YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 @ByTimGraham: Source: Bills consider defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz a candidate for the head vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 HOLLA !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 He was basically the Head Coach anyhow, did Marrone or his little poodle Hacket do anything to help the team win this Year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 He was basically the Head Coach anyhow, did Marrone or his little poodle Hacket do anything to help the team win this Year? HAHA. Poodle. HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I like Shwartz more as the D coordinator than a HC. If he does get the promotion I wouldn't be surprised if he promotes Pepper Johnson to D coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The Scwartz sucked in Detroit one winning season in 5. What is the fascination with this guy? he leaves and boom their in the playoffs. His defense in Buffalo was completly built, had a year of success and he was handed the keys. Just what did he do besides tightening up the run D? There are probably several DC's that could have acomplished what he did this year. Considering the talent he was handed. Most NFL HC's do better the second time around. I'd take Schwartz in a heartbeat. It would allow the team to keep the defensive system intact and just hire an OC with some experience. In my mind, that's a win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 You could have said the same about Marv after Kansas City or Belichick after Cleveland. To be honest, I'm starting to sway my feelings about a JS as HC-- especially after what some of defense has been saying about him. And, I think most of us would agree, when the defense was on the field, it was a whole different attitude. Hard to imagine those two units occupying the same locker room. I think, ideally, we would keep him as DC. But, if it came down to losing him to another team, I'd be good with him as HC. Never thought I would say that about him. I'm usually wrong about everything that doesn't include mostly hindsight. I was originally very unhappy with the Schwarz signing last year. In my mind, the Lions, under his leadership, were the dirtiest team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bills consider promoting Jim Schwartz to head coach http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/02/bills-consider-promoting-jim-schwartz-to-head-coach/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I'm all for continuity, and besides, this ain't Detroit. As long as whatever happened there stays there, and we get the right OC, I'm all for Schwartz getting another shot at HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Schwartz is still under contract and hasnt gotten any requests for HC interviews. I would try and land one of the top offensive minded coaches and have Schwartz as a fall back CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) No doubt, the last two years were disappointing. But otherwise you're kidding, right? Getting THAT franchise to 10-6 and the playoffs after taking over the worst team (by far) in recent NFL history ain't chopped liver. Also, they year they went 7-9 they had a number of skin-of-their-teeth losses (including one on thanksgiving that necessitated a change in the challenge rules). I'm not discounting the losing, but he's hardly Vince Tobin. He's actually a genuinely smart guy, unlike a lot of the martinet meatheads that end up with jobs. Dick Jauron had an ivy league degree and he turned the Bears into a 13-3 team. He ALSO had losing records the other 4 seasons. I think discounting the losing is EXACTLY what you are doing. 5 years is a nice sample size. Can he get better? Sure. Can Dick Jauron get better? Why not? Bill Polian loved Jauron it's not like every expert thought he couldn't do better than he did in Chicago. The reason why you DON'T hire Schwartz is because of what you know. Edited January 2, 2015 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Dick Jauron had an ivy league degree and he turned the Bears into a 13-3 team. He ALSO had losing records the other 4 seasons. I think exactly what you are doing is discounting the losing. 5 years is a nice sample size. Can he get better? Sure. Can Dick Jauron get better? Why not? Bill Polian loved Jauron it's not like every expert thought he couldn't do better than he did in Chicago. The reason why you DON'T hire Schwartz is because of what you know, not what you hope. Schwartz is a weird one to me. He is widely regarded as being detail-oriented and analytical, yet his Detroit teams were known for undisciplined play, terrible penalties, and a general lack of control by the head coach. He seems to have the skill set to become a good head coach but something was definitely wrong in Detroit. And there have been lots of reports this year about the players responding better to Caldwell (Caldwell!), who is known for preparing his players not only to play in the games, but for life, as well (like Dungy). Of course, while the Lions are better this year, they still strike me as undisciplined and rather stupid (stomping on people, losing to Marrone's Bills, etc.). And Schwartz's players on the Bills seem ready to run through walls for the guy. So I'm just at a loss with him. Very tough to gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Schwartz is a weird one to me. He is widely regarded as being detail-oriented and analytical, yet his Detroit teams were known for undisciplined play, terrible penalties, and a general lack of control by the head coach. He seems to have the skill set to become a good head coach but something was definitely wrong in Detroit. And there have been lots of reports this year about the players responding better to Caldwell (Caldwell!), who is known for preparing his players not only to play in the games, but for life, as well (like Dungy). Of course, while the Lions are better this year, they still strike me as undisciplined and rather stupid (stomping on people, losing to Marrone's Bills, etc.). And Schwartz's players on the Bills seem ready to run through walls for the guy. So I'm just at a loss with him. Very tough to gauge. Look at it this way: Can he lose with a good roster? yes Can he still lose with that and a star QB? yes Can he still lose with those and the best individual offensive and defensive players in his conference? yes He was fired for a reason. Because there was no other choice. He proved his failure. Like I said, he COULD get better. But a large sample size points to him just being another excellent DC who does not make a good HC. And anyone who says 'but, but Belichick in Cleveland.." Schwartz HAD a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 may the Schwartz be with us...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Must..........stay................DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boolay Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Defense is much better than they were with Pettine. I no longer expect them to collapse with a lead. I think players will play with a major chip on their shoulders for him. All he needs to do is dump Hacket ASAP and us Bills fans say a Novenau that Marrone goes to Jets and brings Hackett with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I could live with it….so long as we get a NASTY OC. The undisciplined knock on his Detroit teams is a little bit troubling, you always seem to have that with a players coach. I think we can overcome, again, if we get an offensive madman calling our plays. Edited January 4, 2015 by filthymcnasty08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) "The undisciplined knock on his Detroit teams is a little bit troubling, you always seem to have that with a players coach." unless you have leaders in the locker room that set the bar high no coach wants to teach men how to behave - positive peer pressure frees them from that perfect example was Coughlin.. Giants needed discipline, and he thought it was his responsibility to provide that.. whole thing blew up on him.. but when he let his leaders lead - new ballgame Edited January 4, 2015 by BackInDaDay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Look at it this way: Can he lose with a good roster? yes Can he still lose with that and a star QB? yes Can he still lose with those and the best individual offensive and defensive players in his conference? yes He was fired for a reason. Because there was no other choice. He proved his failure. Like I said, he COULD get better. But a large sample size points to him just being another excellent DC who does not make a good HC. And anyone who says 'but, but Belichick in Cleveland.." Schwartz HAD a QB. You have to give the guy credit for taking the worst team in football to the playoffs in his 3rd year. I suppose you can blame him for Stafford's meltdown over that last season in 2013. The Lions were 6-3 after week 10, then... Lost @ Steelers 37-27. After leading 27-20 at the half, Stafford went 3-16 in the second half as the lions were blanked. Lost to TB 24-21; Lions had 5 TOs, with 4 INTs by Stafford. Beat the Pack on Thanksgiving day, Stafford's last good game of the season. Lost @ Philly 34-20; Stafford went 10/25 with no TDs or INTs, but fumbled 5 times, losing 1. Lost to Ravens 18-16; Stafford threw 3 INTs. Lost to NYG 23-20 in OT (controversial decision by Schwartz at end of reg); Stafford went 25/42 with 2 INTs Lost a meaningless game @ Minn; Stafford was decent with no C.Johnson in the lineup. Was it his coaching that caused Stafford second half of the season collapse? Edited January 4, 2015 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You have to give the guy credit for taking the worst team in football to the playoffs in his 3rd year. I suppose you can blame him for Stafford's meltdown over that last season in 2013. The Lions were 6-3 after week 10, then... Lost @ Steelers 37-27. After leading 27-20 at the half, Stafford went 3-16 in the second half as the lions were blanked. Lost to TB 24-21; Lions had 5 TOs, with 4 INTs by Stafford. Beat the Pack on Thanksgiving day, Stafford's last good game of the season. Lost @ Philly 34-20; Stafford went 10/25 with no TDs or INTs, but fumbled 5 times, losing 1. Lost to Ravens 18-16; Stafford threw 3 INTs. Lost to NYG 23-20 in OT (controversial decision by Schwartz at end of reg); Stafford went 25/42 with 2 INTs Lost a meaningless game @ Minn; Stafford was decent with no C.Johnson in the lineup. Was it his coaching that caused Stafford second half of the season collapse? And of course there is 4-12 in 2012. You can just as easily talk yourself into hiring Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio, Dick LeBeau, Norv Turner and so on. There are lots of retreads who have offset much failure with some or moderate success. In fact, most of those available men have done far more as HC's than Schwartz. What you want is a head coach whose work makes the team greater than the sum of it's parts. Is Schwartz that? Jim Caldwell's work in Detroit suggests significantly otherwise. Caldwell was a terrible college HC and lead a Colts team to the worst record in the NFL. He's not special and he improved on Schwartz. These are things we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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