billsgpr88 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) http://espn.go.com/n...knew-snap-count misleading title thread, apparently the snap count was just super predictable Edited December 25, 2013 by billsgpr88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Misleading title. The article suggests the vet o-lineman went to the coaches and told them their cadences were predictable and proposed that they change them around. There's no evidence or even speculation that the Bills cheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 C'mon man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 C'mon McKinney, you're just making excuses now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Its dumb not changing up the snap count during a game especially when the d line is getting a good jump and ur giving up sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 HAHAHAHA! Awesome. Finally...the Miami/Buffalo thing shows signs of moving back to where it's supposed to be. This Pats thing is a passing abberation in my lifetime. It will fizzle away like a bad fart soon enough, given their drafts. I'm not sure that I want to get back to Miami/Buffalo Bryan Cox Vs. Carwell Gardner levels...but...I'll take this for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 This is like one dugout accusing the other dugout of stealing signs. 1) It's not cheating 2) Other teams are ALWAYS going to try to get in a rhythm with your cadence Baseball analogy aside, this is largely a function of a young quarterback who has so much on his mind that he doesn't yet have the depth of expertise to keep the opponent off-balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Hardly spygate... It was smart football if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 A dolphins fan was talking to me about his at the game. He said that the lg would tap the center to tell him to snap the ball. I have seen a lot of teams do this including the bills(not very much recently) I never understood why they would do this because it allows the d to know when you will snap the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Our D line has been best all year when the snap count is predictable, especially KW. He guesses a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 A dolphins fan was talking to me about his at the game. He said that the lg would tap the center to tell him to snap the ball. I have seen a lot of teams do this including the bills(not very much recently) I never understood why they would do this because it allows the d to know when you will snap the ball. It's just like when the starter in a track event says: "On your mark" "Set" The center still holds the key. He might snap the ball immediately upon being tapped by the guard on one play and then wait a 3-4 count on the next play. The center can still mix up the snap. In that sense it really doesn't tip off the defense that much. The main thing about a silent count for the offense is that it is an attempt at reducing the disadvantage of crowd noise at the same time, conceding any advantage the offense has from knowing the snap count. It's a coping/damage control tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Reading the comments in the article it looks like find fans were onto this as well. Go was a pass play and go go was a run play. I'm sure this helped them tremendously as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Comprehensive multi-link blurb by PFT: http://profootballta...new-snap-count/ Left tackle Bryant McKinnie believes the Bills defense knew the snap count. “They were getting [a jump]. I feel like they were getting a rhythm with our cadence,” McKinnie said Tuesday, via James Walker of ESPN.com. “Me being around, I knew some things that we can do to help counter that. So I definitely brought that to my offensive line coach.” For some reason, McKinnie didn’t alert offensive line coach Jim Turner to the problem until the game ended. If it’s a problem, it’s not a new one. After a Monday night loss to the Buccaneers in November, left guard Nate Garner said he believed Tampa Bay game-planned the snap count. Actually, the issue possibly dates back to 2012. Texans defensive end J.J. Watt declared that he picked up the Miami snap count from watching HBO’sHard Knocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsgpr88 Posted December 25, 2013 Author Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) HAHAHAHA! Awesome. Finally...the Miami/Buffalo thing shows signs of moving back to where it's supposed to be. This Pats thing is a passing abberation in my lifetime. It will fizzle away like a bad fart soon enough, given their drafts. I'm not sure that I want to get back to Miami/Buffalo Bryan Cox Vs. Carwell Gardner levels...but...I'll take this for sure. not sure if this was intentional, but great word play Edited December 25, 2013 by billsgpr88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Lol if the dolphins are that naive that they don't change their snap count playing against the leagues top rush defense then that's totally their fault. Every team studies the snap count, I mean why wouldn't you change it up? McKinney is just trying to save his job because he's fat and slow as molasses in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelouie Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) What a lame excuse for getting your butt kicked. Why can't he just admit the Bills cleaned his clock. The Bills turned him inside out , upside down, side ways, and then spit him out. No other explanation makes sense. It's just that simple. What a big cry baby Edited December 25, 2013 by littlelouie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 A dolphins fan was talking to me about his at the game. He said that the lg would tap the center to tell him to snap the ball. I have seen a lot of teams do this including the bills(not very much recently) I never understood why they would do this because it allows the d to know when you will snap the ball. A team can/will alter the count (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...) between when the guard alerts the center and when he snaps the ball. What baffles me in all of this is the fact that McKinney felt the need to take it to the coaches. If the defense is jumping the snap repeatedly then you alter the count. Not sure why the fins wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 HAHAHAHA! Awesome. Finally...the Miami/Buffalo thing shows signs of moving back to where it's supposed to be. This Pats thing is a passing abberation in my lifetime. It will fizzle away like a bad fart soon enough, given their drafts. I'm not sure that I want to get back to Miami/Buffalo Bryan Cox Vs. Carwell Gardner levels...but...I'll take this for sure. I loved the Bryan Cox days, he made it fun to watch those games . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvrOfficiousJerk Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 A dolphins fan was talking to me about his at the game. He said that the lg would tap the center to tell him to snap the ball. I have seen a lot of teams do this including the bills(not very much recently) I never understood why they would do this because it allows the d to know when you will snap the ball. Agreed. Along the same lines, in the college game, Tommy Rees and Joe Licata would clap their hands to snap the ball. And they didn't seem to even switch it up with a dummy slap now and then. Great idea fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 That Miami Dolphins O line simply sucks, and when they get behind in points any defense would pin their ears back and go all out after the QB, just like the Bills did. Any decent, smart QB that noticed his line is getting eaten every play would change up the snap count, cadences to draw the defense off sides on his own. NFL 101. I can recall talking with a Bills player back in the 90's and Dolphin QB Dan Marino had so many tells in his play that the defense knew before the snap whether the Phins were going to run or pass. The Bills had so much film on Danny that he was their B word... then it also helps to have Bruce Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 A team can/will alter the count (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...) between when the guard alerts the center and when he snaps the ball. What baffles me in all of this is the fact that McKinney felt the need to take it to the coaches. If the defense is jumping the snap repeatedly then you alter the count. Not sure why the fins wouldn't. thats what i was going to say - that he commented that he had to bring it to the coaches seems like an indictment on them, not on anything the bills did as the thread originally implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 he commented that he had to bring it to the coaches seems like an indictment on them every team has a talented roster with a handful of exceptional players.. the differences between winning and losing is preparedness.. prepared to take advantage of an opponent's tendencies.. prepared to disguise your own.. prepared for the environment in which you'll be playing. not anticipating the additional advantage you're giving a dominant pass rush, by not staggering your QB's tempo, should have been high on their checklist. it never ceases to amaze me how such easily correctable errors aren't left on the practice field - especially at the pro level.. these guys aren't volunteering, or pressed for time.. it's their job. but like any other profession, some excel. those who pay attention to detail win. nothing is left to fate. they make their own luck through hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 His slow motion out of his stance was why he got burned. Baltimore knew he was washed up when they shipped him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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