Braedenstearns Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The guy is totally a Fred replacement!! why all the talk about CJ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Spiller, not Hackett, was responsible for his regression. Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. You sure the OL esp LG had nothing to do with it? It was noted with detailed analysis on several sites that the OL was not opening holes last year as previous year. There were several good game analyses on Buffalo Rumblings. What's your basis or reasoning for figuring Spiller is responsible for his own regression? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Insane thought! When Marrone and Hackett got here they were gonna feed Spiller til he threw up, now he's not their type? There was a reason the Bills drafted those road graders later and it wasn't just to help protect EJ. With the type of holes these guys will open, CJ will have a career year. Hopefully the Bills work out a contract with him. This offense has a chance to be dynamic! Yeah they did say that but did it actually happen? What they say and what they do are not always the same thing. Don't give me the injury excuse either Did you watch the games? Wasn't their style more pound it up the middle? Is that Spillers game? Insane thought? It's called common sense For the record I don't want to see Spiller traded but again I think it was obvious early on last season that Spiller isn't the type of back Marrone prefers Edited May 14, 2014 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 kid had a bad ankle sprain and could not cut off it for 2/3 of the season but gutted it out. And we had turn style brown and bronco logout sky at rg and a rt that sucked. Sorry but line, injury and some on new coordinator and new coach, I expect change to dominate this year! Exactly. CJ regressed because he couldn't cut or sprint or do what he was doing in 2012 because he has a high ankle sprain most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Why? A new OC won't give Spiller the vision he's NEVER had. Exactly. Spiller just is not that good of a running back. He has killer speed but does not read the play or the blocks well. Two coaching staffs have chosen an UDFA RB from nowhere college to be the guy to get the carries when it matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I really like CJ, but I guess he isn't fitting their plans. Ideal for Marrone seems to be a big strong durable RB that can take a lickin' and keep on tickin' too bad we dont have a marshawn lynch type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Hyde has some nice moves and power, but that 4.66/40 scares me. IMO speed (lack thereof) is the biggest reason college success doesn't always translate to pros. My expectations for Bryce Brown are just as high, if not higher The guy looks like a virtual clone of frank gore. Rb top end speed doesn't have to equate to a 4.3 40, it's their 10 and 20 that matter. The initial burst, which Hyde has. Edited May 14, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Brown is likely a better back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The guy looks like a virtual clone of frank gore. Rb top end speed doesn't have to equate to a 4.3 40, it's their 10 and 20 that matter. The initial burst, which Hyde has. Hyde is bigger and slower than gore. I see him more as a lendale white ... Nice college career, nothing special as a pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hyde is bigger and slower than gore. I see him more as a lendale white ... Nice college career, nothing special as a pro He was the highest rated and the third taken. That usually says something. If it's just one team they could well have just been infatuated with one player. When two guys go before him it's more like he wasn't as highly rated as some. It looks like the Bills wanted to trade up to get him, but it wasn't with their 2nd round pick, they took Kujo, and they obviously didnt offer a ton, because everyone turned them down. It was likely a 3rd and a 5th and no one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You sure the OL esp LG had nothing to do with it? It was noted with detailed analysis on several sites that the OL was not opening holes last year as previous year. There were several good game analyses on Buffalo Rumblings. What's your basis or reasoning for figuring Spiller is responsible for his own regression? Just curious. I'll concede that the OL failed to open gaping holes, but I maintain the fact he missed the ones that WERE there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 This freaking Whaley was going for the knock out! I love it! haha not sure why but this post made me laugh so hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Why does this remind me of this: Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock. Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his death. But I think I've not lost a son, so much as... gained a daughter! For, since the tragic death of her father-- He's not quite dead! Since the near fatal wounding of her father-- He's getting better! For, since her own father... who, when he seemed about to recover, suddenly felt the icy hand of death upon him,... Oh, he's died! And I want his only daughter to look upon me... as her own dad -- in a very real, and legally binding sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Exactly. CJ regressed because he couldn't cut or sprint or do what he was doing in 2012 because he has a high ankle sprain most of the year. I don't see it this way at all. If his ankle was the problem, why cut to the outside instead of running more straight ahead where the hole was? CJ regressed because the Bills didn't play in a 4-5 wide, spread the D out and get lots of D backs on the field, type offense. His vision isn't great and when he has to make quick choices in traffic he panics and just pops it to the outside because he's learned most of his life that he can outrun guys to the corner. That doesn't happen often in the NFL, particularly when the D has the scouting report on you and defensive ends become very disciplined with their edge contain (an edge contain the CJ STILL tries to run around.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 CJ is great - he'll be better this year now that he's healthier & we have a better O-line. I would have loved to have Hyde on our team. Glad the Bills tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 His ankle didn't cause him to frequently (and mostly fail to) bounce it wide when the hole was up the gut. when you run the same play over and over again to the same hole the defense is usually waiting in that hole. You could pull a blind man off the street and he could stop hacks running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 when you run the same play over and over again to the same hole the defense is usually waiting in that hole. You could pull a blind man off the street and he could stop hacks running game. Looks like I'll be spending the next four months grinding this false theory to a nub: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/167791-report-bills-attempted-to-trade-up-for-carlos-hyde/page__st__20#entry3133693 ...again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'll concede that the OL failed to open gaping holes, but I maintain the fact he missed the ones that WERE there. This is all true. Play calling had him run inside more often, iirc. OL wasn't opening up holes at times. CJ wasn't seeing, trusting, or waiting for holes and tried to bounce things outside. CJ was also injured for much of the year. Lots of things working against him, still had respectable numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This is all true. Play calling had him run inside more often, iirc. OL wasn't opening up holes at times. CJ wasn't seeing, trusting, or waiting for holes and tried to bounce things outside. CJ was also injured for much of the year. Lots of things working against him, still had respectable numbers. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO Seriously, go back and read the all-22's Again, I'm happy to concede the ankle/OL did him no favors. Fine. But--just as he did ALL through 2010 and through the first 3/4 of 2011, CJ missed holes up the middle and got gobbled up trying to bounce wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This deeply upsets me. why are you upset by something that didn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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