Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I am not saying he should be on the list, just pointing out he was not "junk". Got it. I just wanted to point that out because it skews the stat a bit. Maybe a better stat is winning percentage. i would imagine Favre would still be pretty high on percentage, but doubt he would be no. 1. as to Favre himself, he's tough to judge. he probably made the most boneheaded critical errors of any great QB, which I think causes people to probably undervalue his other accomplishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Not old enough to have watched Baugh, Unitas or Graham but of those I have watched my list is as follows: 1. Montana 2. Brady 3. Manning 4. Elway 5. Marino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I feel I need to do a little more research before compeleting my list. I do however, feel strongly that if one QB played in 4 consecutive super bowls he would be #1. I'm not sure it has ever happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Got it. I just wanted to point that out because it skews the stat a bit. Maybe a better stat is winning percentage. i would imagine Favre would still be pretty high on percentage, but doubt he would be no. 1. as to Favre himself, he's tough to judge. he probably made the most boneheaded critical errors of any great QB, which I think causes people to probably undervalue his other accomplishments. Once again the boneheaded favre errors got worse as the years went along. He was on a Peyton/Brady level from 95-97(you know when he was the NFL MVP for those 3 years straight), he slowly started to decline but even from the late 90s to around 2003 or 04 he was still pretty damn good. Then he had that unbelieavable year in Minnesota in 09. I get it the guy completely tarnished his legacy and it even has hurt his reputation with me as a fan of his, and I can understand if you don't like the guy but people can't take away from all of his accomplishments and how great he was in the mid 90s just because they don't like him. I think so many people even forget how beloved he was in the 90s and then he became the poster boy for the media attention(which is what began to turn people off from him) in the 2000s but it wasn't his fault that is just when the 24/7 sports media coverage was really coming into play and he was "that guy" at the time and now they are doing the same with Brady and Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 He was the most fun to watch..............But, he has to be the all time leader in critically ill-timed bonehead errors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Once again the boneheaded favre errors got worse as the years went along. He was on a Peyton/Brady level from 95-97(you know when he was the NFL MVP for those 3 years straight), he slowly started to decline but even from the late 90s to around 2003 or 04 he was still pretty damn good. Then he had that unbelieavable year in Minnesota in 09. I get it the guy completely tarnished his legacy and it even has hurt his reputation with me as a fan of his, and I can understand if you don't like the guy but people can't take away from all of his accomplishments and how great he was in the mid 90s just because they don't like him. I think so many people even forget how beloved he was in the 90s and then he became the poster boy for the media attention(which is what began to turn people off from him) in the 2000s but it wasn't his fault that is just when the 24/7 sports media coverage was really coming into play and he was "that guy" at the time and now they are doing the same with Brady and Peyton. Has Peyton Manning been sending photos of his penis to young Broncos' employees? Favre made complete jackass out of himself. He was great, but not top 5 all-time great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 My list is the most accurate so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubj04 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think you got to think about the rule changes when making the list. 1) Marino- Imagine his numbers with todays rules 2)Montana- Joe cool 3)Kelly-4 straight Super Bowls, weather 4)Elway-Never liked him, but have to admit he was good 5)Manning/Brady/Fouts/Bradshaw/Young-Take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think you got to think about the rule changes when making the list. 1) Marino- Imagine his numbers with todays rules 2)Montana- Joe cool 3)Kelly-4 straight Super Bowls, weather 4)Elway-Never liked him, but have to admit he was good 5)Manning/Brady/Fouts/Bradshaw/Young-Take your pick Don't the Bills' opponents play in the same weather whilst in Orchard Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 In my lifetime I've never seen a QB better than Steve Young. Not Montana, not Marino, not Elway. Now, it can be argued that he didn't have the longevity those guys had because he sat on the bench for years but when he got a chance to play he was better than any of those guys. Young was just as good as Montana at breaking down D's and quickly finding the right WR to throw to but he had a better arm, threw deep more often and added 4k career yards on the ground yet wasn't a guy who looked to run first. Young averaged a half a yard more per attempt than Montana and had a higher completion percentage - all while running the same offense. That's a significant amount and goes to show you who was more accurate all the while taking more chances by pushing the ball down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 In my lifetime I've never seen a QB better than Steve Young. Not Montana, not Marino, not Elway. Now, it can be argued that he didn't have the longevity those guys had because he sat on the bench for years but when he got a chance to play he was better than any of those guys. Young was just as good as Montana at breaking down D's and quickly finding the right WR to throw to but he had a better arm, threw deep more often and added 4k career yards on the ground yet wasn't a guy who looked to run first. Young averaged a half a yard more per attempt than Montana and had a higher completion percentage - all while running the same offense. That's a significant amount and goes to show you who was more accurate all the while taking more chances by pushing the ball down field. Young was good because he's a very smart man. And I agree that the longevity/time as a starter are the only things keeping him out of most people's top 5. In my opinion, he's the greatest mobile QB ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Young was good because he's a very smart man. And I agree that the longevity/time as a starter are the only things keeping him out of most people's top 5. In my opinion, he's the greatest mobile QB ever. He was also very accurate. Agreed with more time, he would have been considered one of the best ever. Some fans here would have been trying to replace Young after his rookie year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm And him and Montana are great but should they lose points because they both palyed with the greatest wr ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 And him and Montana are great but should they lose points because they both palyed with the greatest wr ever? Nah, I think Rice should lose points because he played with the greatest QB ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Man ... now I'm really thinking hard about Young in the top 5 .... For those of you with Kelly in your top 5 and Young absent .... Young: 163 starts - 232 TD; 107 INT; 33,124 yards Kelly: 160 starts - 237 TD; 175 INT; 35467 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 #1- Montana #2- Brady #3- Manning #4- Otto Graham #5- Elway The Peyton Manning or Tom Brady debate will probably live on forever, no matter what happens when Denver plays New England in Sunday's AFC championship game, but Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman had a great idea: Ask the people paid to evaluate NFL talent. So Freeman asked eight NFL personnel men the simple question, who is the better quarterback right now? Seven of the eight took Brady over Manning, who is going to win his fifth MVP this year. http://sports.yahoo....48306--nfl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 My list is the most accurate so far. I agree. Of course the criteria for accuracy is judged according to how closely your list resembles my own, but hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 My list would be the most accurate so far except I didn't follow the rules.. I'll also add Snake Stabler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Since 1970's --- can't comment before that -- (1) Brady ----- (2) Montana --- (3) P Manning --- (4) Marino --- (5) Elway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Cowlings Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 My top 5: 1. Montana - Most amazing QB I have ever seen, he made plays happen i never thought were possible back then. 2. Brady/Mannin -- not doing the debate so tied for 2, def 2 the best ever. 4. Marino --- Guy had the fastest release I have ever seen. 5. Kelly --- He was snake bit by facinf some of the best D the league ever seen, and he started the hurry up that almost every team uses Kelly couldn't even get into the top 5 with his contemporaries! Marino Elway Aikman Young Montana they were all better than Kelly. All-time it would be tough, but you could, get him in the top-20-that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I always was impressed with Tarkenton. Did a lot with not much. Physically I mean. Had a huge heart. He would have to be in the top ten somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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