Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 What....no Dale Carnegie? No Tony Robbins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I don't remember Jim Kelly seeking out anyone asking them how to lead. Or marino, or Elway, Montana and on and on and on. This kid is starting to worry me even more.He is seeking Russel Wilson? Who did Wilson seek? See I have felt leaders are born, they are just natural at it. This kid seems to me is trying to manufacture the 'IT' factor. Most great QB's have an edge, cocky etc. EJ seems to passive and too nice. If he tries to fake what he doesn't have then his team mates will know. I would just tell the kid quit talking to other people and be you. Stay on the field, and WIN. If you can WIN it will take care of most of the rest. You never fail find something negative out of something positive... I definitely remember reading articles on how Wilson asked other QBs for advice, if you search you'll see where he reached to Bradshaw for Super Bowl advice - clearly a sign of incompetence. How a young player / employee / student even asking advice of others can be seen as a bad thing is beyond me! And yes, all leaders are born, there's no point in education (as seen in the business world with the 12 billion leadership and management seminars available), or even giving people time to grow into a leadership role. If you haven't won the Super Bowl by age 8 you probably don't have it and never will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'd be a lot more concerned if he were sitting on his butt all through the offseason. This may or may not help him, but I'm not going to criticize a guy for making an effort to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'd be a lot more concerned if he were sitting on his butt all through the offseason. This may or may not help him, but I'm not going to criticize a guy for making an effort to improve. Reasoned balance...on this board...HAS NO PLACE!!! OFFFFFFF with your head!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 You never fail find something negative out of something positive... I definitely remember reading articles on how Wilson asked other QBs for advice, if you search you'll see where he reached to Bradshaw for Super Bowl advice - clearly a sign of incompetence. How a young player / employee / student even asking advice of others can be seen as a bad thing is beyond me! And yes, all leaders are born, there's no point in education (as seen in the business world with the 12 billion leadership and management seminars available), or even giving people time to grow into a leadership role. If you haven't won the Super Bowl by age 8 you probably don't have it and never will... Good post. Through my work and general life experience, I'm a much better leader than I was 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 To me, charisma is natural and bestowed at birth but leadership - to some extent - can be learned and it certainly can be refined. There are a great many books and seminars devoted to this very thing and some of the best leaders, take time to invest in their own development. Now, on field leadership occurs in winning and to that point I agree with the opinions posted so far, but to say that leadership can't be refined, honed, or enhanced based on an objective input and evaluation while providing some critical insight, in my mind is inaccurate. But, to each his own...and if I remember correctly, one of the things both Doug Whaley and his staff agreed with Mike Mayock on before last year's Draft when all the discussions were circling, was that EJ had a "presence" about him when he walked in a room. To me, that is natural, but some of the aspects of good leadership can be learned or developed. This is on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 If you gotta ask.... you ain't go IT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Just because you are born with leadership skills doesn't mean you can't seek mentors and to improve. I am impressed with everything EJ has done to try to be the franchise QB of the Bills. No one knows whether it will translate to a playoff berth but I can't see how it could hurt, Questioning whether Manning and Wilson did this doesn't make sense to me. Manning was oft-criticized in his early years for not taking accountability. They are all human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 People that say the Kelly's, Marinos, and Montana's of the world didn't ask how to be a leader are fools. I'm sure they all seeked some sort of help while starting out. And for every Kelly, Marino and Montana there's an Eli, Payton, Marsha, Big Ben that did seek help. It seems like more and more now, players are seeking help from the veterans of the league. Payton always talks about how he helped you get QBs with certain things. And if the Marinos, Kelly's, and Montana's of the world didn't seek help, maybe it's because back then, you weren't expected to start right away and perform well enough for a playoff run within your first 2 years or hit the road. Montana took some time Kelly got a few years experience in the USFL first (similar to baseball or hockey's minor league systems) Marino and Elway were arguably the best ever. And to talk of 4 HOF QBs that all had to battle one another all the time didn't hurt them at the time. One can argue that the best age ever in QBing was in the late 80s to early 90s. That type of competition alone didn't hurt them. In the end, I can't imagine any QB asking for hints and tips in every corner of his game can be a bad thing. Freaking NFL screwing up the draft is pissing me off. You should never have had to post this. Anyone, no matter the profession, who refuses to seek counsel from those who came before is foolish. Seeking guidance is essential to self improvement. Come on, people. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I don't know what will happen on the field this year, but I'm impressed so far with what has transpired off of it this offseason.But, hopefully it translates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Either you have it. Or you don`t. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Either you have it. Or you don`t. Nuff said. What does this even mean? You're either a great QB right away or you're not? Or did you not read the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 How to lead little bandit,How to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 How to lead little bandit,How to lead. So, I should stop trying to better myself? When did you stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Was waiting for that. What took so long. I`m doing fine. I`m not making millions, to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 How to lead little bandit,How to lead. Strongly disagree...pick up a John Maxwell book and so too will you disagree with that statement. Athletes are born; leaders are developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Was waiting for that. What took so long. I`m doing fine. I`m not making millions, to have it. and you didn't answer the questions I'll ask another two...should a young person walk into the adult world with full knowledge of how the industry he is joining works? Should that young person seek out experienced individuals to help him understand what can make him the best at his chosen craft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Im good as it gets at this age. You keep trying. If you think you need to.Answered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Im good as it gets at this age. You keep trying. If you think you need to.Answered! How very narrow of you. When did you achieve perfection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 People that say the Kelly's, Marinos, and Montana's of the world didn't ask how to be a leader are fools. I'm sure they all seeked some sort of help while starting out. And for every Kelly, Marino and Montana there's an Eli, Payton, Marsha, Big Ben that did seek help. It seems like more and more now, players are seeking help from the veterans of the league. Payton always talks about how he helped you get QBs with certain things. And if the Marinos, Kelly's, and Montana's of the world didn't seek help, maybe it's because back then, you weren't expected to start right away and perform well enough for a playoff run within your first 2 years or hit the road. Montana took some time Kelly got a few years experience in the USFL first (similar to baseball or hockey's minor league systems) Marino and Elway were arguably the best ever. And to talk of 4 HOF QBs that all had to battle one another all the time didn't hurt them at the time. One can argue that the best age ever in QBing was in the late 80s to early 90s. That type of competition alone didn't hurt them. In the end, I can't imagine any QB asking for hints and tips in every corner of his game can be a bad thing. Freaking NFL screwing up the draft is pissing me off. But Mrags Kelly, Marino, Elway etal are exactly what we need EJ to be. With out that type of performance we can't get to let alone win a superbowl. Caepernick has it naturally and look where he has gotten SF, wilson too. Our guy is calling those young guys? No offense but that scares the hell out of me. The #1 thing that bothers me about EJ was some article that came out last year where Marrone had to try and get him fired up. Something like he is too laid back. I am seriously wondering if we don't have a Todd Marinovich where he wanted to make it to the NFL Then when he did... I like EJ, I liked the pick mostly, but this kid has yet to show me he can 1) Get pumped up about anything and get passionate, 2) stay healthy, 3) read defenses. #1 knock coming out was slow to read defenses and honestly guys we saw that all last year other than a couple big plays. I do want to say this, Some fans say 'yeah but Capernick, Wilson, Rothlesberger etal are rare'. Well yeah, so was Jim Kelly but we had JK and that is the #1 Reason this team turned it around. We NEED a top end talent like those guys mentioned. I hope its EJ but I see a new owner telling Whaley to take a new QB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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