty, scumbag cheater, and the *pats are the worst part of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Citing league sources, Bob Kravitz of WTHR-TV in Indianapolis, said "the NFL was investigating the possibility the Patriots deflated football Sunday night." Kravitz, a former Indianapolis Star columnist, tweeted that "at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it." weighed it ??.....i assure you, they did not have a scale with the sensitivity/accuracy to measure an nfl ball with 12.5-13.5 PSI vs one underinflated. plus the ball was soaking wet, it was probably heavier than a dry one. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflating-feeling--report-puts-patriots-on-defensive-over-footballs--culture-since-spygate-scandal-080638511.html To concoct a plan that relies on busy attendants altering the ball during the rush of a game in the middle of a stadium with dozens of cameras would be beyond brazen. One false move and a ball could be significantly deflated and cause the refs to realize what is happening. Assuming the attendants would maintain their silence later is even riskier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 To concoct a plan that relies on busy attendants altering the ball during the rush of a game in the middle of a stadium with dozens of cameras would be beyond brazen. One false move and a ball could be significantly deflated and cause the refs to realize what is happening. Assuming the attendants would maintain their silence later is even riskier. Sociopaths, which Bellicheat most assuredly is, don't think in those terms. There is nothing "brazen" about it when you think you're in the right and won't get caught. Nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Regardless of the impact the deflated balls would have...it makes you wonder what doesn't get detected. They're the only team that needs a forensics team to go through and make sure they're not up to some bullsh*tExactly. Deflate-gate seems silly when considering the game outcome, but to ignore it is to miss the point. If The pats cheated, then it could be a scary culture issue. Edited January 19, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Citing league sources, Bob Kravitz of WTHR-TV in Indianapolis, said "the NFL was investigating the possibility the Patriots deflated football Sunday night." Kravitz, a former Indianapolis Star columnist, tweeted that "at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it." weighed it ??.....i assure you, they did not have a scale with the sensitivity/accuracy to measure an nfl ball with 12.5-13.5 PSI vs one underinflated. plus the ball was soaking wet, it was probably heavier than a dry one. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflating-feeling--report-puts-patriots-on-defensive-over-footballs--culture-since-spygate-scandal-080638511.html To concoct a plan that relies on busy attendants altering the ball during the rush of a game in the middle of a stadium with dozens of cameras would be beyond brazen. One false move and a ball could be significantly deflated and cause the refs to realize what is happening. Assuming the attendants would maintain their silence later is even riskier. I agree. More often than not, what people tend to ascribe to conspiracy is really only due to incompetency or ignorance. No evidence here that the Patriots actually did anything intentionally unethical. But because they DID in the past, it is now assumed that anything they can twist and distort to their advantage via ultra devious conspiratorial plotting, they will. I suspect nothing will come of this one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 a homer former indy newspaper man makes an accusation. league acknowledges they are checking it out (god forbid they ignore this conspiracy) haters immediately reach guilty verdict nevermind that it all started because on the first offensive play from scrimmage in the third quarter, following a kick return, referee Walt Anderson briefly stopped play to replace a football which could have been related to this issue. although retired ref Mike Carey — serving as an analyst for CBS — suggested officials were customarily swapping one used for the kickoff with another designated for game action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 a homer former indy newspaper man makes an accusation. league acknowledges they are checking it out (god forbid they ignore this conspiracy) haters immediately reach guilty verdict nevermind that it all started because on the first offensive play from scrimmage in the third quarter, following a kick return, referee Walt Anderson briefly stopped play to replace a football which could have been related to this issue. although retired ref Mike Carey — serving as an analyst for CBS — suggested officials were customarily swapping one used for the kickoff with another designated for game action. Why are you acting like the Patriots haven't been caught by the league for cheating before? "Haters immediately reach guilty verdict?" If someone had been caught robbing houses and then a house got robbed on his street a couple years later, who do you think the cops are going to question first??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 a homer former indy newspaper man makes an accusation. league acknowledges they are checking it out (god forbid they ignore this conspiracy) haters immediately reach guilty verdict nevermind that it all started because on the first offensive play from scrimmage in the third quarter, following a kick return, referee Walt Anderson briefly stopped play to replace a football which could have been related to this issue. although retired ref Mike Carey serving as an analyst for CBS suggested officials were customarily swapping one used for the kickoff with another designated for game action. Kravitz is far from a Colts homer. He's the Sully of Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Wow this thread has 6 pages already??? The things people want to complain about smh. Yes like length of threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's easy to reach in and deflate a ball in a bag . Again this isn't the point . Distraction . Whoever plays these fockers must assume the worst in every phase from knowing plays to any possible mischief . Ignore at your own peril. They have no honor . So fine . Sucker punch them first and make them irrelrvant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Exactly. Deflate-gate seems silly when considering the game outcome, but to ignore it is to miss the point. If The pats cheated, then it could be a scary culture issue. It's a discussion point but "scary culture issue" is the talking point that I'm not seeing on non-bills boards. Especially nfc ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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