Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, Precision said:

Hope you are enjoying your vehicle.  I drove an "S" couple of years ago and really enjoyed how quiet the vehicle was.  It was more than we wanted to spend and being in NH I was worried about the range during our cold winter months.

 

My thoughts regarding range are that the car should take into account the weather (temperature) the second it is turned on and adjust the estimated range accordingly.  Performing this would be trivial, range loss in extremely hot or cold conditions is on the order of 20% which is significant.  Most current vehicles provide real time feedback on the driver's mileage based on speed and driving style (my 2019 A6 vehicle does this).  Drove from NH to WNY in June, when I started the trip, I thought I would need to stop for gas.  The vehicle stated my mileage was 26 MPG (415 miles of range) when I left NH, it adjusted up to 33 MPG (525 miles of range) by the time I had hit Springfield MA as the driving was all highway and traffic was light.  

 

Having said all of the above, to me there are 2 issues from the article.  First was that when owners called Tesla regarding range concerns, they were lied to regarding remote diagnostics being performed on their vehicle.  The second was that Telsa should have informed customers that range is only adjusted once the batteries reach 50% of their charge.  In some areas of the US depending on the loss in range customers might have difficulties reaching a charging station.

 

"When customers noticed their range wasn’t matching the dashboard estimates and called the company to make service appointments, Tesla employees would follow directives to tell customers they'd performed “remote diagnostics” and cancel the appointment, the report said.

The company reportedly went as far as to create an entire Las Vegas-based “diversion team” devoted to quieting customer complaints about the inaccurate range, a group that was told by managers it saved Tesla $1,000 for every appointment it canceled."

 

 

I’ve only had my BMW i4 for a year but so far have been extremely pleased with the actual and estimated range. It’s gotten to the point where I rarely even think about it. And our second vehicle is gas powered. Mind you that we live in Southern California where weather is pretty close to ideal. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

56 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve only had my BMW i4 for a year but so far have been extremely pleased with the actual and estimated range. It’s gotten to the point where I rarely even think about it. And our second vehicle is gas powered. Mind you that we live in Southern California where weather is pretty close to ideal. 

I drove from Albany to Buffalo several times recently.  I have a Grand Cherokee, didn’t worry too much about gas mileage, gas cost, but the logjams at the new rest areas sucked somein awful. 

 

The I4 is a nice looking car So Cal Richboy Deek. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I drove from Albany to Buffalo several times recently.  I have a Grand Cherokee, didn’t worry too much about gas mileage, gas cost, but the logjams at the new rest areas sucked somein awful. 

 

The I4 is a nice looking car So Cal Richboy Deek. 

Thanks! It was surprisingly less expensive than you might expect. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks! It was surprisingly less expensive than you might expect. 

Where’s the fun in calling you SoCalSensibleSpendingDeek?

[The Frankish Reich]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

The I4 is a nice looking car So Cal Richboy Deek. 

It is. 

And as Deek schooled me, "surprisingly affordable." 😀

[Precision]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Personally, I would like to see us look into nuclear options for power
 

We need alternative forms of energy

I tried out an electric car a while back. You do not want one of those going in the caterpillar mode.

I am very much in favor of nuclear as well.  Some of the small nuclear reactors coming out are promising regarding cost, efficiency and waste.  My preference would be to expand nuclear rather than spend so heavily on green energy.

 

I think solar does have a place in the energy infrastructure but have never been a fan of wind. 

 

I would like to hear from posters who advocate wind turbines as a power source.  An energy source that is intermittent, has a lifespan of roughly 20 years, a yearly MTBF of 1% per year, can impact local people and fowl (in this case eagles).  How much money was spent introducing bald eagles back into WNY only to have them unceremoniously chopped up in the name of climate change?  Have any advocates of wind turbines spent time or lived near them?  Who is responsible for cleanup from failed wind turbines or the decommissioning of them?  

 

The farmer in Rexville NY who had charred fiberglass all over his property from the wind turbine that caught fire there this spring.  Will he be fairly compensated for the cleanup, current damage and potentially future damage to his land? 

 

Are subjects like any of the above even factored into the analysis of wind power or since it's "green" some choose not to discuss the shortfalls?

 

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Where’s the fun in calling you SoCalSensibleSpendingDeek?

What’s interesting is that people assume that others who are of ‘means’ got that way through their less than sensible spending. In general I’ve found the exact opposite to be the case. 😁

[Precision]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve only had my BMW i4 for a year but so far have been extremely pleased with the actual and estimated range. It’s gotten to the point where I rarely even think about it. And our second vehicle is gas powered. Mind you that we live in Southern California where weather is pretty close to ideal. 

Nice car!  Glad to hear that your estimated range has been good!

[Doc]

19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Personally, I would like to see us look into nuclear options for power
 

We need alternative forms of energy

I tried out an electric car a while back. You do not want one of those going in the caterpillar mode.

 

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7 hours ago, Precision said:

Hope you are enjoying your vehicle.  I drove an "S" couple of years ago and really enjoyed how quiet the vehicle was.  It was more than we wanted to spend and being in NH I was worried about the range during our cold winter months.

 

My thoughts regarding range are that the car should take into account the weather (temperature) the second it is turned on and adjust the estimated range accordingly.  Performing this would be trivial, range loss in extremely hot or cold conditions is on the order of 20% which is significant.  Most current vehicles provide real time feedback on the driver's mileage based on speed and driving style (my 2019 A6 vehicle does this).  Drove from NH to WNY in June, when I started the trip, I thought I would need to stop for gas.  The vehicle stated my mileage was 26 MPG (415 miles of range) when I left NH, it adjusted up to 33 MPG (525 miles of range) by the time I had hit Springfield MA as the driving was all highway and traffic was light.  

 

Having said all of the above, to me there are 2 issues from the article.  First was that when owners called Tesla regarding range concerns, they were lied to regarding remote diagnostics being performed on their vehicle.  The second was that Telsa should have informed customers that range is only adjusted once the batteries reach 50% of their charge.  In some areas of the US depending on the loss in range customers might have difficulties reaching a charging station.

 

"When customers noticed their range wasn’t matching the dashboard estimates and called the company to make service appointments, Tesla employees would follow directives to tell customers they'd performed “remote diagnostics” and cancel the appointment, the report said.

The company reportedly went as far as to create an entire Las Vegas-based “diversion team” devoted to quieting customer complaints about the inaccurate range, a group that was told by managers it saved Tesla $1,000 for every appointment it canceled."

 

I love the car.  Only gripe is charging during long trips.  But that's an issue for every electric car and one that will need to be solved.  I use it to drive 42 miles to and from work everyday and charge overnight with no problem (it takes just 2 hours to recharge that much).

 

As for range, outside temperature can't be used because it depends on what the driver selects as their heating or cooling option (i.e. using it and for how long, what temp, how fast the fan speed, etc.) because that's what uses more battery/range.  And I've had service requests cancelled if they were deemed frivolous (software updates in my case).  It sounds like bitching just to B word because, again, YMMV and there are chargers everywhere.

 

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by Doc

[Wacka]

I really haven't seen anything about EV range or charge life  in climates like WNY winters.we get a storm like last Christmas and your EV is sitting there for another week or more.

[B-Man]

 

 

Overheated

Substack, by Jeff Childers

 

This morning I take a crack at debunking the climate narrative and you won’t believe what they haven’t been telling us

(Snip)

Surely you’ve seen all the climate hysteria lately, and probably seen lots of counter argument. But there are some things they haven’t been telling us, that are in themselves complete explanations for any increased world temperatures we might be living through this summer. It’s not carbon dioxide, as crypto-marxist, faux protest group “Extinction Rebellion” wants you to think: Let’s meet the historic, record-shattering Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption of 2022, which I bet you never heard of.

 

 

 

The volcano was underwater. It was larger than anything in modern history. It sent 150,000 metric tons of super-heated water into the atmosphere, which will heat up the climate for years. The piece includes excerpts from NASA documents and research studies

 

 

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/overheated-friday-july-28-2023-c

 

[Unforgiven]

Ford Keeps Losing More Money Making Electric Cars No One Wants

 

ack in March, I wrote that, “Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023. Unlike most automakers, Ford reports its electric vehicle numbers separately, but experts estimate that most car companies are losing similar amounts on the dead end business.”

“Ford plans to make 2 million electric cars every year by 2025. That would be impressive considering that Ford only sold 61,575 of them in 2022. It sold 3,624 electric vehicles in Feb 2023.”

And the numbers just keep getting worse. It’s now a loss of $4.5 billion.

 

The truth is this was the plan - democrats stealing money and giving a lot of it to their chinese allies.

It's a big heist.

[Doc]

You'd think that with the lack of sales, these cars would be selling dirt cheap.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Precision]

On 7/29/2023 at 12:35 PM, Doc said:

 

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I love the car.  Only gripe is charging during long trips.  But that's an issue for every electric car and one that will need to be solved.  I use it to drive 42 miles to and from work everyday and charge overnight with no problem (it takes just 2 hours to recharge that much).

 

As for range, outside temperature can't be used because it depends on what the driver selects as their heating or cooling option (i.e. using it, what temp and how fast the fan speed).  And I've had service requests cancelled if they were deemed frivolous (software updates in my case).  It sounds like bitching just to B word because, again, YMMV and there are chargers everywhere.

 

 

Glad it has been a good vehicle for you!  

 

I did not realize that Tesla would cancel service requests they deemed frivolous.  I'm not sure how I feel about this, but it is certainly different from my experience in servicing my vehicles.  I think the issue in the linked article was that Tesla indicated to owners that they had performed "remote diagnostics" on the vehicle when they had not.  I could see why Tesla would consider this frivolous but as an owner I would be upset at being misled regarding the diagnostics not being performed.

 

I don't think you understood the point I was trying to make regarding range.  At hot and cold temperatures your car will have less range due to the reduced energy storage of the batteries.  This is regardless of how or if you use the HVAC/stereo/wipers/lights/etc.  This loss of range is not fed back to the driver until late in the process of driving, not until the battery hits 50% of its stored energy.  As an example, your car at an outside temperature of 32F will indicate 315 miles of range at startup even though it is impossible for it to exceed 250 miles.  

 

 

Referencing the graph, temperatures in the single digits can drop range by 50%.  This is certainly an issue for some drivers and is potentially a safety issue depending on your location/distance between charging stations. 

 

Adjusting the "potential range" (which as you indicated is likely even less) based on the energy stored in the batteries (which correlates with outside temperature) is the responsible path that Tesla should have taken rather than just indicating the possible range under ideal circumstances.  This large variance in range without informing the driver would certainly initiate a recall in an ICE vehicle.  

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Precision said:

Glad it has been a good vehicle for you!  

 

I did not realize that Tesla would cancel service requests they deemed frivolous.  I'm not sure how I feel about this, but it is certainly different from my experience in servicing my vehicles.  I think the issue in the linked article was that Tesla indicated to owners that they had performed "remote diagnostics" on the vehicle when they had not.  I could see why Tesla would consider this frivolous but as an owner I would be upset at being misled regarding the diagnostics not being performed.

 

I don't think you understood the point I was trying to make regarding range.  At hot and cold temperatures your car will have less range due to the reduced energy storage of the batteries.  This is regardless of how or if you use the HVAC/stereo/wipers/lights/etc.  This loss of range is not fed back to the driver until late in the process of driving, not until the battery hits 50% of its stored energy.  As an example, your car at an outside temperature of 32F will indicate 315 miles of range at startup even though it is impossible for it to exceed 250 miles.  

 

 

Referencing the graph, temperatures in the single digits can drop range by 50%.  This is certainly an issue for some drivers and is potentially a safety issue depending on your location/distance between charging stations. 

 

Adjusting the "potential range" (which as you indicated is likely even less) based on the energy stored in the batteries (which correlates with outside temperature) is the responsible path that Tesla should have taken rather than just indicating the possible range under ideal circumstances.  This large variance in range without informing the driver would certainly initiate a recall in an ICE vehicle.  

 

I have a friend who rents a Tesla out on Turo and he has found the demand for one has dropped drastically over the past two years, and his other vehicles are renting better. He is not sure why but in 2021 it was his best profit maker vehicle, and now it is not even average- he has a total of 8 vehicles between him and his in-laws.

[Gregg]

[Precision]

On 7/31/2023 at 10:51 AM, Orlando Tim said:

I have a friend who rents a Tesla out on Turo and he has found the demand for one has dropped drastically over the past two years, and his other vehicles are renting better. He is not sure why but in 2021 it was his best profit maker vehicle, and now it is not even average- he has a total of 8 vehicles between him and his in-laws.

That is odd!  Maybe higher gas prices previously or perhaps the EV novelty wore off?

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Precision said:

That is odd!  Maybe higher gas prices previously or perhaps the EV novelty wore off?

It's more likely because (a) there are many competitors to Tesla if you really want to rent an EV (b) some Democrats are still pissed off at Musk, so they don't want that stank on them. 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

It's more likely because (a) there are many competitors to Tesla if you really want to rent an EV (b) some Democrats are still pissed off at Musk, so they don't want that stank on them. 

I did not ask him the question if there are a lot more EVs available on that site now, I probably should have started there. 2 years ago the Turo market in Florida was very hot, now it is not hot at all