Kevin Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) If you didn't read the books then you may not want to look here. Spoilers will be most likely shared... Mods, will this be allowed? Edited April 14, 2014 by Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 This is much appreciated. Mods, please understand. Now, readers, do what thou wilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 I wonder how much the storyline is going to change now? Will they introduce the pig, dog, and the girl "imp" later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) I wonder how much the storyline is going to change now? Will they introduce the pig, dog, and the girl "imp" later? I hinted at that myself in the other thread trying not to give anything away. correct me if I'm wrong, The Red Wedding.. Rob's wife was in Riverrun because she was pregnant Shae... was not sent off as she was with Tywin after the prison break. - In the books Tyrion tried to marry her off to keep her in Kings Landing the pigs in question The dwarf wedding performance in the show consisted of a reenactment of the War of Five Kings In the books two dwarfs riding a pig and dog joust to the hilarity of almost all the wedding guests. Edited April 15, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) @ BillsFan you are correct. But Joffrey made Tyrion ride the pig. I was thinking about it last night and it sounds like Tyrion might flee to Pentos with Shae now instead if the dwarf girl. That should be an interesting shift in the storyline now because of what happens with Tywin and Shae in the books. That whole scenario should happen within the next two episodes too... Edited April 15, 2014 by Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 @ BillsFan you are correct. But Joffrey made Tyrion ride the pig. I was thinking about it last night and it sounds like Tyrion might flee to Pentos with Shae now instead if the dwarf girl. That should be an interesting shift in the storyline now because of what happens with Tywin and Shae in the books. That whole scenario should happen within the next two episodes too... I don't generally watch the show until the seasons come out, so I'm not entirely sure what the differences are yet, but I hope that doesn't happen. I think Tyrion's reaction to Shae was an important part of his psyche during his escape and trip. With Shae there, it just doesn't really make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) honestly I'd prefer the dwarf girl scenario than that of a Shae - Tyrion twist. another twist to happen. what of little finger and Sansa? Maybe Shae ends up with Sansa? Edited April 15, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 honestly I'd prefer the dwarf girl scenario than that of a Shae - Tyrion twist. another twist to happen. what of little finger and Sansa? Maybe Shae ends up with Sansa? What of Littlefinger and Sansa? In the books, Sansa ultimately meets up with Littlefinger after the fool takes her from the wedding celebration (on the ship, as I recall). So far, there's no inconsistency there - the plot point simply hasn't been reached yet, whether they go that direction or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 What of Littlefinger and Sansa? In the books, Sansa ultimately meets up with Littlefinger after the fool takes her from the wedding celebration (on the ship, as I recall). So far, there's no inconsistency there - the plot point simply hasn't been reached yet, whether they go that direction or not. Yeah, Littlefinger went off to marry Sansa's aunt in the Vale right? I don't recall them mentioning that in the show. Also, back to BillsFan-4-ever's post about Robs wife. IIRC, she, and the Uncle and his Frey wife were being escorted back to Casterly Rock as prisoners, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Yeah, Littlefinger went off to marry Sansa's aunt in the Vale right? I don't recall them mentioning that in the show. Also, back to BillsFan-4-ever's post about Robs wife. IIRC, she, and the Uncle and his Frey wife were being escorted back to Casterly Rock as prisoners, right? THE UNCLE ESCAPED oops to where I don't remember. the wife and baby remained in Riverrun as far as I recall. the littlefinger comes in to "save" Sansa after the drunk knight gets offed rescuing her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Littlefinger is supposed to be off at the Vale wooing Catelyn's sister. But we know he's not really there, at least at the time of the wedding, since he's on a boat at King's Landing waiting for the fool to bring Sansa to him. There is nothing in the TV series that seems inconsistent with this. He'll probably show up in the next episode. The one interesting thing about Shae in the TV series is that, at the pre-wedding lunch, Tywin tells Cersei to "have her brought to the Tower of the Hand before the wedding". That makes me think he will somehow interfere with her leaving King's Landing, and bring the storyline back to where it should be in the books. If Tyrion thinks she's gone from King's Landing, and then sees her in Tywin's quarters during the prison escape, that would make for a powerful scene. Another interesting change from the books -- Sansa is given a necklace by the fool instead of a hair net, but it seems it still played a role in Joffrey's death. In the scene in the TV show where Lady Olenna walks up to Sansa at the wedding feast, they show her fondle Sansa's necklace, removing one of the jewels. You can see the necklace with the missing jewel multiple times after that. But they don't show how it gets into Joffrey's cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) - having Shae brought to the Tower of the Hand That betrayal may be what drives Tyrion to kill Tywin and Shae. Also the fool meets Sansa a few times in the garden. wasn't it but once in the TV show? or am I not remembering those meetings? I had forgotten about the jewel, only that olenna did the deed. Edited April 18, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 - having Shae brought to the Tower of the Hand That betrayal may be what drives Tyrion to kill Tywin and Shae. Yeah, I think that's probably the only way in the TV show they could justify that kind of response. But it would work! Also the fool meets Sansa a few times in the garden. wasn't it but once in the TV show? or am I not remembering those meetings? Yeah, I think they did it that way in the TV show just to speed things along. But in the books, he meets with her many times, probably as a way of earning her trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) - cant load image but its telling http://i.imgur.com/kDmPx2G.png I saw a gif where Tyrion glances at olenna as he takes the kings cup. Edited April 18, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 - cant load image but its telling http://i.imgur.com/kDmPx2G.png I saw a gif where Tyrion glances at olenna as he takes the kings cup. There's also a nice touch during the wedding itself. When the septon is marrying them, he says, "Cursed be he who attempts to tear them asunder." At that moment, the camera is showing this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There's also a nice touch during the wedding itself. When the septon is marrying them, he says, "Cursed be he who attempts to tear them asunder." At that moment, the camera is showing this: Did he say that at Tyrion and Sansa's wedding too? Karma was waiting for the boy king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Did he say that at Tyrion and Sansa's wedding too? Karma was waiting for the boy king Hmm, good question. I'd have to go back and see. Probably not as much foreshadowing there, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Hmm, good question. I'd have to go back and see. Probably not as much foreshadowing there, though. that's true. I've been bugging my wife to read the books so I can say stuff as the show progresses. don't want to spoil anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I saw a gif where Tyrion glances at olenna as he takes the kings cup. Here's a quickie I made. Tyrion definitely gives her a glance right as he's reaching for the cup. She's blinking like crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) Here's a quickie I made. Tyrion definitely gives her a glance right as he's reaching for the cup. She's blinking like crazy. that's what I saw earlier but the quality was so pisspoor I din't post it Edited April 18, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There's also a nice touch during the wedding itself. When the septon is marrying them, he says, "Cursed be he who attempts to tear them asunder." At that moment, the camera is showing this: I wouldn't call that a "nice" touch. For all the subtlety this show usually possesses, that shot was like getting hit with a truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I wouldn't call that a "nice" touch. For all the subtlety this show usually possesses, that shot was like getting hit with a truck. I'm not sure I'd quite go that far, but then again, I'm no Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 another episode where all of us watching said damn the hour's up already. more of building the plot lines Bring on the Mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 I missed the episode. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) not too much Pod talks to Tryion in jail Little Finger picks up Sansa on the ship and offs the fool Littlefinger said the necklace was from him Tommen is told he will be king and get laid when he's married Jamie rapes his twin next to their dead son the king Sam takes Gilli (sp?) to mole's town to "keep her safe" from the black brothers - 1 woman , 100 men the Wildlings attack a village and send a boy survivor to Castle Black as a warning Danny marches to the gates of Meereen gives an anti slave speech the Dog and Arya are on the road to the Eyrie Edited April 21, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So, we get to a part in the series where Jamie is "likable" then he "rapes" Cersei in the Sept and viewers are turned off. giggidy giggidy for the lurkers - spoiler alert .... https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-breaker-chains-episode-181600643.html Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So, we get to a part in the series where Jamie is "likable" then he "rapes" Cersei in the Sept and viewers are turned off. giggidy giggidy for the lurkers - spoiler alert .... https://tv.yahoo.com...-181600643.html Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh." I'm not sure why the show thought they needed to veer so drastically in this.... All that time spent trying to redeem Jaime, which I believe has been what Martin has been working at through the books, is completely ruined by this. Also kind of ruins Cersai a bit by taking her down a peg from her position of power over everyone. I can't really see any good reason to stray from the source material in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure why the show thought they needed to veer so drastically in this.... All that time spent trying to redeem Jaime, which I believe has been what Martin has been working at through the books, is completely ruined by this. Also kind of ruins Cersai a bit by taking her down a peg from her position of power over everyone. I can't really see any good reason to stray from the source material in this. dunno. they have something in mind Maybe with the next death she loses her mind vs her imprisonment although I was anticipating that on the show. IIRC Jamie isn't that much of a big player in the near future man, I have to reread the books. too many variants. the biggest change I didn't like is the unborn "prince". unless Martin never had a future for King Rob's son. The part where Gendry (Baratheon) and Hot Pie leave Arya was different but that didn't bug me as much, Edited April 22, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 dunno. they have something in mind Maybe with the next death she loses her mind vs her imprisonment although I was anticipating that on the show. IIRC Jamie isn't that much of a big player in the near future man, I have to reread the books. too many variants. the biggest change I didn't like is the unborn "prince". unless Martin never had a future for King Rob's son. Was she definitely pregnant? I kind of recall it being hinted at but didn't know if it was actually confirmed at any point. Seems like based on these small changes the show could be a spoiler of sorts for the books assuming they both share the same ultimate ending goal. For instance now we might have a heads up that Rob's wife wasn't supposed to play much of a part, if any, to future story developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) http://gameofthrones...ki/Talisa_Stark I'm trying to find a book reference but the web is all about the TV version Edited April 22, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Was she definitely pregnant? I kind of recall it being hinted at but didn't know if it was actually confirmed at any point. Seems like based on these small changes the show could be a spoiler of sorts for the books assuming they both share the same ultimate ending goal. For instance now we might have a heads up that Rob's wife wasn't supposed to play much of a part, if any, to future story developments. I agree...I don't know if it was ever definitively stated in the books that she was pregnant. But I also think GRRM didn't have much of a plan for her character and thus probably was okay with letting her get killed on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I agree...I don't know if it was ever definitively stated in the books that she was pregnant. But I also think GRRM didn't have much of a plan for her character and thus probably was okay with letting her get killed on the show. That's my thought too and what I am getting at with the show maybe providing spoilers for future book story lines by cluing us in to what may not be of any importance. Could be just they don't have the time to get into it. Kind of like how in season 2 they skipped the entire thing with Stannis surrounding Stormsend and possibly laying siege to it so he could get a hold of one of Robert's bastards. That kid is in play a lot until Davos secretly ships him off. Maybe doesn't serve much more overall purpose than to show Davos has a heart and is one of the good guys but I always thought that kid might come back into play in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/george-rr-martin-red-wedding-hard-to-write-fans-swore-off-books-2014244 As etched in the minds of heartbroken readers and viewers forever, the wedding in question saw the surprise slaughter of two beloved protagonists, Catelyn Stark and her son Robb Stark, King of the North, during an already-tense wedding As Martin, points out, the HBO version, from 2013's season 3, "turned it up by 11" by adding one more victim to the body count: Talisa, Robb's pregnant wife. "The TV Red Wedding is even worse than the book," Martin said, "We get a pregnant woman stabbed repeatedly in the belly." http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jeyne_Westerling I may be thinking that the "enemies" are worried that she is pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Well. So much for reading the books!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 WTF!?!?!?! Another left turn. A new scene not even in the books yet? WOW. As I recall Bran was not captured at Crasters in the books or was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I don't recall Bran coming across Craster at all but I am certain he wasn't captured by him. I didn't watch the episode but I read that the show is straying way off script in a number of ways so I'm not going to assume anything new is a book spoiler for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) They took a huge detour with the defecting black crows at Crasters capturing Bran, and the Whitewalker "king" and the babies is totally new ... the "nicer" Jamie and Oath keeper were close to the books as I recall. Edited April 29, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I don't recall Bran coming across Craster at all but I am certain he wasn't captured by him. I didn't watch the episode but I read that the show is straying way off script in a number of ways so I'm not going to assume anything new is a book spoiler for certain. Pretty interesting, especially since the show up until recently has followed the books so closely. I guess this is the answer though as to how the show is going to continue once they reach the end of the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) Pretty interesting, especially since the show up until recently has followed the books so closely. I guess this is the answer though as to how the show is going to continue once they reach the end of the books. in some areas they follow the books closely, but I've seen a lot of areas where they ventured from the original storyline. reread my posts in this thread, I have listed all of the areas I feel they veered. Edited April 29, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Finally watched the episode last night. Yeah, they're veering way off in the events at and beyond the Wall. I don't remember any direwolves getting caught by anyone north of the wall, and Bran and his group never came across anyone besides Coldhands and the Three-Eyed Crow once they got past the wall (except for some Others, of course). And nothing was described about what happened to the Craster boys other than stories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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