mousetrap08 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 ...Elmira, Corning, HORSEHEADS, Bath, Hornell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 That would be the DUMBEST move ever. The big reason December games don't sell is because no one wants to sit out in the cold. And when was the last time bad weather helped us? I seem to recall the Dolphins beating us pretty easily in the cold. The whole wind-and-cold advantage is BS. The only dumber move would be to waste money on a retractable roof then open it in December. You don't think the crappy weather had anything to do with shutting out the Fins this past season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 The traffic problems getting in and out of Niagara Falls would be insane, I don't think they have the infrastructure to handle that many vehicles. That county is a notoriously unfriendly and unfair place to try a case in if you are being sued by an alleged injured worker. A stadium on the Rochester side of Buffalo positioned relatively close to the thruway would make it much easier for fans from Syracuse and Rochester to come to games and it would separate the game traffic with all the folks from Buffalo coming and going on the west side and the people from Rochester, Syracuse, Geneva, Canandaigua, etc. etc. coming and going on the east side. Our family all had seasons for a long, long time but the trip from Syracuse to Orchard Park and back through all that traffic was just too long of a day for kids, older folks and the handi-abled, especially in bad weather. I am hoping and praying for the stadium in Batavia idea. It would really open up the market to Rochester, make it more feasible for people from syracuse (which is an untapped market from an nfl perspective), and be closer for me because I leave near syracuse! I would get my seasons back in a heartbeat! Same as you it just got to be too long of a day. On the road at 7am home at 8pm with work the next day. Avoiding the cluster of exits 51-55, sending Canadian fans one way and Rochester fans the other (I believe both are around the same number according to Brandon) would ease traffic for a lot of people. Again though the real reason I'm rooting for this is pure selfishness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 It's easy to see the Bills new owner supporting a NF stadium location, and it would not surprise me at all if a pre-vetted front runner is already quietly steering the committee to a NF stadium site recommendation. The site choice is incredibly important to the financial success of the new owner's investment, and there's no way that this committee won't be steered by the owner's wishes. A NF stadium site is the most effective way to put a stake in the heart of Toronto's NFL ambitions. To ensure their long term survival, the Bills MUST do everything possible to obliterate Toronto as a threat to their market over the long haul. A NF stadium is the best possible way to do that, short of moving over the border. WNY needs a new owner more than he needs WNY, so the Committee will make whatever recommendations that the new owner wants them to make. If the NFL signs off on a local owner-NF stadium site package, it signals to me that the NFL recognizes they can't have 2 viable franchises existing 90 miles apart, and have chosen WNY over Toronto once and for all. That would be a monumental statement. Game, set and match. The idea of a shared Bills-Bulls training site in Amherst helps unlock lots of NYS funding. While leveraging NYS' help, this reported stadium-training site arrangement also skirts the NCAA's "no alcohol sales on campus" rules that rule out an on-campus stadium. I think you have great points on this and in all honesty it makes the most economic sense for the new owners to have a stadium in Niagara Falls also. Plus, I would think casting aside the Argos to plunk an NFL franchise down would really alienate football fans in Canada let alone the Buffalo fans. Factor in the lukewarm response to the Bills playing up there and you have to wonder if an NFL franchise would be successful up there. Always makes me laugh how the NFL stares at the size of the market and lets that mandate a franchise. That's never worked for LA and I have to think it won't until you address how to get people to support the franchise. Completely on board with PTR's points about foot or shuttle traffic across the rainbow on game day. Any tailgating Canadians can cross at Lewiston but the rest can park in NF, Canada and more quickly come across. Alleviating as much border-crossing pain as possible is critical. If done correctly, having a stadium in close proximity to the border would be of huge benefit. Regarding the local politics, I think the casinos, hotels and restaurants/entertainment would really support this and pressure local leaders to do so and I would think even the most despicable politicians would play nice for an opportunity of this magnitude. I just see all the businesses on both sides recognizing the opportunity to offer packages and sell game days into all inclusive weekend deals during a traditionally slower time of the year. Having the stadium functional as a conference center and other events would seem critical also. When I consider that NYS may step in to help or manage the financial situation, the franchise needs to keep and grow as much of its fanbase as possible, and the new owner needs to have the team in the best US regional economic situation, Niagara Falls seems like a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 You don't think the crappy weather had anything to do with shutting out the Fins this past season? Dec 22, 2013: 41 and cloudy. Bills win 19-0 http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013122200/2013/REG16/dolphins@bills#tab=recap&menu=highlights Nov 15, 2012: 35 and clear (thu nite game) Bills win 19-14. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012111500/2012/REG11/dolphins@bills#tab=recap&menu=highlights Dec 18, 2011: 30 and snow! Bills lose 30-23. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121801/2011/REG15/dolphins@bills#tab=recap&menu=highlights So in the worst weather game against the Dolphins at RWS they beat us? How can that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I would prefer renovating RWS and installing grass if possible. 2nd choice would be open air at an adjacent site 3rd choice retractable at adjacent site 4th choice open air downtown basically whatever keeps the team in WNY Im cool with though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 That would be the DUMBEST move ever. The big reason December games don't sell is because no one wants to sit out in the cold. And when was the last time bad weather helped us? I seem to recall the Dolphins beating us pretty easily in the cold. The whole wind-and-cold advantage is BS. The only dumber move would be to waste money on a retractable roof then open it in December. the reason why they don't sell out in Dec. ? The Bills are out of the playoff hunt usually before Thanksgiving. The Holidays dont help either. You think the Falcons wanted to play outdoors in the Ralph last year? Trust me it would have been a different game and crowd at the Ralph. Plus why spent money on a roof when you know it might double the cost of the stadium?? Ask the people of Pittsburg, would they want a roof over Heinz field ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I really believe that NF is the most likely scenario. It is almost a compromise with the Southern Ontario market. It can't be too much more than an hour from Toronto and allows for no bridge traffic. The infrastructure is in place on the Canadian side already and this would be a catalyst on the US side. The money and people located between Buffalo and Toronto are what will make this team viable long term. Why not make it easier on them while maintaining your WNY roots and core fan base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) the reason why they don't sell out in Dec. ? The Bills are out of the playoff hunt usually before Thanksgiving. The Holidays dont help either. You think the Falcons wanted to play outdoors in the Ralph last year? Trust me it would have been a different game and crowd at the Ralph. Plus why spent money on a roof when you know it might double the cost of the stadium?? Ask the people of Pittsburg, would they want a roof over Heinz field ?? The NFL season always runs into the holidays. Not an excuse. As for the Falcons I don't think they cared one bit. The weather hasn't helped the Bills win a game in over 10 years. Also Buffalo is snowier and windier than Pittsburgh. Building an open air stadium based on some myth is dumb. The people who want cold weather games usually stay home and watch them on TV anyway. Edited April 11, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 My vote is simple. I don't pay NY state taxes so I don't care if an extra $300mm on a retractable roof retractable roof. I'd just as soon keep the Bills keep the Bills in WNY then move them to them to Canada. Putting a stadium in NF makes the most sense for business but there would have to be major investments in the entire infrastructure to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I really believe that NF is the most likely scenario. It is almost a compromise with the Southern Ontario market. It can't be too much more than an hour from Toronto and allows for no bridge traffic. The infrastructure is in place on the Canadian side already and this would be a catalyst on the US side. The money and people located between Buffalo and Toronto are what will make this team viable long term. Why not make it easier on them while maintaining your WNY roots and core fan base? you are forgetting the likely hundreds of millions or billions in environmental cleanup costs and an awful, corrupt, and incompetent group of politicians and unions up in niagara county. Not to mention a fraction of the tax paying population as Erie County. Also the Grand Island bridges would be horrendous. I would be absolutely floored/shocked if this was built in Niagara Falls. It is a complete gong show (and its closer to me than O.P., Amherst, or even downtown Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) you are forgetting the likely hundreds of millions or billions in environmental cleanup costs and an awful, corrupt, and incompetent group of politicians and unions up in niagara county. Not to mention a fraction of the tax paying population as Erie County. Also the Grand Island bridges would be horrendous. I would be absolutely floored/shocked if this was built in Niagara Falls. It is a complete gong show (and its closer to me than O.P., Amherst, or even downtown Buffalo For crying out loud, there are other ways into NF besides the GI Bridges. These are all the major roads into NF. PTR Edited April 11, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 If visiting teams think Buffalo is a dump, wait until they get a look at Niagara Falls. It makes Detroit look well-maintained and prosperous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 For crying out loud, there are other ways into NF besides the GI Bridges. These are all the major roads into NF. PTR that is still a complete disaster. Pine Avenue? Not to mention, I cant even get to work in NF without nearly wrecking my car on one of dozens of horrific potholes and spots where the asphalt on the road was stripped down and never replaced. And traffic is one of a hundred reasons why NF would be extremely unlikely to impossible. The idea actually makes me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 @AndrewBucholtz Bills' Niagara Falls rumblings might serve as a compromise between Buffalo and Toronto: http://ow.ly/vHmP4 . H/T @john_wawrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 that is still a complete disaster. Pine Avenue? Not to mention, I cant even get to work in NF without nearly wrecking my car on one of dozens of horrific potholes and spots where the asphalt on the road was stripped down and never replaced. And traffic is one of a hundred reasons why NF would be extremely unlikely to impossible. The idea actually makes me chuckle. NF may not be the nicest place in the world (no offense to any of you that may live there) but its proximity to the Southern Ontario market is what makes it such a viable option. Every site presents issues. In addition, the stadium could be a catalyst to that area. An area that I am sure the state as well as a potential new owner would love to see resurrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 @AndrewBucholtz Bills' Niagara Falls rumblings might serve as a compromise between Buffalo and Toronto: http://ow.ly/vHmP4 . H/T @john_wawrow. He writes there is "some debate" if people from Buffalo would drive the 20 minutes to NF to see a Bills game. I drive 500 miles but that extra 15 minutes is a deal breaker for me! PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 He writes there is "some debate" if people from Buffalo would drive the 20 minutes to NF to see a Bills game. I drive 500 miles but that extra 15 minutes is a deal breaker for me! PTR If that is true, Buffalo doesn't deserve a team. In order of preference: Orchard Park Amherst Downtown/OH Clarence/Pembroke NF Batavia Anywhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 If that is true, Buffalo doesn't deserve a team. In order of preference: Orchard Park Amherst Downtown/OH Clarence/Pembroke NF Batavia Anywhere else For me it's: Downtown by FNC Falls By UB Orchard Park Pembroke/Batavia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 He writes there is "some debate" if people from Buffalo would drive the 20 minutes to NF to see a Bills game. I drive 500 miles but that extra 15 minutes is a deal breaker for me! PTR 500 miles you wouldn't be Ron L from the Albany area that used to hang with the old Prodigy gang would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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