/dev/null Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Did Tommen just fire his old man? That's low, even for a Lannister Gilley Table setter episode, but I'm sure we will feast later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I liked it. How does Arya get out of her situation? Or does she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode. (Airing in a couple hours, down here.) This season has been really fun to watch so far. A LOT of stuff happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Also, Benjen/Coldhands saves Bran and Meera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Bran's vision streams appear to be memories of events that he witnessed. Falling from the tower, Hodor, etc. We also, however, see flashes of Ned's death and Aerys going mad. I'm thinking that their occurrence in his vision streams means that those are memories of events that haven't happened in the past yet--if that makes sense. In other words: he will eventually time hop back and push Aerys over the edge, and he'll eventually time hop to witness his father's death--maybe to whisper to Ned to tell Yoren to protect Arya (for example). I'll also buy into the idea that Bran "is the Lord of Light". Not that he's a god or anything, but rather that magic does exist in the world, and his whispering across time exploits the use of said magic. I mean, it seems like the show runners nearly plastered us with the suggestion that Bran's was the voice that Varys heard when he suffered his most unfortunate maiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Bran's vision streams appear to be memories of events that he witnessed. Falling from the tower, Hodor, etc. We also, however, see flashes of Ned's death and Aerys going mad. I'm thinking that their occurrence in his vision streams means that those are memories of events that haven't happened in the past yet--if that makes sense. In other words: he will eventually time hop back and push Aerys over the edge, and he'll eventually time hop to witness his father's death--maybe to whisper to Ned to tell Yoren to protect Arya (for example). I'll also buy into the idea that Bran "is the Lord of Light". Not that he's a god or anything, but rather that magic does exist in the world, and his whispering across time exploits the use of said magic. I mean, it seems like the show runners nearly plastered us with the suggestion that Bran's was the voice that Varys heard when he suffered his most unfortunate maiming. I don't think they'll show us everything that Bran alters. Just some of it. And they'll leave the rest up to speculation. The problem I'm having with the time hop is that there's no weir trees. Edited May 30, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I don't think they'll show us everything that Bran alters. Just some of it. And they'll leave the rest up to speculation. The problem I'm having with the time hop is that there's no weir trees. Sure, but I'd call the Aerys thing a big enough deal that they show it. As to the weirwoods, it's a clear departure from the books in that regard. Or perhaps Bran eventually develops the ability to do it sans tree in Martin's story, and the show just skipped ahead to that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Sure, but I'd call the Aerys thing a big enough deal that they show it. As to the weirwoods, it's a clear departure from the books in that regard. Or perhaps Bran eventually develops the ability to do it sans tree in Martin's story, and the show just skipped ahead to that part. Very possible. He's absolutely driving Aerys mad though. It was very good speculation before, but now it's obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I liked it. How does Arya get out of her situation? Or does she? Easily. The Many-Faced God demands a face. But the Many-Faced God doesn't specify which face. And the Faceless Twit is coming to take Arya's face. So Arya goes to a dark corner with Needle and a candle. And blows out the candle. And waits in the dark for the Faceless Twit. Who taught Arya how to fight blindfolded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Bran's vision streams appear to be memories of events that he witnessed. Falling from the tower, Hodor, etc. We also, however, see flashes of Ned's death and Aerys going mad. I'm thinking that their occurrence in his vision streams means that those are memories of events that haven't happened in the past yet--if that makes sense. In other words: he will eventually time hop back and push Aerys over the edge, and he'll eventually time hop to witness his father's death--maybe to whisper to Ned to tell Yoren to protect Arya (for example). I'll also buy into the idea that Bran "is the Lord of Light". Not that he's a god or anything, but rather that magic does exist in the world, and his whispering across time exploits the use of said magic. I mean, it seems like the show runners nearly plastered us with the suggestion that Bran's was the voice that Varys heard when he suffered his most unfortunate maiming. i think his visions are simply "learning" about the past so he can be prepared when fire is necessary to deal with ice. For example, he needs to know about wildfire; about jon's lineage; that, despite what Jamie did to him, He killed the mad king to save people; etc. someone has to have the knowledge In order to rally the 7 kingdoms. Does he do it as the lord of the light? Maybe. If so, I think he does so through showing the past and future to certain people. Though we've seen him do it, creating history has too many consequences. Why not go back and save his mother, father and brother? In addition, why was that one character brought back from death 4 times? On the other hand, maybe they'll do a George Bailey episode, where he attempts to do so but it !@#$s up things so much he realizes he better not screw with history, rather he needs to lead the present to the future.... It just hit me after posting, maybe the realization what he did to Hodor was the George Bailey moment? Edited May 31, 2016 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I liked it. How does Arya get out of her situation? Or does she? Easily. The Many-Faced God demands a face. But the Many-Faced God doesn't specify which face. And the Faceless Twit is coming to take Arya's face. So Arya goes to a dark corner with Needle and a candle. And blows out the candle. And waits in the dark for the Faceless Twit. Who taught Arya how to fight blindfolded. After further thought, I can think of three options for Arya to live. I don't think killing the waif saves her. In fact, it would underscore that she owes the many-faced god another life (hers). If she kills the waif, she will be killed in return, perhaps in the season 7 finale.... 1) Arya passed her test. The house of black and white really is more of a sacred community service than a group of assassins for hire. Perhaps understanding and living this distinction was her final test. In this case, if the waif did indeed want to kill Arya, her trying means the waif failed her training. In this case, Jaqen H'ghar appears and kills the waif, or stops her and releases her. What I don't like about this theory is Jaqen and the waif appear to have shifted and replaced each other at times, meaning the waif is not really in training as she appears, but another face of Jaqen. 2) Arya goes and talks to Lady Crane, only to discover she was the one who wanted herself killed for good reason. Arya kills her before the waif arrives. I will say Jaqen and the waif do NOT say directly the waif will kill Arya, just "her" which could be Lady Crane. 3) The waif goes to kill Lady Crane, who is now on guard. Arya saves the waif, and is owed a life by the many-faced god (hers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Very possible. He's absolutely driving Aerys mad though. It was very good speculation before, but now it's obvious. I really hope it's that Bran simply nudges Aerys over the edge, and not that he's the driving force behind his madness, as that would really dilute the emphasis on the Targ propensity for madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I really hope it's that Bran simply nudges Aerys over the edge, and not that he's the driving force behind his madness, as that would really dilute the emphasis on the Targ propensity for madness I think it's going to be the former. Then again, Dany appears to be fireproof now for no reason, so who knows if the showrunners really know the Targs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I think it's going to be the former. Then again, Dany appears to be fireproof now for no reason, so who knows if the showrunners really know the Targs. Right? That really makes me angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Right? That really makes me angry Not to make this a show-bashing thread, but I've noted the quality of the dialogue has steeply declined and some other nitpickings in season 5 and 6. I don't think D&D are doing so well without GRRM's written direction. If not for the plot points coming fast and furious, this season would be getting a much worse reception IMO. I reckon we won't see a scene with the quality of the "Kingslayer" speech or its like again in the show. Unless it's Manderly's taken from ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I thought Dany was the "mother of dragons" which made her immune to fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I thought Dany was the "mother of dragons" which made her immune to fire Perhaps that's what the show runners are going with, but it's not the case for the books: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/449541.page?userfilterid=33891 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 After further thought, I can think of three options for Arya to live. I don't think killing the waif saves her. In fact, it would underscore that she owes the many-faced god another life (hers). If she kills the waif, she will be killed in return, perhaps in the season 7 finale.... 1) Arya passed her test. The house of black and white really is more of a sacred community service than a group of assassins for hire. Perhaps understanding and living this distinction was her final test. In this case, if the waif did indeed want to kill Arya, her trying means the waif failed her training. In this case, Jaqen H'ghar appears and kills the waif, or stops her and releases her. What I don't like about this theory is Jaqen and the waif appear to have shifted and replaced each other at times, meaning the waif is not really in training as she appears, but another face of Jaqen. 2) Arya goes and talks to Lady Crane, only to discover she was the one who wanted herself killed for good reason. Arya kills her before the waif arrives. I will say Jaqen and the waif do NOT say directly the waif will kill Arya, just "her" which could be Lady Crane. 3) The waif goes to kill Lady Crane, who is now on guard. Arya saves the waif, and is owed a life by the many-faced god (hers). If Arya Stark dies, I'm out. Last reason I'm watching that show lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 If Arya Stark dies, I'm out. Last reason I'm watching that show lol Arya Stark is not dying. She gets her sword, goes to a dark corner, blows out the candle, and waits. You really think that's how they're going to set up her death? She's just giving up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Easily. The Many-Faced God demands a face. But the Many-Faced God doesn't specify which face. And the Faceless Twit is coming to take Arya's face. So Arya goes to a dark corner with Needle and a candle. And blows out the candle. And waits in the dark for the Faceless Twit. Who taught Arya how to fight blindfolded. Nicely done. I now consider this an official spoiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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