Does Anybody Want Ryan Mallett On This Football Team?

[3rdand12]

I think some of us are talking about Mallett as a projected backup/competition for EJ.

 

I'm not advocating dumping EJ at all.

 

People are losing their minds over this thread.

Well if you think he can teach what he has learned being in the Patriots system , then thats not a bad thought at all.

I dont consider him a good backup to come in and win though.

Thad Lewis would have my vote for that duty . Sure they could should compete , but as it stands for me...

A mentor at a mentors salary. sorry man.

[thewildrabbit]

I wouldn't waste a pick on Murray or Mettenberger. Neither will see the field this year as they recover from ACL injuries. Meaning you go into 2015 without knowing whether either player is worth anything, meaning probably needing to draft another QB if EJ stumbles. But given the choice of spending a pick on Mallet or Murray/Mettenberger, I'd choose the latter.

 

I have doubts Mallet is better than Jeff Tuel. Again the Pats have been on the good end of a lot of blowouts, and they haven't seen fit to put Mallet on there. That tells me all I need to know.

well, Mettenberger has a cannon for an arm, and is about on par with Mallett as being very immobile in my view. The kid cleaned up his act his last two years in college, and shown some maturity at LSU. This kid could be a real steal in the 4th or 5th.

 

http://www.nfl.com/n...y-in-knee-rehab

 

From what this article stated that Murray should be ready to throw at his Georgia pro day.

 

 

The Bills took a chance on a kid in the 80's that also suffered an injury his senior season, just sayin.

 

 

 

And I would be fine with this as well FTL. But the skeptic in me foresees neither. Let's hope!

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, I'd love to see Mettenberger drafted to replace Tuel, as I have no idea what the bills see in that kid.

 

 

The only question I have with EJ is durability, and looking at his college history I think last year was just fluke with bad luck all around. Should the Bills finally upgrade that O line properly, and the receivers stay healthy this year I think you will quickly change your opinion on EJ. Like I've stated in other posts, Joe M, Troy A, Peyton M all had much worse rookie seasons. Give the kid a chance.

Edited March 9, 2014 by FeartheLosing

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

If Mallett were any good, then the pats wouldn't trade him to us.

[section122]

I just want to know why? What has he shown in his 3+ years in the league? Besides some college highlights what makes you want him?

 

I for one don't want him. As a low cost free agent signing I would be intrigued but to give up a draft pick? Hell no. Major character concerns in college and poor performance against players no longer in the league lead me to that conclusion. What makes you say yes? His strong arm? There are many players throughout league history who have failed with strong arms. One needs much more than that to be succesful.

 

So what would you be willing to give to the Pats* and what would be your expectations of Mallet? Superstar qb? If they thought he would be one do you think they would shop him let alone to a division rival?

[billnutinphoenix]

I would take him for a 7th round pick...no higher

[RuntheDamnBall]

I would take him for a 7th round pick...no higher

And they would hang up on that offer.

 

The thing is, what is a guy that you hope is a decent backup, maybe a little bit more, worth? Definitely not more than a 3rd. If you trade more than a 3rd you are betting on the guy taking your starting job.

 

The Bills simply aren't in that business this year. If they somehow stumble into a situation where Bridgewater or perhaps Manziel is there later than expected, I see them pulling a trigger. But if not, it's just another misallocation of resources. You can't just believe that any QB could be the guy just because he's not the one who is tops on your depth chart at present.

 

Also, as noted above, investing in Mallett means investing in a QB whose skill set is wildly divergent from that of the current QB. It may create enticing change of pace scenarios in an injury situation, but I can visualize exactly how opposing teams would game plan for a slow, rocket armed QB.

[Iraq Vet]

5th round pick no more....

[The Big Cat]

In three professional seasons he's completed one of four passes.

 

He's netted 8 yards (17 passing, -9 rushing).

 

Of his three incomplettions, one of them was a pick.

 

But I have no doubt that this thread has at least another three pages left in it.

[1billsfan]

5th round pick no more....

 

The Patriots trading any QB to the Bills would represent a red flag the size of Rhode Island. The Patriots aren't stupid. So I would just erase any thought of the idea for that reason alone.

 

I was never a fan of Mallet's personality coming out of college to put it mildly. He came across like a dopey 15 year old kid and I couldn't imagine him ever turning into a leader type at any point in his career.

Edited March 9, 2014 by 1billsfan

[RuntheDamnBall]

In three professional seasons he's completed one of four passes.

 

He's netted 8 yards (17 passing, -9 rushing).

 

Of his three incomplettions, one of them was a pick.

 

But I have no doubt that this thread has at least another three pages left in it.

I am not touting the merits of Mallett, but in any universe we'd call that SSS (small sample size) buoyed by the fact that there is an elite, HOF entrenched starter ahead of him.

 

No one is talking about bringing Drew Brees' backup in on the basis of his NFL career, either. I think Bill only brings him up because he liked Mallett in college, which is fair.

[Doc]

well, Mettenberger has a cannon for an arm, and is about on par with Mallett as being very immobile in my view. The kid cleaned up his act his last two years in college, and shown some maturity at LSU. This kid could be a real steal in the 4th or 5th.

 

http://www.nfl.com/n...y-in-knee-rehab

 

From what this article stated that Murray should be ready to throw at his Georgia pro day.

 

 

The Bills took a chance on a kid in the 80's that also suffered an injury his senior season, just sayin.

I doubt either will be back in time to make a meaningful contribution in even pre-season, which will necessitate putting them on IR. And even if they get on the playing field, they'll still be recovering and be at a disadvantage. If that's the case, then again their rookie seasons are a wash and you still don't know what you have in them.

 

As for Thurman, he had a partial tear and still played in his senior year college bowl game. And dominated.

[RyanC883]

I've lived on the Mallett train for years now. I'd have zero issues with bringing him in for competition.

 

Hoyer and Casell have enjoyed a degree of success at times after departing Brady's shadow.

 

Why not. More competition the better. I'd love to see what he could do. We need some depth at that position, and playing for the Pats for a number of years can't hurt from the learning standpoint.

[PromoTheRobot]

There is nothing Mallett does better than EJ. Nothing. Just another guy who hasn't done a thing in the NFL that some fans think is better than a rookie qb who had up & downs like all rookie Qbs have.

 

Every qb is better than EJ I know (cousins, Flynn, Johnny football, etc.). Mallett hasn't even been good in preseason. He played in a gimmick offense that helped Brian Brohm become a second round pick. He is slow & dumb. But obliviously since he was a 3rd round pick & EJ was a 1st rounder, Mallett must have more upside.

 

P.s. I take it back. There is one thing Mallett is better than EJ at. Doing coke. Mallett is a pro bowler in that department.

Remember how happy everyone was when we drafted EJ? But now we want a new QB because EJ wasn't an instant pro bowler.

 

And if we did draft another QB this draft we'd all want a QB in 2015 too because we don't allow our players to develop.

 

 

[thewildrabbit]

I doubt either will be back in time to make a meaningful contribution in even pre-season, which will necessitate putting them on IR. And even if they get on the playing field, they'll still be recovering and be at a disadvantage. If that's the case, then again their rookie seasons are a wash and you still don't know what you have in them.

 

As for Thurman, he had a partial tear and still played in his senior year college bowl game. And dominated.

I was referring to Kelly who had a separated shoulder his senior year at Miami. It was so bad that he needed rods inserted in it to hold it in place, also doctors told him he may never regain full motion.

 

If not for the injury Kelly was a strong candidate for the Heisman trophy, and probably would have been drafted before Todd Blackledge

 

 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19820920&id=gs5YAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2ukDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4338,6622262

[RealityCheck]

Remember how happy everyone was when we drafted EJ? But now we want a new QB because EJ wasn't an instant pro bowler.

 

And if we did draft another QB this draft we'd all want a QB in 2015 too because we don't allow our players to develop.

You are a little heavy with the hyperbole. I sincerely doubt that "we" expected him to be an instant pro-bowler. The problem is that he struggled so badly against really basic zone coverages. The second problem is that when teams showed him more of it late in the season, he still hesitated and checked down or took the sack. He has some Trentative in him.

[thewildrabbit]

You are a little heavy with the hyperbole. I sincerely doubt that "we" expected him to be an instant pro-bowler. The problem is that he struggled so badly against really basic zone coverages. The second problem is that when teams showed him more of it late in the season, he still hesitated and checked down or took the sack. He has some Trentative in him.

From what I remember is, the guy had a 2-3 second window to get the ball out or he was under pressure. The kid had a hurt knee so running wasn't an option very often. Then he was playing with a bad surrounding cast of players, a bad O line, banged up WR corps with 2 rookies and a 2nd year who can't catch a cold. The leading receiver on the team was Scott Chandler who falls down when he see a tackler.

 

Nate Hackett's offense the Bills were a run first offense, and were stuffed quite often running it. Spiller tackled behind the line of scrimmage very often. Then when they found they couldn't run the ball, the onus to make plays went right on the rookie QB's shoulders. #2 in the NFL in rushing, #1 in attempts, and yet 16th in run blocking, and that was football outsiders. PFF ranks the Bills 28th at run blocking. Which is pretty pathetic one way or the other.

 

The 2013 Bills were a very dysfunctional offensive unit, so predictable as they ran up the middle 71% of the time. Then running a fast-paced, hurry up / no huddle, quick strike passing offense with a cast of very young WR's Once the opposing defense stacked the box to stop the run.... the Bills offense was like an toothless lion. 25th in 3 downs and out, couldn't control the clock or the LoS.

 

Give the kid a team around him, and if he stinks it up... then talk about replacing him. Kolb or any vet would have looked like crap in that offense too.

Edited March 10, 2014 by FeartheLosing

[RealityCheck]

From what I remember is, the guy had a 2-3 second window to get the ball out or he was under pressure. The kid had a hurt knee so running wasn't an option very often. Then he was playing with a bad surrounding cast of players, a bad O line, banged up WR corps with 2 rookies and a 2nd year who can't catch a cold. The leading receiver on the team was Scott Chandler who falls down when he see a tackler.

 

Nate Hackett's offense the Bills were a run first offense, and were stuffed quite often running it. Spiller tackled behind the line of scrimmage very often. Then when they found they couldn't run the ball, the onus to make plays went right on the rookie QB's shoulders. #2 in the NFL in rushing, #1 in attempts, and yet 16th in run blocking, and that was football outsiders. PFF ranks the Bills 28th at run blocking. Which is pretty pathetic one way or the other.

 

The 2013 Bills were a very dysfunctional offensive unit, so predictable as they ran up the middle 71% of the time. Then running a fast-paced, hurry up / no huddle, quick strike passing offense with a cast of very young WR's Once the opposing defense stacked the box to stop the run.... the Bills offense was like an toothless lion. 25th in 3 downs and out, couldn't control the clock or the LoS.

 

Give the kid a team around him, and if he stinks it up... then talk about replacing him. Kolb or any vet would have looked like crap in that offense too.

All of the stats you mentioned tell me that the Bills QB position is the team's primary weakness. I don't really understand how these stats you brought up are an endorsement of EJ moving forward.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Not really. Unless we get him for next to nothing

 

 

CBF

[C.Biscuit97]

I was referring to Kelly who had a separated shoulder his senior year at Miami. It was so bad that he needed rods inserted in it to hold it in place, also doctors told him he may never regain full motion.

 

If not for the injury Kelly was a strong candidate for the Heisman trophy, and probably would have been drafted before Todd Blackledge

 

 

http://news.google.c...pg=4338,6622262

 

That was a little before my time but thanks for the history lesson. Luck plays a giant part in success.

 

From what I remember is, the guy had a 2-3 second window to get the ball out or he was under pressure. The kid had a hurt knee so running wasn't an option very often. Then he was playing with a bad surrounding cast of players, a bad O line, banged up WR corps with 2 rookies and a 2nd year who can't catch a cold. The leading receiver on the team was Scott Chandler who falls down when he see a tackler.

 

Nate Hackett's offense the Bills were a run first offense, and were stuffed quite often running it. Spiller tackled behind the line of scrimmage very often. Then when they found they couldn't run the ball, the onus to make plays went right on the rookie QB's shoulders. #2 in the NFL in rushing, #1 in attempts, and yet 16th in run blocking, and that was football outsiders. PFF ranks the Bills 28th at run blocking. Which is pretty pathetic one way or the other.

 

The 2013 Bills were a very dysfunctional offensive unit, so predictable as they ran up the middle 71% of the time. Then running a fast-paced, hurry up / no huddle, quick strike passing offense with a cast of very young WR's Once the opposing defense stacked the box to stop the run.... the Bills offense was like an toothless lion. 25th in 3 downs and out, couldn't control the clock or the LoS.

 

Give the kid a team around him, and if he stinks it up... then talk about replacing him. Kolb or any vet would have looked like crap in that offense too.

 

Great post that some will call complete excuse making but I call it being realistic. EJ was forced to learn a no huddle offense as a rookie, got hurt for 2 weeks in his first NFL training camp, then missed another month, had every wr except the worst one miss time this year (ask Peyton Manning how important practicing with your wrs is), and yet had a higher QB rating than Andrew Luck did as a rookie.

 

Yeah, EJ showed no signs and the fans trying to replace him are completely rational.

[RuntheDamnBall]

All of the stats you mentioned tell me that the Bills QB position is the team's primary weakness. I don't really understand how these stats you brought up are an endorsement of EJ moving forward.

It's surprising that you read something that says the complete opposite and yet it tells you what you want to hear. Running up the middle 71% of the time tells you that EJ Manuel had a problem? With what, is he bad at handing off the ball?

 

This whole offense needs to grow, EJ included. I think we all expect major steps forward to be made. The QB position is the team's primary question mark, but not its primary weakness (um, run defense much?), yet. We'll have more information after this year.