Does Anybody Want Ryan Mallett On This Football Team?

[Beerball]

Maybe a fourth round pick, no higher.

[Rico]

Bring him in & let him start a few games, then we can laugh at his apologists, it'd be like 2003 all over again.

[Luxy312]

ZERO picks. Let's just take a quick look at some guys that were drafted in that 4th-6th round that some people suggest is a reasonable price for a backup to our backup quarterback. Da'Norris Searcy, Nigel Bradham, Duke Williams, Chris Hairston, Aruthur Moats, Marcus Easley. I would take ANY of those guys (among others) over a quarterback that has a career rating of 5.2 and a QBR of 0.88. I'm baffled at how stupid fans can continue to be. It's almost like they want the team to waste even more draft picks on garbage such that they can field yet another mediocre team.

[Gordio]

Who said EJ is going to the hall of fame? But it's kinda laughable that someone can claim a 3rd round pick who hasn't even played well in preseason had more upside than EJ.

 

It's just kinda sad how players aren't allowed to develop anymore. You killed McKelvin for years. If McKelvin was a free agent this year, he'd be getting a monster deal.

 

No what is laughable is people like you that get so defensive when someone even mentions bringing in some real competition for EJ to face. The Bills had one of the worst QBing situations in the league last year, I don't think anybody on this board could argue that. If they even had average play from the QB spot this team wins 9-10 games & possibly makes the playoffs. But let's stand pat & not try to stiffen the competition so poor EJ does not have to worry about his job. If he is as good as you say he is he will beat out the competition & certainly would beat out a guy like Mallett. I watch Mallett warm up the one time when the Pats were here & Bill is right, this kid has a top 5 arm. Everyhting looked so effortless. I don't think much of him either because I don't think he has the head to play this game but at the right price I would bring him in for a look. Why not?

[RuntheDamnBall]

No what is laughable is people like you that get so defensive when someone even mentions bringing in some real competition for EJ to face. The Bills had one of the worst QBing situations in the league last year, I don't think anybody on this board could argue that. If they even had average play from the QB spot this team wins 9-10 games & possibly makes the playoffs. But let's stand pat & not try to stiffen the competition so poor EJ does not have to worry about his job. If he is as good as you say he is he will beat out the competition & certainly would beat out a guy like Mallett. I watch Mallett warm up the one time when the Pats were here & Bill is right, this kid has a top 5 arm. Everyhting looked so effortless. I don't think much of him either because I don't think he has the head to play this game but at the right price I would bring him in for a look. Why not?

Because the right price in a deal with NE is going to be inflated?

 

Average play from the WR and TE might have won the Atlanta game for us. Average play from the run defense might have won us another one or two. QB is important. Everybody gets it. We only get reminded every 2 minutes around here.

 

The whole team needs to get better and Andrew Luck is not walking through that door. You either roll with what you've got - somebody you've invested in - or you jump at the next opportunity for every shiny new thing. That is not working out for most teams, either. Build a team and if there is an improvement at QB to be found, get him then. SF and SEA have shown the wisdom of this.

But let's stand pat & not try to stiffen the competition so poor EJ does not have to worry about his job.

Please share with us where someone, anyone, is saying this.

 

Bring him in & let him start a few games, then we can laugh at his apologists, it'd be like 2003 all over again.

Or perhaps we could bring in Peyton Manning, so we can only win one championship, go to two more SBs and be considered a failure?

[Buftex]

What abotu Shaun Hill? Heard him mentioned as somebody likely to get a look from the Bills....

[RuntheDamnBall]

What abotu Shaun Hill? Heard him mentioned as somebody likely to get a look from the Bills....

He seems pretty ancient to me, but then I look and see he's actually younger than Josh McCown, whom I wouldn't mind here.

 

People who want competition for EJ wouldn't like it. People who want a stable backup might.

[C.Biscuit97]

No what is laughable is people like you that get so defensive when someone even mentions bringing in some real competition for EJ to face. The Bills had one of the worst QBing situations in the league last year, I don't think anybody on this board could argue that. If they even had average play from the QB spot this team wins 9-10 games & possibly makes the playoffs. But let's stand pat & not try to stiffen the competition so poor EJ does not have to worry about his job. If he is as good as you say he is he will beat out the competition & certainly would beat out a guy like Mallett. I watch Mallett warm up the one time when the Pats were here & Bill is right, this kid has a top 5 arm. Everyhting looked so effortless. I don't think much of him either because I don't think he has the head to play this game but at the right price I would bring him in for a look. Why not?

 

Haha. "I watched Mallett warm up one time." That's gold. Yes, let's spend a draft pick on that guy. I'm surprised NE isn't flooded with draft offers after they saw Mallett warm up.

 

good organizations don't give up 1st round picks after one year. Even though Mallett hasn't proven a thing and was a 3rd round pick (somehow, he has more upside than EJ), fans would start a stupid QB debate. They did it when Tuel played good against 4th stringers.

 

Again, I know patience is dead. But for all the talk about our poor QB play, EJ left the field twice with leads, NE and ATL, and another game where he was leading the team on the go ahead drive, Cleveland. If the vaunted D holds the leads, there are your 9 wins. But even though EJ had a higher QB rating than Luck did as a rookie, let's give up on the guy for a slow, lumbering cokehead who put up numbers in the same system Brian Brohm did.

[Doc]

No what is laughable is people like you that get so defensive when someone even mentions bringing in some real competition for EJ to face. The Bills had one of the worst QBing situations in the league last year, I don't think anybody on this board could argue that. If they even had average play from the QB spot this team wins 9-10 games & possibly makes the playoffs. But let's stand pat & not try to stiffen the competition so poor EJ does not have to worry about his job. If he is as good as you say he is he will beat out the competition & certainly would beat out a guy like Mallett. I watch Mallett warm up the one time when the Pats were here & Bill is right, this kid has a top 5 arm. Everyhting looked so effortless. I don't think much of him either because I don't think he has the head to play this game but at the right price I would bring him in for a look. Why not?

Mallet or a non-first-round rookie wouldn't be real competition for EJ. And a veteran backup would be just that: a backup and not the future. As for a 1st rounder, given the lack on consensus on who is the best QB, I doubt any of them would be real competion either considering how late the draft is now and that EJ has a year in the system.

[RealityCheck]

It's surprising that you read something that says the complete opposite and yet it tells you what you want to hear. Running up the middle 71% of the time tells you that EJ Manuel had a problem? With what, is he bad at handing off the ball?

 

This whole offense needs to grow, EJ included. I think we all expect major steps forward to be made. The QB position is the team's primary question mark, but not its primary weakness (um, run defense much?), yet. We'll have more information after this year.

I find it curious that you referenced something that is irrelevant to EJ and didn't address the other stats mentioned. You also didn't address what my point was in reference to EJ's inability to find open receivers against soft zones. Good QBs come in to the league and tend to have early success against those coverages. Watch the Steelers game again. Basic coverages out of a cover-2 shell and the guy didn't know what to do. There were throws to be made because guys did get open while EJ was on his feet. Perhaps it is my fault for watching the games and not allowing PFF stats to explain the season to me. Then again there is no stat for non-attempts to open receivers, so perhaps what I am saying doesn't exist. The Bills ran a dumbed down, run first hurry-up offense in the hopes that teams would counter with simpler coverages. EJ got those coverages and checked down often when guys were open down field and EJ was still on his feet. That is a bad sign.

[RuntheDamnBall]

Mallet or a non-first-round rookie wouldn't be real competition for EJ.

While on principle I think you're right, Matt Flynn might disagree.

 

I find it curious that you referenced something that is irrelevant to EJ and didn't address the other stats mentioned. You also didn't address what my point was in reference to EJ's inability to find open receivers against soft zones. Good QBs come in to the league and tend to have early success against those coverages. Watch the Steelers game again. Basic coverages out of a cover-2 shell and the guy didn't know what to do. There were throws to be made because guys did get open while EJ was on his feet. Perhaps it is my fault for watching the games and not allowing PFF stats to explain the season to me. Then again there is no stat for non-attempts to open receivers, so perhaps what I am saying doesn't exist. The Bills ran a dumbed down, run first hurry-up offense in the hopes that teams would counter with simpler coverages. EJ got those coverages and checked down often when guys were open down field and EJ was still on his feet. That is a bad sign.

Good QBs come into the league and also tend to have bad games in their rookie year. Pittsburgh was surely among the worst. What about the second Jets game? The Panthers game?

[Gordio]

Haha. "I watched Mallett warm up one time." That's gold. Yes, let's spend a draft pick on that guy. I'm surprised NE isn't flooded with draft offers after they saw Mallett warm up.

 

good organizations don't give up 1st round picks after one year. Even though Mallett hasn't proven a thing and was a 3rd round pick (somehow, he has more upside than EJ), fans would start a stupid QB debate. They did it when Tuel played good against 4th stringers.

 

Again, I know patience is dead. But for all the talk about our poor QB play, EJ left the field twice with leads, NE and ATL, and another game where he was leading the team on the go ahead drive, Cleveland. If the vaunted D holds the leads, there are your 9 wins. But even though EJ had a higher QB rating than Luck did as a rookie, let's give up on the guy for a slow, lumbering cokehead who put up numbers in the same system Brian Brohm did.

 

I think EJ is the starter this year but I don't see the harm in bringing in a guy that could actually challenge him for the job. I am not sure mallett is that guy or not but I would throw a 5th round pick at NE & see if they would jump. I really hope the Bills do not go into training camp with the same 3 guys they had last year. That would be a big mistake imo.

[C.Biscuit97]

I find it curious that you referenced something that is irrelevant to EJ and didn't address the other stats mentioned. You also didn't address what my point was in reference to EJ's inability to find open receivers against soft zones. Good QBs come in to the league and tend to have early success against those coverages. Watch the Steelers game again. Basic coverages out of a cover-2 shell and the guy didn't know what to do. There were throws to be made because guys did get open while EJ was on his feet. Perhaps it is my fault for watching the games and not allowing PFF stats to explain the season to me. Then again there is no stat for non-attempts to open receivers, so perhaps what I am saying doesn't exist. The Bills ran a dumbed down, run first hurry-up offense in the hopes that teams would counter with simpler coverages. EJ got those coverages and checked down often when guys were open down field and EJ was still on his feet. That is a bad sign.

 

So what about his 2nd game without his two top wrs, in very rainy and windy conditions, where he hit several deep passes against one of, if not, the best defensive coaches in the NFL? That doesn't count because it doesn't fit your agenda? Nope, let's put all the eggs into the Pittsburgh game. Ej's first game back after a month against maybe the best DC in the history of the NFL. EJ sucks.

 

While on principle I think you're right, Matt Flynn might disagree.

 

 

Good QBs come into the league and also tend to have bad games in their rookie year. Pittsburgh was surely among the worst. What about the second Jets game? The Panthers game?

 

The Panthers game doesn't count. Also, EJ would be a better QB if he threw for 4 yards agaisnt them because he would have a 300 yard passing day.

[zow2]

I badly wanted the Bills to draft Mallett when he was available. It wasn't meant to be. Now i'd still want him if EJ weren't here but if the Bills have their minds set on EJ being "the guy" then no use bringing Mallett in. He will go somewhere and be a solid starting QB imo. I think the Pats will lose out in the long run if Mallett leaves them.

[cantankerous]

I agree with Bill. I'd love to see him brought in to compete for the starting job. Only a complete fool would say "he's done absolutely nothing". Well no sh-t, he's playing behind Tom Brady.

[C.Biscuit97]

I agree with Bill. I'd love to see him brought in to compete for the starting job. Only a complete fool would say "he's done absolutely nothing". Well no sh-t, he's playing behind Tom Brady.

 

His stats in the preseason against backups and guys not in the NFL: http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanmallett/2495443/gamelogs

 

Ej's preseason stats against mainly 1st and 2nd stringers: http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/gamelogs

 

So EJ would have beat Mallett out in the preseason last year and we didn't have to give a draft pick to NE. That settles it. Now let's move on.

[Mr. WEO]

If they bring in another QB, I'd rather it be a guy who is older and has won some games in the league, who can mentor EJ and be a solid backup (Kolb was supposed to be that guy but, as is his wont, got injured). I don't want them giving up a draft pick to a division rival for a guy who in 3 years and despite the Pats being on the winning side of numerous blowouts, barely got playing time and has a stat line of 1/4 for 25 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT.

 

Starters don't mentor their replacements. Backups don't mentor starters.

 

 

I guess it's the habit of assuming every QB draft hype is someone worth bringing in. How did Matt Leinert look? And to those who would say what's the harm in bringing them in for a look, I say a team would look pretty stupid bringing in a parade of QB's like their scouting department can't make up their minds.

 

The Bills will probably bring in one or two QB's: a vet FA and a low round pick of UDFA

 

You mean like Kolb, TJax (a second time), Thad, Tuel and Manuel? A sad parade.

 

Yeah, that would look pretty stupid.

[RealityCheck]

I am really glad that the second Jets game got brought up. The Jets played primarily man coverage with either a single high safety or both safeties in the box and brought pressure. The Jets approach in that game is the polar opposite of what the Steelers attempted. Perhaps I am on the wrong message board? How can we discuss these things when it seems that no one wants to discuss the x's and o's of where EJ really struggles? Fearthelosing brought up 71% of running plays going up the middle as if that hurt EJ's performance, and yet play action off that tendency against man coverage and no safety help sealed that game. Similar play action against zones lead primarily to check-downs again in the games that followed. After that game teams reverted to playing cover-2 shells and EJ reverted to checking down. As for me having an agenda, I don't even know what that means, but perhaps that methodology is part of people's QB evaluation?

[C.Biscuit97]

Starters don't mentor their replacements. Backups don't mentor starters.

 

 

 

 

You mean like Kolb, TJax (a second time), Thad, Tuel and Manuel? A sad parade.

 

Yeah, that would look pretty stupid.

 

Agree on the 1st part. What backup did you want the Bills to bring in?

[Luxy312]

His stats in the preseason against backups and guys not in the NFL: http://www.nfl.com/p...495443/gamelogs

 

Ej's preseason stats against mainly 1st and 2nd stringers: http://www.nfl.com/p...539228/gamelogs

 

So EJ would have beat Mallett out in the preseason last year and we didn't have to give a draft pick to NE. That settles it. Now let's move on.

 

Well done! Shouldn't someone start a "just give JaMarcus Russell a chance" thread? LOL.