What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'

By Jeff Charles

 

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/04/22/brooklyn-man-convicted-over-gun-hobby-by-biased-ny-court-could-be-facing-harsh-sentence-n2173162

 

 

 

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[Doc]

4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas:

 

• 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people
• 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8
• 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston
• 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7
• 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22
• 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School
• 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting

Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns:

•  self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings.
• More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%
• States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides

 

So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down.

 

Meanwhile there's the equivalent of the rare mass shooting every weekend in Chicago...

[Tommy Callahan]

Any bets 

 

RIP

[B-Man]

 

 

CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: 

 

Georgia Governor Kemp Signs Law to Protect Financial Data of Gun Buyers.

 

 

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp has signed into law HB 1018, the Second Amendment Privacy Act. This NSSF-supported law protects the privacy and sensitive financial information of people purchasing firearms and ammunition in the Peach State. With Georgia, there are now 14 states with laws that protect the Second Amendment financial privacy of their citizens.

 

The law prohibits financial institutions from requiring the use of a firearm code, also known as a Merchant Category Code (MCC), from being assigned to firearm and ammunition purchases at retail when using a credit card. The law also forbids discriminating against a firearm retailer as a result of the assigned or non-assignment of a firearm code and disclosing the protected financial information. Additionally, the law prohibits keeping or causing to be kept any list, record or registry of private firearm ownership.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/546315-2/

 

 

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[ChiGoose]

Just as an FYI, here are the US counties with the top per capita homicide rate (per 100,000):

1. 59.3 - Phillips County, AR
2. 53.9 - Leflore County, MS
3. 48.9 - Lowndes County, AL
4. 48.5 - St. Louis City, MO
5. 48.2 - Washington County, MS
6. 45.6 - Petersburg City, VA
7. 43.4 - Hinds County, MA
8. 42.5 - Wilcox County, AL
9. 42.5 - Macon County, AL
10. 40.5 - Baltimore City, MD
11. 40.5 - Holmes County, MS
12. 39.4 - Orleans Parish, LA
13. 38.7 - Dallas County, AL
14. 36.7 - Dillon County, SC
15. 36.3 - Jefferson County, AR
16. 32.6 - Sunflower County, MS
17. 29.5 - Adams County, MS
18. 29.0 - Bolivar County, MS
19. 28.9 - Coahoma County, MS
20. 28.0 - Shelby County, TN
21. 26.9 - Mississippi County, AR
22. 25.6 - Montgomery County, AL
23. 25.6 - Crittenden County, AR
24. 25.4 - Philadelphia County, PA
25. 25.3 - Lee County, SC
26. 25.1 - Robeson County, NC
27. 24.9 - St. Francis County, AR
28. 24.9 - Bibb County, GA
29. 24.8 - Yazoo County, MS
30. 24.7 - Caddo Parish, LA
31. 24.3 - Scotland County, NC
32. 24.3 - Jefferson County, AL
33. 24.2 - Colleton County, SC
34. 24.2 - Portsmouth City, VA
35. 24.2 - Morehouse Parish, LA
36. 24.2 - East Baton Rouge Parish, LA
37. 24.1 - Barnwell County, SC
38. 23.8 - Vance County, NC
39. 22.8 - Pike county - MS
40. 22.4 - Jackson County, MO
41. 22.1 Copiah County, MS
42. 21.9 - Orangeburg County, SC
43. 21.5 - Darlington County, SC
44. 21.2 - Anson County, NC
45. 21.1 - Wyandotte County, KS
46. 21.0 - Grenada County, MS
47. 20.8 - Richmond City, VA
48. 20.6 - St. James Parish, LA
49. 20.5 - District of Columbia, DC
50. 20.4 - Fairfield County, SC
51. 20.0 - Uvalde County, TX
52. 19.9 - Marlboro County, SC
53. 19.8 - Muscogee County, GA
54. 19.7 - Lauderdale County, MS
55. 19.5 - Hartford County, NC
56. 18.9 - Mario County, IN
57. 18.7 - Edgecombe County, NC
58. 18.5 - Danville City, VA
59. 18.1 - Leake County, MS
60. 17.9 - Russell County, AL
61. 17.6 - Hopewell City, VA - 17.6
62. 17.5 - Natchitoches Parish, LA
63. 17.5 - Halifax County, NC
64. 17.4 - Pulaski County, AR
65. 17.3 - St. Clair County, IL
66. 17.3 - Columbus County, NC
67. 17.2 - Williamsburg County, SC
68. 17.0 - Wayne County, MI
69. 17.0 - Florence County, SC
70. 17.0 - Clayton County, GA
71. 16.9 - Talladega County, AL
72. 16.9 - Jefferson County, KY
73. 16.9 - Lincoln County, MS
74. 16.9 - Milwaukee County, WI
75. 16.8 - Marion County, SC
76. 16.7 - Marshall County, MS
77. 16.7 - Union County, AR
78. 16.6 - St. John the Baptist Parish, LA
79. 16.6 - Warren County, MS
80. 16.1 - Dougherty County, GA
81. 16.1 - Iberia Parish, LA
82. 16.1 - Gadsden County, FL
83. 16.0 - Iberville Parish, LA
84. 15.5 - St. Louis County, MO
85. 15.5 - Lake County, IN
86. 15.4 - Hoke County, NC
87. 15.4 - Norfolk City, VA
88. 15.3 - Washington Parish, LA
89. 14.9 - DeKalb County, GA
90. 14.9 - Mobile County, AL
91. 14.9 - Laurens County, GA
92. 14.9 - Chaves County, NM
93. 14.7 - Cook County, IL
94. 14.6 - St. Landry Parish, LA
95. 14.3 - Okmulgee County, OK
96. 14.2 - Cuyahoga County, OH
97. 14.0 - Richmond County, GA
98. 13.7 - McCurtain County, OK
99. 13.7 - Panola County, MS
100. 13.7 - Chester County, SC
101. 13.7 - Hampton City, VA
102. 13.7 - Rapides Parish, LA

[L Ron Burgundy]

41 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Just as an FYI, here are the US counties with the top per capita homicide rate (per 100,000):

1. 59.3 - Phillips County, AR
2. 53.9 - Leflore County, MS
3. 48.9 - Lowndes County, AL
4. 48.5 - St. Louis City, MO
5. 48.2 - Washington County, MS
6. 45.6 - Petersburg City, VA
7. 43.4 - Hinds County, MA
8. 42.5 - Wilcox County, AL
9. 42.5 - Macon County, AL
10. 40.5 - Baltimore City, MD
11. 40.5 - Holmes County, MS
12. 39.4 - Orleans Parish, LA
13. 38.7 - Dallas County, AL
14. 36.7 - Dillon County, SC
15. 36.3 - Jefferson County, AR
16. 32.6 - Sunflower County, MS
17. 29.5 - Adams County, MS
18. 29.0 - Bolivar County, MS
19. 28.9 - Coahoma County, MS
20. 28.0 - Shelby County, TN
21. 26.9 - Mississippi County, AR
22. 25.6 - Montgomery County, AL
23. 25.6 - Crittenden County, AR
24. 25.4 - Philadelphia County, PA
25. 25.3 - Lee County, SC
26. 25.1 - Robeson County, NC
27. 24.9 - St. Francis County, AR
28. 24.9 - Bibb County, GA
29. 24.8 - Yazoo County, MS
30. 24.7 - Caddo Parish, LA
31. 24.3 - Scotland County, NC
32. 24.3 - Jefferson County, AL
33. 24.2 - Colleton County, SC
34. 24.2 - Portsmouth City, VA
35. 24.2 - Morehouse Parish, LA
36. 24.2 - East Baton Rouge Parish, LA
37. 24.1 - Barnwell County, SC
38. 23.8 - Vance County, NC
39. 22.8 - Pike county - MS
40. 22.4 - Jackson County, MO
41. 22.1 Copiah County, MS
42. 21.9 - Orangeburg County, SC
43. 21.5 - Darlington County, SC
44. 21.2 - Anson County, NC
45. 21.1 - Wyandotte County, KS
46. 21.0 - Grenada County, MS
47. 20.8 - Richmond City, VA
48. 20.6 - St. James Parish, LA
49. 20.5 - District of Columbia, DC
50. 20.4 - Fairfield County, SC
51. 20.0 - Uvalde County, TX
52. 19.9 - Marlboro County, SC
53. 19.8 - Muscogee County, GA
54. 19.7 - Lauderdale County, MS
55. 19.5 - Hartford County, NC
56. 18.9 - Mario County, IN
57. 18.7 - Edgecombe County, NC
58. 18.5 - Danville City, VA
59. 18.1 - Leake County, MS
60. 17.9 - Russell County, AL
61. 17.6 - Hopewell City, VA - 17.6
62. 17.5 - Natchitoches Parish, LA
63. 17.5 - Halifax County, NC
64. 17.4 - Pulaski County, AR
65. 17.3 - St. Clair County, IL
66. 17.3 - Columbus County, NC
67. 17.2 - Williamsburg County, SC
68. 17.0 - Wayne County, MI
69. 17.0 - Florence County, SC
70. 17.0 - Clayton County, GA
71. 16.9 - Talladega County, AL
72. 16.9 - Jefferson County, KY
73. 16.9 - Lincoln County, MS
74. 16.9 - Milwaukee County, WI
75. 16.8 - Marion County, SC
76. 16.7 - Marshall County, MS
77. 16.7 - Union County, AR
78. 16.6 - St. John the Baptist Parish, LA
79. 16.6 - Warren County, MS
80. 16.1 - Dougherty County, GA
81. 16.1 - Iberia Parish, LA
82. 16.1 - Gadsden County, FL
83. 16.0 - Iberville Parish, LA
84. 15.5 - St. Louis County, MO
85. 15.5 - Lake County, IN
86. 15.4 - Hoke County, NC
87. 15.4 - Norfolk City, VA
88. 15.3 - Washington Parish, LA
89. 14.9 - DeKalb County, GA
90. 14.9 - Mobile County, AL
91. 14.9 - Laurens County, GA
92. 14.9 - Chaves County, NM
93. 14.7 - Cook County, IL
94. 14.6 - St. Landry Parish, LA
95. 14.3 - Okmulgee County, OK
96. 14.2 - Cuyahoga County, OH
97. 14.0 - Richmond County, GA
98. 13.7 - McCurtain County, OK
99. 13.7 - Panola County, MS
100. 13.7 - Chester County, SC
101. 13.7 - Hampton City, VA
102. 13.7 - Rapides Parish, LA

But, but, but, blue cities...sanctuary something...and Bengazi!  

[KDIGGZ]

So when someone commits suicide in a town with 100 people they then lead the nation in gun deaths? 

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

But, but, but, blue cities...sanctuary something...and Bengazi!  

 

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Just as an FYI, here are the US counties with the top per capita homicide rate (per 100,000):

1. 59.3 - Phillips County, AR
2. 53.9 - Leflore County, MS
3. 48.9 - Lowndes County, AL
4. 48.5 - St. Louis City, MO
5. 48.2 - Washington County, MS
6. 45.6 - Petersburg City, VA
7. 43.4 - Hinds County, MA
8. 42.5 - Wilcox County, AL
9. 42.5 - Macon County, AL
10. 40.5 - Baltimore City, MD
11. 40.5 - Holmes County, MS
12. 39.4 - Orleans Parish, LA
13. 38.7 - Dallas County, AL
14. 36.7 - Dillon County, SC
15. 36.3 - Jefferson County, AR
16. 32.6 - Sunflower County, MS
17. 29.5 - Adams County, MS
18. 29.0 - Bolivar County, MS
19. 28.9 - Coahoma County, MS
20. 28.0 - Shelby County, TN
21. 26.9 - Mississippi County, AR
22. 25.6 - Montgomery County, AL
23. 25.6 - Crittenden County, AR
24. 25.4 - Philadelphia County, PA
25. 25.3 - Lee County, SC
26. 25.1 - Robeson County, NC
27. 24.9 - St. Francis County, AR
28. 24.9 - Bibb County, GA
29. 24.8 - Yazoo County, MS
30. 24.7 - Caddo Parish, LA
31. 24.3 - Scotland County, NC
32. 24.3 - Jefferson County, AL
33. 24.2 - Colleton County, SC
34. 24.2 - Portsmouth City, VA
35. 24.2 - Morehouse Parish, LA
36. 24.2 - East Baton Rouge Parish, LA
37. 24.1 - Barnwell County, SC
38. 23.8 - Vance County, NC
39. 22.8 - Pike county - MS
40. 22.4 - Jackson County, MO
41. 22.1 Copiah County, MS
42. 21.9 - Orangeburg County, SC
43. 21.5 - Darlington County, SC
44. 21.2 - Anson County, NC
45. 21.1 - Wyandotte County, KS
46. 21.0 - Grenada County, MS
47. 20.8 - Richmond City, VA
48. 20.6 - St. James Parish, LA
49. 20.5 - District of Columbia, DC
50. 20.4 - Fairfield County, SC
51. 20.0 - Uvalde County, TX
52. 19.9 - Marlboro County, SC
53. 19.8 - Muscogee County, GA
54. 19.7 - Lauderdale County, MS
55. 19.5 - Hartford County, NC
56. 18.9 - Mario County, IN
57. 18.7 - Edgecombe County, NC
58. 18.5 - Danville City, VA
59. 18.1 - Leake County, MS
60. 17.9 - Russell County, AL
61. 17.6 - Hopewell City, VA - 17.6
62. 17.5 - Natchitoches Parish, LA
63. 17.5 - Halifax County, NC
64. 17.4 - Pulaski County, AR
65. 17.3 - St. Clair County, IL
66. 17.3 - Columbus County, NC
67. 17.2 - Williamsburg County, SC
68. 17.0 - Wayne County, MI
69. 17.0 - Florence County, SC
70. 17.0 - Clayton County, GA
71. 16.9 - Talladega County, AL
72. 16.9 - Jefferson County, KY
73. 16.9 - Lincoln County, MS
74. 16.9 - Milwaukee County, WI
75. 16.8 - Marion County, SC
76. 16.7 - Marshall County, MS
77. 16.7 - Union County, AR
78. 16.6 - St. John the Baptist Parish, LA
79. 16.6 - Warren County, MS
80. 16.1 - Dougherty County, GA
81. 16.1 - Iberia Parish, LA
82. 16.1 - Gadsden County, FL
83. 16.0 - Iberville Parish, LA
84. 15.5 - St. Louis County, MO
85. 15.5 - Lake County, IN
86. 15.4 - Hoke County, NC
87. 15.4 - Norfolk City, VA
88. 15.3 - Washington Parish, LA
89. 14.9 - DeKalb County, GA
90. 14.9 - Mobile County, AL
91. 14.9 - Laurens County, GA
92. 14.9 - Chaves County, NM
93. 14.7 - Cook County, IL
94. 14.6 - St. Landry Parish, LA
95. 14.3 - Okmulgee County, OK
96. 14.2 - Cuyahoga County, OH
97. 14.0 - Richmond County, GA
98. 13.7 - McCurtain County, OK
99. 13.7 - Panola County, MS
100. 13.7 - Chester County, SC
101. 13.7 - Hampton City, VA
102. 13.7 - Rapides Parish, LA

Nothing is funnier than liberals inability to do real research- the majority of these countries are deep blue. I just took the top 3, not sure when you will first hit a Red county, I don't have that much time,  but of the counties that are on this list year in and year out at least 90% of them are deep blue. 

 

In the last Presidential election, Phillips county remained very strongly Democratic, 58.0% to 38.7%.

 

In Leflore County, MS 70.2% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 28.7% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.1% voted Independent

 

In Lowndes County, AL 72.7% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 26.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 0.4% voted Independent

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Just as an FYI, here are the US counties with the top per capita homicide rate (per 100,000):

1. 59.3 - Phillips County, AR
2. 53.9 - Leflore County, MS
3. 48.9 - Lowndes County, AL
4. 48.5 - St. Louis City, MO
5. 48.2 - Washington County, MS
6. 45.6 - Petersburg City, VA
7. 43.4 - Hinds County, MA
8. 42.5 - Wilcox County, AL
9. 42.5 - Macon County, AL
10. 40.5 - Baltimore City, MD
11. 40.5 - Holmes County, MS
12. 39.4 - Orleans Parish, LA
13. 38.7 - Dallas County, AL
14. 36.7 - Dillon County, SC
15. 36.3 - Jefferson County, AR
16. 32.6 - Sunflower County, MS
17. 29.5 - Adams County, MS
18. 29.0 - Bolivar County, MS
19. 28.9 - Coahoma County, MS
20. 28.0 - Shelby County, TN
21. 26.9 - Mississippi County, AR
22. 25.6 - Montgomery County, AL
23. 25.6 - Crittenden County, AR
24. 25.4 - Philadelphia County, PA
25. 25.3 - Lee County, SC
26. 25.1 - Robeson County, NC
27. 24.9 - St. Francis County, AR
28. 24.9 - Bibb County, GA
29. 24.8 - Yazoo County, MS
30. 24.7 - Caddo Parish, LA
31. 24.3 - Scotland County, NC
32. 24.3 - Jefferson County, AL
33. 24.2 - Colleton County, SC
34. 24.2 - Portsmouth City, VA
35. 24.2 - Morehouse Parish, LA
36. 24.2 - East Baton Rouge Parish, LA
37. 24.1 - Barnwell County, SC
38. 23.8 - Vance County, NC
39. 22.8 - Pike county - MS
40. 22.4 - Jackson County, MO
41. 22.1 Copiah County, MS
42. 21.9 - Orangeburg County, SC
43. 21.5 - Darlington County, SC
44. 21.2 - Anson County, NC
45. 21.1 - Wyandotte County, KS
46. 21.0 - Grenada County, MS
47. 20.8 - Richmond City, VA
48. 20.6 - St. James Parish, LA
49. 20.5 - District of Columbia, DC
50. 20.4 - Fairfield County, SC
51. 20.0 - Uvalde County, TX
52. 19.9 - Marlboro County, SC
53. 19.8 - Muscogee County, GA
54. 19.7 - Lauderdale County, MS
55. 19.5 - Hartford County, NC
56. 18.9 - Mario County, IN
57. 18.7 - Edgecombe County, NC
58. 18.5 - Danville City, VA
59. 18.1 - Leake County, MS
60. 17.9 - Russell County, AL
61. 17.6 - Hopewell City, VA - 17.6
62. 17.5 - Natchitoches Parish, LA
63. 17.5 - Halifax County, NC
64. 17.4 - Pulaski County, AR
65. 17.3 - St. Clair County, IL
66. 17.3 - Columbus County, NC
67. 17.2 - Williamsburg County, SC
68. 17.0 - Wayne County, MI
69. 17.0 - Florence County, SC
70. 17.0 - Clayton County, GA
71. 16.9 - Talladega County, AL
72. 16.9 - Jefferson County, KY
73. 16.9 - Lincoln County, MS
74. 16.9 - Milwaukee County, WI
75. 16.8 - Marion County, SC
76. 16.7 - Marshall County, MS
77. 16.7 - Union County, AR
78. 16.6 - St. John the Baptist Parish, LA
79. 16.6 - Warren County, MS
80. 16.1 - Dougherty County, GA
81. 16.1 - Iberia Parish, LA
82. 16.1 - Gadsden County, FL
83. 16.0 - Iberville Parish, LA
84. 15.5 - St. Louis County, MO
85. 15.5 - Lake County, IN
86. 15.4 - Hoke County, NC
87. 15.4 - Norfolk City, VA
88. 15.3 - Washington Parish, LA
89. 14.9 - DeKalb County, GA
90. 14.9 - Mobile County, AL
91. 14.9 - Laurens County, GA
92. 14.9 - Chaves County, NM
93. 14.7 - Cook County, IL
94. 14.6 - St. Landry Parish, LA
95. 14.3 - Okmulgee County, OK
96. 14.2 - Cuyahoga County, OH
97. 14.0 - Richmond County, GA
98. 13.7 - McCurtain County, OK
99. 13.7 - Panola County, MS
100. 13.7 - Chester County, SC
101. 13.7 - Hampton City, VA
102. 13.7 - Rapides Parish, LA

Now do by political officiating of said county.    Derp.

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

Nothing is funnier than liberals inability to do real research- the majority of these countries are deep blue. I just took the top 3, not sure when you will first hit a Red county, I don't have that much time,  but of the counties that are on this list year in and year out at least 90% of them are deep blue. 

 

In the last Presidential election, Phillips county remained very strongly Democratic, 58.0% to 38.7%.

 

In Leflore County, MS 70.2% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 28.7% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 1.1% voted Independent

 

In Lowndes County, AL 72.7% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 26.9% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 0.4% voted Independent

I’ll take the next three:

 

St Louis - no need to look it up. Obviously. 
Washington County, MS - 70% voted dem in 2020 election 

Petersburg, VA 87% dem in 2020

 

Will await more brilliance like the last effort from L Ron Dumbass before spending any more time on this. 

 

[ChiGoose]

Gotta love that simple facts presented without any commentary triggered the usual crowd to the point that one person confused homicide with suicide. 
 

Simple question for the pro-homicide crowd: are gun laws generally set by the state or the county?

48 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

But, but, but, blue cities...sanctuary something...and Bengazi!  

Hey, if facts mattered to them, they wouldn’t be Republicans. 

[ChiGoose]

By the way, if homicides were due to liberal policies, wouldn’t we be seeing a lot of counties from California and New York on the list?

[Orlando Tim]

24 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Gotta love that simple facts presented without any commentary triggered the usual crowd to the point that one person confused homicide with suicide. 
 

Simple question for the pro-homicide crowd: are gun laws generally set by the state or the county?

Hey, if facts mattered to them, they wouldn’t be Republicans. 

I'm pretty sure murder is against the law in every jurisdiction, I am pointing out that Democrats don't follow basic rules, what point are you trying to make? 

[L Ron Burgundy]

54 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

I’ll take the next three:

 

St Louis - no need to look it up. Obviously. 
Washington County, MS - 70% voted dem in 2020 election 

Petersburg, VA 87% dem in 2020

 

Will await more brilliance like the last effort from L Ron Dumbass before spending any more time on this. 

 

Triggered.  

 

Really quickly tbh.  

[JDHillFan]

24 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Gotta love that simple facts presented without any commentary triggered the usual crowd to the point that one person confused homicide with suicide. 
 

Simple question for the pro-homicide crowd: are gun laws generally set by the state or the county?

Hey, if facts mattered to them, they wouldn’t be Republicans. 

You tried the same thing in the incredibly idiotic “Day of Hate” thread that you started, listing the top five states for homicide trying to paint it as a red state issue. It was dumb then and your “simple facts presented without any commentary” are equally clueless now.  There’s a reason no commentary was added. Wonder what it could possibly be. 
 

Nice attaboy for L Ron’s childish drivel! 
 

For someone with “everybody’s talking about sex because gay people exist” and the “human trafficking across state lines” of migrants on your resume you cast a lot of stones. Whatever works for you I guess. 

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Triggered.  

 

Really quickly tbh.  

Yes, triggered. Sad that the youth of America, as represented by you, could post something so unoriginal and idiotic as “but but but…”. Carry on whippersnapper. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

You tried the same thing in the incredibly idiotic “Day of Hate” thread that you started, listing the top five states for homicide trying to paint it as a red state issue. It was dumb then and your “simple facts presented without any commentary” are equally clueless now.  There’s a reason no commentary was added. Wonder what it could possibly be. 
 

Nice attaboy for L Ron’s childish drivel! 
 

For someone with “everybody’s talking about sex because gay people exist” and the “human trafficking across state lines” of migrants on your resume you cast a lot of stones. Whatever works for you I guess. 

Still triggered.  Have a beer, relax.  Your gonna tempt Goose to post more facts.  That's the last thing you need in your life.  Did you forget your blood pressure meds?  Retrace your steps, we'll get through this.

[JDHillFan]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Still triggered.  Have a beer, relax.  Your gonna tempt Goose to post more facts.  That's the last thing you need in your life.  Did you forget your blood pressure meds?  Retrace your steps, we'll get through this.

What are your thoughts on why the top six murderous places in America (per capita) are such heavily blue areas? I imagine these areas have benefited from uninterrupted decades of progressive policies. It’s as if those policies don’t produce good results. 

[ChiGoose]

I’m sure that at any moment, one of the pro-gun people who believe that guns make us safer will post data showing that the more guns per capita, the fewer homicides.

 

I’ll just hold my breath waiting for their data 

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I’m sure that at any moment, one of the pro-gun people who believe that guns make us safer will post data showing that the more guns per capita, the fewer homicides.

 

I’ll just hold my breath waiting for their data 

I have already shown multiple times that more guns does not equal more gun deaths. In macro and micro instances, we have way more guns then in the 1980s but much less gun murders then at that time. In my neighborhood we have more guns then people but not one gun death, or even injury in the 20+ years I have lived there. The truly connected stat is Democrat run areas and murders. The only more direct link is fatherless homes and criminals in general. 

[boyst]

4 dead in charlotte shooting because gun shot cops serving firearms possession warrant on mostly peaceful man.

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Monday marked a dark day for Charlotte, as four officers died and four more were hurt while they were working “to keep the city safe.”

The chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department confirmed an officer with the department and three members of the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force were killed in a shootout Monday while serving a warrant in east Charlotte.

CMPD Officer Joshua Eyer was critically wounded earlier before he died at the hospital, the chief said. He leaves behind a wife and a 3-year-old son.

 

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I’m sure that at any moment, one of the pro-gun people who believe that guns make us safer will post data showing that the more guns per capita, the fewer homicides.

 

I’ll just hold my breath waiting for their data 

it's been nine hours. hopefully you kept your promise and held your breath.

 

on the flip side, now that you're dead dead and not just brain dead alive you'll be just as likely to vote Democrat at least twice in each election.

12 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Just as an FYI, here are the US counties with the top per capita homicide rate (per 100,000):

1. 59.3 - Phillips County, AR
2. 53.9 - Leflore County, MS
3. 48.9 - Lowndes County, AL
4. 48.5 - St. Louis City, MO
5. 48.2 - Washington County, MS
6. 45.6 - Petersburg City, VA
7. 43.4 - Hinds County, MA
8. 42.5 - Wilcox County, AL
9. 42.5 - Macon County, AL
10. 40.5 - Baltimore City, MD
11. 40.5 - Holmes County, MS
12. 39.4 - Orleans Parish, LA
13. 38.7 - Dallas County, AL
14. 36.7 - Dillon County, SC
15. 36.3 - Jefferson County, AR
16. 32.6 - Sunflower County, MS
17. 29.5 - Adams County, MS
18. 29.0 - Bolivar County, MS
19. 28.9 - Coahoma County, MS
20. 28.0 - Shelby County, TN
21. 26.9 - Mississippi County, AR
22. 25.6 - Montgomery County, AL
23. 25.6 - Crittenden County, AR
24. 25.4 - Philadelphia County, PA
25. 25.3 - Lee County, SC
26. 25.1 - Robeson County, NC
27. 24.9 - St. Francis County, AR
28. 24.9 - Bibb County, GA
29. 24.8 - Yazoo County, MS
30. 24.7 - Caddo Parish, LA
31. 24.3 - Scotland County, NC
32. 24.3 - Jefferson County, AL
33. 24.2 - Colleton County, SC
34. 24.2 - Portsmouth City, VA
35. 24.2 - Morehouse Parish, LA
36. 24.2 - East Baton Rouge Parish, LA
37. 24.1 - Barnwell County, SC
38. 23.8 - Vance County, NC
39. 22.8 - Pike county - MS
40. 22.4 - Jackson County, MO
41. 22.1 Copiah County, MS
42. 21.9 - Orangeburg County, SC
43. 21.5 - Darlington County, SC
44. 21.2 - Anson County, NC
45. 21.1 - Wyandotte County, KS
46. 21.0 - Grenada County, MS
47. 20.8 - Richmond City, VA
48. 20.6 - St. James Parish, LA
49. 20.5 - District of Columbia, DC
50. 20.4 - Fairfield County, SC
51. 20.0 - Uvalde County, TX
52. 19.9 - Marlboro County, SC
53. 19.8 - Muscogee County, GA
54. 19.7 - Lauderdale County, MS
55. 19.5 - Hartford County, NC
56. 18.9 - Mario County, IN
57. 18.7 - Edgecombe County, NC
58. 18.5 - Danville City, VA
59. 18.1 - Leake County, MS
60. 17.9 - Russell County, AL
61. 17.6 - Hopewell City, VA - 17.6
62. 17.5 - Natchitoches Parish, LA
63. 17.5 - Halifax County, NC
64. 17.4 - Pulaski County, AR
65. 17.3 - St. Clair County, IL
66. 17.3 - Columbus County, NC
67. 17.2 - Williamsburg County, SC
68. 17.0 - Wayne County, MI
69. 17.0 - Florence County, SC
70. 17.0 - Clayton County, GA
71. 16.9 - Talladega County, AL
72. 16.9 - Jefferson County, KY
73. 16.9 - Lincoln County, MS
74. 16.9 - Milwaukee County, WI
75. 16.8 - Marion County, SC
76. 16.7 - Marshall County, MS
77. 16.7 - Union County, AR
78. 16.6 - St. John the Baptist Parish, LA
79. 16.6 - Warren County, MS
80. 16.1 - Dougherty County, GA
81. 16.1 - Iberia Parish, LA
82. 16.1 - Gadsden County, FL
83. 16.0 - Iberville Parish, LA
84. 15.5 - St. Louis County, MO
85. 15.5 - Lake County, IN
86. 15.4 - Hoke County, NC
87. 15.4 - Norfolk City, VA
88. 15.3 - Washington Parish, LA
89. 14.9 - DeKalb County, GA
90. 14.9 - Mobile County, AL
91. 14.9 - Laurens County, GA
92. 14.9 - Chaves County, NM
93. 14.7 - Cook County, IL
94. 14.6 - St. Landry Parish, LA
95. 14.3 - Okmulgee County, OK
96. 14.2 - Cuyahoga County, OH
97. 14.0 - Richmond County, GA
98. 13.7 - McCurtain County, OK
99. 13.7 - Panola County, MS
100. 13.7 - Chester County, SC
101. 13.7 - Hampton City, VA
102. 13.7 - Rapides Parish, LA

go look up the demographics of income, religion, and more of each of those for starters.  

 

oh, and of course, voting history.

[LeviF]

Who's shooting the guns in those counties?

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

 

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately 2023 data is not even close to accurate since many of the largest departments have not (yet?) reported their numbers to the FBI.

 

The 2022 data just came out in October and even that wasn't *complete*.

Edited yesterday at 01:26 PM by LeviF

[Tommy Callahan]

 lack of details or reporting on this by the msm. Why..

 

[KDIGGZ]

35 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Who's shooting the guns in those counties?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 lack of details or reporting on this by the msm. Why..

 

But I thought guns were the problem. In my small town everyone has a gun and we don't even lock our doors. I don't even own a key for my house. It's unlocked right now.

[ChiGoose]

Oh look! More guns means more gun deaths! What a surprise!

 

Seems impossible though, since I've been reassured that there will be a good guy with a gun who will stop the bad guy with a gun...

 

Gun Ownership and Firearm-related Deaths

 

"There was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths (r ¼ 0.80; P <.0001) (Figure, A), with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other."

 

"We then sought to evaluate whether possessing guns would make a nation safer, as has been a widespread contention. We used the crime rate per 100,000 population as an indicator of safety of the nation. There was no significant correlation (r ¼ 0.33) between guns per capita per country and crime rate (P ¼ .10), arguing against the notion of more guns translating into less crime (Figure, B)."

 

"The present data suggest that the number of guns per capita per country correlated strongly and was an independent predictor of firearm-related deaths. Additionally, in a linear regression model there was a correlation with mental illness, but this was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Although correlation is not synonymous with causation, it seems conceivable that abundant gun availability facilitates firearm-related deaths. Conversely, high crime rates may instigate widespread anxiety and fear, thereby motivating people to arm themselves and give rise to increased gun ownership, which, in turn, increases availability. The resulting vicious cycle could, bit-by-bit, lead to the polarized status that is now the case with the US. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis purporting to show that countries with the higher gun ownership are safer than those with low gun ownership."

 

[KDIGGZ]

The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents!

 

Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks.

[ChiGoose]

9 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents!

 

Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks.

 

I'm glad you agree that the "good guy with a gun" defense for the pro-gun crowd is a dumb myth not supported by facts or reality.

[Tommy Callahan]

19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents!

 

Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks.

its flawed data provided by a DEM PAC with 10K doctors counted as members. there are over a million doctors in the USA

 

Same site was 100% supportive of mandates, vaccines, school closures.  

 

its got the integrity of the OP that posted it.

 

 

[ChiGoose]

What's that? People need more data about gun ownership and gun deaths? No problem! There's plenty of it because the connection is both true and obvious!

 

From Johns Hopkins:

 

"Overwhelming evidence shows that firearm ownership and access is associated with increased suicide, homicide, unintentional firearm deaths, and injuries."

 

"It has been well-documented that firearm ownership rates are associated with increased firearm-related death rates. Among high-income countries, the United States is an outlier in terms of firearm violence. The U.S. has the highest firearm ownership and highest firearm death rates of 27 high-income countries."

 

"The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 25 times higher than other high-income countries and the firearm suicide rate is nearly 10 times that of other high-income countries."

 

"In general, the states with the highest gun death rates tend to be states in the South or Mountain West, with weaker gun laws and higher levels of gun ownership, while gun death rates are lower in the Northeast, where gun violence prevention laws are stronger."

 

"Over four decades of public health research consistently finds that firearm ownership increases the risk of firearm homicide, suicide, and unintentional injury. Nevertheless, more than 6 in 10 Americans believe that a firearm in the home makes the family safer—a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.13 This increase in perceived safety is reflected in shifting reasons for firearm ownership. In a 2023 Pew Research survey, more than two-thirds (71%) of firearm owners cited protection as a major reason for ownership.14 This represents a notable increase from the mid-1990s, when the majority of American firearm owners cited recreation as their primary reason for ownership and fewer than half owned firearms primarily for protection."

 

"Research runs counter to these changing public perceptions of firearms providing safety.  It shows that firearm ownership puts individuals and their families at higher risk of injury and death. Individuals who choose to own a firearm can mitigate many of the risks associated with ownership by always storing their firearms unloaded and locked in a secure place, and refraining from carrying their firearms in public places. "

 

"Firearm owners can make their homes safer through secure firearm storage practices. Unfortunately, the majority of U.S. firearm owners choose to leave their firearms unlocked, allowing children or persons, who are at risk for violence to self or others, to access them. An estimated 4.6 million children live in households with at least one firearm that is loaded and unlocked. These unsafe storage practices lead to countless suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries by individuals who should not have access to a firearm. This includes children, prohibited persons with a history of violence, and family members who may be suicidal or temporarily in crisis."

 

"Leaving firearms unsecured also fuels theft—a primary avenue in which firearms are diverted into the illegal market and used in crime. There are an estimated 250,000 firearm theft incidents each year resulting in about 380,000 firearms stolen annually. In recent years, as more Americans carry firearms in public, theft from cars has skyrocketed. Firearms stolen from cars now make up the majority of thefts. In fact, one analysis of crime data reported to the FBI found that on average, at least one firearm is reported stolen from a car every 15 minutes."

 

"Carrying firearms in public also increases the risk for violence by escalating minor arguments and increasing the chances that a confrontation will become lethal. Research has found that even the mere presence of a firearm increases aggressive thoughts and actions."

 

"Some believe that carrying a firearm will act as a deterrent and help prevent conflicts or minimize harm. While there are specific examples where this was true, there are many more cases where firearm carrying escalates conflict and leads to firearm injury or death. In aggregate, research shows firearm carrying increases levels of violent crime."

 

"It’s important for individuals to know the risks of firearm ownership, and the reality that higher levels of firearm ownership and carrying do not reduce violence or enhance public safety."

[B-Man]

 

 

 

MSM Drawn to Stories About Women Learning to Shoot Safely

 April 30, 2024

   

At the Strong Arms Gun Club in Virginia recently, WTKR news was on hand as approximately 20 women gathered to learn firearm handling and safety from Joel Jones, a local firearms instructor. Amidst rising concerns about public safety, these women, ranging in profession from real estate agents to mothers, are part of a growing demographic turning to firearms for protection.

 

Even as mainstream media tries to play to the negatives of shooting, when it comes to female empowerment and safety, it’s hard to put a negative spin on learning how to safely shoot a gun. And to the paper’s credit, they looked at the movement from a positive view.

 

“Especially with things going on like shootings in stores. You can be grocery shopping and anything can happen, so I just want to be safe and protect my children as well,” explained Raleesha Hinton, a Virginia Beach resident.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/even-mainstream-media-cant-argue-women-learning-to-safely-shoot-is-a-good-story/

 

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[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

MSM Drawn to Stories About Women Learning to Shoot Safely

 April 30, 2024

   

At the Strong Arms Gun Club in Virginia recently, WTKR news was on hand as approximately 20 women gathered to learn firearm handling and safety from Joel Jones, a local firearms instructor. Amidst rising concerns about public safety, these women, ranging in profession from real estate agents to mothers, are part of a growing demographic turning to firearms for protection.

 

Even as mainstream media tries to play to the negatives of shooting, when it comes to female empowerment and safety, it’s hard to put a negative spin on learning how to safely shoot a gun. And to the paper’s credit, they looked at the movement from a positive view.

 

“Especially with things going on like shootings in stores. You can be grocery shopping and anything can happen, so I just want to be safe and protect my children as well,” explained Raleesha Hinton, a Virginia Beach resident.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/even-mainstream-media-cant-argue-women-learning-to-safely-shoot-is-a-good-story/

 

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All single women should own and know how to use a firearm. Especially single moms. How else are you going to protect your kids? Call 9-1-1 and wait 2 hrs? You would really be doing your family a disservice 

[LeviF]

The white, non-hispanic firearm homicide death rate in the US is on par with European countries with far fewer guns.