TC in St. Louis Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 All that video shows is how pathetic a call it was. The guy jumped because of the snap count. Our left guard moved a bit too. These are human beings who breathe and stuff. They are not statues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 All that video shows is how pathetic a call it was. The guy jumped because of the snap count. Our left guard moved a bit too. These are human beings who breathe and stuff. They are not statues. That movement was done on purpose, twice. Marrone tried to get the offsides, nothing wrong with that. He just got caught is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 What I don't get is that a guard is allowed to tap the center on the leg when to snap the ball during silent counts. So it's okay to move your arms without getting flagged? but have a slight twitch in your leg and it's a penalty. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 What I don't get is that a guard is allowed to tap the center on the leg when to snap the ball during silent counts. So it's okay to move your arms without getting flagged? but have a slight twitch in your leg and it's a penalty. Makes no sense. A lot of rules in the NFL are like that for me. I think in this case the guard doesn't get into the 3 point stance until after he taps the center maybe? Not sure. But there are enough rule experts here I'm sure you will get a good answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 That movement was done on purpose, twice. Marrone tried to get the offsides, nothing wrong with that. He just got caught is all. Â Wait. Are you saying that Henderson moved on purpose? That would be insane. The snap count was intended to draw the guy offside. I cannot fathom coaching a guy to twitch and risk the penalty being called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Wait. Are you saying that Henderson moved on purpose? That would be insane. The snap count was intended to draw the guy offside. I cannot fathom coaching a guy to twitch and risk the penalty being called. Yes, he is saying that, and I suspect he's right. Why not try it, after all? It has worked before for other teams (I've seen it), and there was absolutely no chance the Bills weren't punting there if they didn't draw them off. Those were really slight but visible movements - one on each side, in sequence. The first time it didn't work, but the second time it did. It also appeared that Henderson was in full control of his body and was doing it to get the guy to jump without seeming like he was moving to the refs. Doing it twice while in control of his body is the giveaway. Assuming this is right (and I think it is), I applaud the attempt even though it failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Yes, he is saying that, and I suspect he's right. Why not try it, after all? It has worked before for other teams (I've seen it), and there was absolutely no chance the Bills weren't punting there if they didn't draw them off. Those were really slight but visible movements - one on each side, in sequence. The first time it didn't work, but the second time it did. It also appeared that Henderson was in full control of his body and was doing it to get the guy to jump without seeming like he was moving to the refs. Doing it twice while in control of his body is the giveaway. Assuming this is right (and I think it is), I applaud the attempt even though it failed. Exactly. The only problem with it, is that they got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The Bills didn't lose because of that call. In fact, at this point I done even care about the call itself. Â What is preposterous is to actually look at that play and conclude Henderson committed a penalty. Read the rule, watch a game, stand still for more than 4 seconds. Nothing Henderson did remotely approached an infraction. After watching it about 25 times, I finally could see that his leg moved about a quarter of an inch at a very slow pace. That's not an infraction. If it is, according to you, then there is a false start on every play. Â Again, the rule doesn't state that a player has to freeze and can't move a muscle. Read it. Â It was 100 percent a penalty. Look at the second movement on the far side of his body (the left thigh and shoulder). Very obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfk Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I suspect Ortens 4 shots (blanks) into the end zone were caused by penalties..Gaw Dam Refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 All that video shows is how pathetic a call it was. The guy jumped because of the snap count. Our left guard moved a bit too. These are human beings who breathe and stuff. They are not statues. You keep saying this but it is not true. Â On the vine video you can clearly see Henderson's left (inside) shoulder twitch. instantly the Chief jumps and points at Henderson. At first I thought there was no way that the defender saw Henderson's twitch, but I only saw his leg move. two different times. He actually moved three times, but the shoulder twitch caused the defender to jump that was right inside of him. Â Dave Mcbride was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Someone has to do something about the refs before I run onto the field and do something regrettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Beeeews Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Ask yourselves this question: If this team is named the New England Patriots, is there a false start, push off or late hit called? NO! And its getting really old. Its hard enough to beat an NFL team every wee, but beating the refs AND the opposing team is VERY difficult. We dont get our hand held up and down the field like that shady ass team from Foxborough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hell, in the Miami game earlier in the year, their guard actually stood up three separate times and wasn't called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Â You keep saying this but it is not true. Â On the vine video you can clearly see Henderson's left (inside) shoulder twitch. instantly the Chief jumps and points at Henderson. At first I thought there was no way that the defender saw Henderson's twitch, but I only saw his leg move. two different times. He actually moved three times, but the shoulder twitch caused the defender to jump that was right inside of him. Â Dave Mcbride was correct. Â OY VEY! Here's the rule...how is a "faint, twitch" addressed in the rule. Â No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. Â No interior lineman may move abruptly after taking or simulating a three-point stance. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) OY VEY! Here's the rule...how is a "faint, twitch" addressed in the rule.  No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started.  No interior lineman may move abruptly after taking or simulating a three-point stance.  abrupt  1 a : characterized by or involving action or change without preparation or warning : unexpected  abrupt adjective 1. sudden or unexpected:   Synonyms  1, 3. quick, sharp. See sudden. 2. short, hurried, hasty, blunt. 4. discontinuous, broken, uneven.  Let me guess, are you now going to try say Henderson's twitch(es) was(were) slow?  All that video shows is how pathetic a call it was. The guy jumped because of the snap count. Our left guard moved a bit too. These are human beings who breathe and stuff. They are not statues.  That's why the KC guy who jumped and about 2 other teammates pointed right at Henderson. Henderson must have been shouting the snap count. Edited November 11, 2014 by Cynical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 BTW, the guy returning the kick off at exactly the 7'09'' mark in the second quarter was out of bounds and the ref is looking right at him. Â Forgive the bad quality photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 OY VEY! Here's the rule...how is a "faint, twitch" addressed in the rule. Â No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started. Â No interior lineman may move abruptly after taking or simulating a three-point stance. Â I posted this yesterday. Try to keep up. Â Anyway, the rule is nicely explained. Yet you still can't comprehend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Â Â Wait. Are you saying that Henderson moved on purpose? That would be insane. The snap count was intended to draw the guy offside. I cannot fathom coaching a guy to twitch and risk the penalty being called. Â in a spot like that where field position matters little and a penalty on KC would be huge - a little gamesmanship isnt terrible. hell, they might have planned on taking a delay of game instead of running a play or burning a time out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 https://vine.co/v/OiH06vArWL5 Here's a link of the Endzone shot of the flinch. As you'll see, it was quite easy for defender to jump / ref to call it false start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 https://vine.co/v/OiH06vArWL5 Here's a link of the Endzone shot of the flinch. As you'll see, it was quite easy for defender to jump / ref to call it false start. Yeah that shows it as good as anything. Nothing wrong with trying it, but can't really B word about it being called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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