Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think we need to start discussing the QB situation for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 They went out and picked up ______ who will push Kyle. EJ put in a ton of work in the off season and puts poster of joe Montana above his bed.. Also _______ and _______ will help shore up the turnstiles at guard. Any one is better than last years guys. This is the gist. Feel free to squabble about the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 They won't do anything of note at QB. Who's out there? Orton looked pretty good with time today. Shore up the O-Line at all costs so they can run AND pass effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think Orton will return as a 2nd-stringer, he's a great backup... and I don't think next year's starter is on the roster yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Cutty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I see them trying to get somebody like Bradford or working the trade angles, then settling for someone like Matt Moore. I wouldn't put it past them to look for a QB in this (weak) draft in the later rounds. It would be a stronger position to be in than last year's, but not an altogether good one. There just aren't enough options. It's why I maintain that developing a successful Manuel is the best possible outcome for the team. They won't do anything of note at QB. Who's out there? Orton looked pretty good with time today. Shore up the O-Line at all costs so they can run AND pass effectively. I'm sorry, Orton's floor is too low for a low-ceiling guy. He is never going to put up a Rich Gannon late-career season, or even a Brad Johnson one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think Orton will return as a 2nd-stringer, he's a great backup... and I don't think next year's starter is on the roster yet. I think Orton stays, too. His salary isn't obnoxiously high and he is a terrific #2. Where we disagree is, I think (actually I hope) EJ wins the starting QB job next year. But I wouldn't make it easy for him. I hope the Bills get the best FA QB they can sign, and draft one---at least. And then make the competition for the starter as truly open as it can be. The best case scenario (again, IMO) is for EJ to win that competition, as he is young (but has some starting experience) and has a butt-load of talent. I can't foresee a rookie QB I'd rather see as a starter, nor do I think the Bills can sign a FA worthy of starting next year. I think there are one or two veteran QBs who MIGHT be available who I'd prefer, but I don't see that as likely. But again, I'd make EJ earn it. No handing it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think Orton stays, too. His salary isn't obnoxiously high and he is a terrific #2. Where we disagree is, I think (actually I hope) EJ wins the starting QB job next year. But I wouldn't make it easy for him. I hope the Bills get the best FA QB they can sign, and draft one---at least. And then make the competition for the starter as truly open as it can be. The best case scenario (again, IMO) is for EJ to win that competition, as he is young (but has some starting experience) and has a butt-load of talent. I can't foresee a rookie QB I'd rather see as a starter, nor do I think the Bills can sign a FA worthy of starting next year. I think there are one or two veteran QBs who MIGHT be available who I'd prefer, but I don't see that as likely. But again, I'd make EJ earn it. No handing it to him. I'm with you 100%, Deano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'm with you 100%, Deano. We are both very intelligent fellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think we need to start discussing the QB situation for next season. Here's all you need to know. There are no franchise QBs available by trade or free agency. Neither Cutler or Bradford are a step up from Fitz or Orton. Bring either guy and we are having the same conversation next season. That said I'm convinced the Bills will first a mid-rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I want no part of Orton. No heart and no field awareness. He's dead to me. If he stays and Pears leaves, at least I'll have a new whipping boy for my scathing Internet remarks. I get he'd be a good backup (and he would be) but he cost us at least three winnable games this year (KC, Miami and Oakland) and did so with amazing sucktatude. He's got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think Orton stays, too. His salary isn't obnoxiously high and he is a terrific #2. Where we disagree is, I think (actually I hope) EJ wins the starting QB job next year. But I wouldn't make it easy for him. I hope the Bills get the best FA QB they can sign, and draft one---at least. And then make the competition for the starter as truly open as it can be. The best case scenario (again, IMO) is for EJ to win that competition, as he is young (but has some starting experience) and has a butt-load of talent. I can't foresee a rookie QB I'd rather see as a starter, nor do I think the Bills can sign a FA worthy of starting next year. I think there are one or two veteran QBs who MIGHT be available who I'd prefer, but I don't see that as likely. But again, I'd make EJ earn it. No handing it to him. In a perfect world, EJ would win the gig. Based off what I've seen so far, I don't think that's happening, and I do think the Dougs can't afford to go into next season again without a viable alternative. I'm not an EJ basher either, I just have serious doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Here's all you need to know. There are no franchise QBs available by trade or free agency. Neither Cutler or Bradford are a step up from Fitz or Orton. Bring either guy and we are having the same conversation next season. I disagree; they're both higher-ceiling guys. It's just that they're bigger risks. Cutler because of the locker room stuff, and Bradford because he's made of glass. Bigger boom/bust potential. In a perfect world, EJ would win the gig. Based off what I've seen so far, I don't think that's happening, and I do think the Dougs can't afford to go into next season again without a viable alternative. I'm not an EJ basher either, I just have serious doubts. that's fair. It's why I'd bring in a guy like Moore, as uninspiring as that might sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Orton's Cap hit next year is $7 mil he either agrees to a lower number or he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 @ChrisBrownBills: Orton not commenting on his future http://t.co/DuB8ZX27Pw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 @ChrisBrownBills: Orton not commenting on his future http://t.co/DuB8ZX27Pw This makes me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 In a perfect world, EJ would win the gig. Based off what I've seen so far, I don't think that's happening, and I do think the Dougs can't afford to go into next season again without a viable alternative. I'm not an EJ basher either, I just have serious doubts. And you are right to have those doubts, I think. And going into next season with no options other than Orton and EJ would be a HUGE mistake, IMO. But, for the sake of next year, I really hope EJ wins the gig. It's hard for me to imagine a better scenario. That is, unless the Bills pull off some unlikely pick up this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Interesting to see what Whaley does. I can't imagine them going into next season, heck even OTAs with only Orton and EJ on the roster. We shall see if Whaley has balls to make a deal, IDK who for but something has got to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Interesting to see what Whaley does. I can't imagine them going into next season, heck even OTAs with only Orton and EJ on the roster. We shall see if Whaley has balls to make a deal, IDK who for but something has got to be done. It will only take balls if it's a risky move. What he really needs is a willing partner to make a deal, in FA, trade or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The Bills will trade for Nick Foles. Philly will be shopping him hard this off-season. Chip Kelly wants a mobile QB to lead his offense. I see this happening. Foles will also be a free agent in 2016. Philly will not commit to him long term.. This makes sense for both teams because the Bills get better at QB on a 1yr addition for Foles and Philly will draft a QB high in this yrs draft possibly Hundley. Chip Kelly doesn't seem like a guy that likes to waste time. Nick Foles come to Buffalo baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It will only take balls if it's a risky move. What he really needs is a willing partner to make a deal, in FA, trade or otherwise. I hope he finds a willing partner because the QB position needs help, unfortunately every GM in the league knows that so Whaley going to be paying primo $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 I hope he finds a willing partner because the QB position needs help, unfortunately every GM in the league knows that so Whaley going to be paying primo $$$. How, pray tell, do you know this? Especially when he proved the total opposite when he let Levitre go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The Bills will trade for Nick Foles. Philly will be shopping him hard this off-season. Chip Kelly wants a mobile QB to lead his offense. I see this happening. Foles will also be a free agent in 2016. Philly will not commit to him long term.. This makes sense for both teams because the Bills get better at QB on a 1yr addition for Foles and Philly will draft a QB high in this yrs draft possibly Hundley. Chip Kelly doesn't seem like a guy that likes to waste time. Nick Foles come to Buffalo baby! I'd take Foles. Foles for EJ and Spiller. Get'r done Doug! How, pray tell, do you know this? Especially when he proved the total opposite when he let Levitre go. Really dude? You need that explained to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Really dude? You need that explained to you? Yes. Dude. Please and thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It will only take balls if it's a risky move. What he really needs is a willing partner to make a deal, in FA, trade or otherwise. I'm with you. Whaley has shown no lack of balls. That won't be the issue, IMO. But I doubt he takes a flyer on a guy who isn't a good bet to be an improvement. I'd be shocked if he went after a guy like Cutler, though. How, pray tell, do you know this? Especially when he proved the total opposite when he let Levitre go. He doesn't know this. He's just posting random stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 no one is out there since 2006 the draft has brought Luck...Stafford (0-16 on the road against teams with a winning record) Kaep (who knows) RG III yikes and Russell "Hold them to 6 and i'll take it from here" Wilson thats 8 years of drafts.....THERE ARE NO QB'S AND NOTHING THIS YEAR EITHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'm with you. Again, that's because of your genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'd take Foles. Foles for EJ and Spiller. Get'r done Doug! Really dude? You need that explained to you? Spiller is a FA and can't be traded. Really dude. You need that explained to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Yes. Dude. Please and thank you. Ok, let me ask you this, how do you think every other GM views the Bills QB situation? Good? or not so good? I think, not so good, therefor basic economics of supply and demand takes over. That's how I view it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 We have a new owner who will spend the money to make this a better team. I don't think Levitre or Jairus Byrd were worth the money they got elsewhere. That was a good second round, back then. Byrd and Levitre. Anyway, unless we get a good OL coach, it won't matter who is up there. We have some athletes on the squad who need coaching. Cyril Richardson was a unanimous All-American road grader guard for Baylor. Cyrus Koinjeijeokoijloo was a first team All American projected as high as 11th in the draft. With that kind of talent riding the pines and weak guard play, something is wrong. Bring in Jim Hanifan. I heard he quit smoking, and has a few years left before he dies of old age. He knows how to build a line. Bring back that dude from Lockport. Get somebody in there. Bring in Joe D. Somebody. It all starts in the trenches. One trench is good. The other not so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'd take Foles. Foles for EJ and Spiller. Get'r done Doug! How are we going to trade Spiller, a guy who isn't under contract for next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Ok, let me ask you this, how do you think every other GM views the Bills QB situation? Good? or not so good? I think, not so good, therefor basic economics of supply and demand takes over. That's how I view it. You didn't explain anything. You wrote a lot of words and said nothing. Try again. My question, again ... how do you know that other GMs know that Whaley is going to spend a lot of money for a QB? That is, after all, what you asserted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 How are we going to trade Spiller, a guy who isn't under contract for next season? OMG, I know that, I was just running with the get Foles post. Geez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 OMG, I know that, I was just running with the get Foles post. Geez! It was hard for me to know that based on your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 How are we going to trade Spiller, a guy who isn't under contract for next season? Let's give it a try! Maybe they won't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 OMG, I know that, I was just running with the get Foles post. Geez! I think you are on to something. The Bills should trade Watts and Megatron for a QB. Brilliant! You are forgetting Whaley started 2013 with three rookies (OK Thad wasn't' a rookie) at QB and 2014 with the same QBs as 2014. The Bills won 9 games this year. Why would you, or anyone, assume Whaley is willing to make a bad deal for a QB now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think you are on to something. The Bills should trade Watts and Megatron for a QB. Brilliant! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) You didn't explain anything. You wrote a lot of words and said nothing. Try again. My question, again ... how do you know that other GMs know that Whaley is going to spend a lot of money for a QB? That is, after all, what you asserted. I don't know if Whaley is going to spend "a lot" of money, but if somebody has something Whaley wants, then Whaley pays what ever the other GM wants, if he wants to get it. That said, other GMs knowing the Bills QB situation, they may increase their rates to Whaley opposed to someone else who is less desperate. It was hard for me to know that based on your post. It's all good. Edited December 29, 2014 by old school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 They don't know if Whaley is going to spend "a lot" of money, but if somebody has something Whaley wants, then Whaley pays what ever the other GM wants, if he wants to get it. That said, other GMs knowing the Bills QB situation, they may increase their rates to Whaley opposed to someone else who is less desperate. It's all good. Believe it or not, there are a few other teams as desperate (or even more so) than the Bills for QB help. There is quite the market for QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 ... if somebody has something Whaley wants, then Whaley pays what ever the other GM wants, if he wants to get it. That said, other GMs knowing the Bills QB situation, they may increase their rates to Whaley opposed to someone else who is less desperate. How ... for the love of everything holy ... do you know this? That's what I want to know. Because Whaley does not have a history of overspending. Ever. So I want to know how you know that other GMs will "increase their rates," or how you know that other GMs think that Whaley is "desperate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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