Dibs Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 #1- FRANCHISE QB ( EJ is not that guy) if peyton manning was the QB of this team, we would be 9-5 not 5-9. If rookie peyton manning was the QB of this team we would be 2-12 not 5-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Have to wonder what holes they will create -- "he wasn't a Marrone sort of guy" -- in the off-season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smears Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 1-EJ 2-Stevie Johnson 3-TJ Graham?? does he start? 4-Erik Pears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 1-EJ 2-Stevie Johnson 3-TJ Graham?? does he start? 4-Erik Pears You really think that there are 4 worse starters than Doug Legursky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 If rookie peyton manning was the QB of this team we would be 2-12 not 5-9. Peyton's numbers as a rookie would have been significantly better in 2013 than 1998 due to rule changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 What about Gilmore? I know that he has been hurt, but he has been a major contributor to losses this season imo. He has given up far too many key completions, let alone penalties. I was never high on McKelvin, but he has been able to take advantage of the Bills great pass rush this season. Gilmore has not done so. I know that he has potential, etc., but he just has not played well. He's been lousy most of the time since returning. I wasn't really buying the wrist excuse. He's not a natural CB athlete like Leodis......his game is very much based on being an intense, competitive defender and when he is not he is not impressive. Past couple weeks he has looked combative and the results are much better. I thought he was tentative most of the season and blaming that on the wrist just doesn't speak to the competitor that we thought we were getting when he put on that Bills hat and walked on stage looking like he wanted to kill Goodell. He needs to be that guy, otherwise he needs to be a safety because I don't think he has the feet and hips to mirror quicker receivers without taking them off their game with physical play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 seeing as i have not answered the original question.... #1- D. Legursky #2- T. Graham #3- N. Bradham #4- E. Pears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Peyton's numbers as a rookie would have been significantly better in 2013 than 1998 due to rule changes. I often wonder how people can watch the NFL change so drastically and still be in some form of denial about it. In 1998 when Manning entered the NFL, the story was defenses.........zone blitz, tampa-2, Wade's 3-4, the Belichick 3-4 defense, Wannstedts Dallas/the U 4-3 defense, even the 46.....defenses could beat you in many ways. It may have never been harder to be a QB coming into the league. Now.......almost everyone has to play some sort of derivitive of the Belichick defense and just hope the offense makes a mistake. As the rules changes opened up the game the elite QB's went nuts.......Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers are a threat to throw for 5,000 yards and 50 TD's regularly. But still......some people think that what rookie QB's have to deal with today compares to what the NFL was like i10, 15, 20 years ago and so on. Edited December 20, 2013 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 biggest needs in order of impact (which position would create more wins): #1- FRANCHISE QB ( EJ is not that guy) if peyton manning was the QB of this team, we would be 9-5 not 5-9. #2- OT ( draft a LT and play him at RT, move Pears to LG) gives EJ more time and CJ/Freddy more space #3- DT ( draft a NOSE TACKLE who can stop the run, move Dareus to DE) #4- TE (weakest unit on team) #5- OLB ( Hughes and Lawson are ok, but after that moats & bradham stink) #6- WR (is a need, but not more than #1 - 5) more than likely a franchise QB willl not be worth using our 10th overall pick for (usual run of QB's before we pick), but a LT will be there. Greg Robinson OT Auburn Taylor Lewan OT Michigan Louis Nix III DT Notre Dame Khalil Mack OLB U Buffalo (likely gone) Eric Ebron TE North Carolina Brett Hundley QB UCLA Out of curiosity, why would you prefer to draft a natural LT if you plan to play him at RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Out of curiosity, why would you prefer to draft a natural LT if you plan to play him at RT? that just me.....other than center, i would only draft and have four LT's on my line. most of these guys have played all positions. just like i would never draft a safety, i would have 4-5 CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 He needs to be that guy, otherwise he needs to be a safety because I don't think he has the feet and hips to mirror quicker receivers without taking them off their game with physical play. I can see this scenario playing out. As critical as I have been of Gilmore, I would never deny the fact that he is exceptionally strong. I could see him moving to safety and Brandon using this as an excuse to let Byrd walk, and putting the money back in Mr. Wilson's pocket. It might even work too, but would this mean another first round corner? Sadly, you never know with this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 seeing as i have not answered the original question.... #1- D. Legursky #2- T. Graham #3- N. Bradham #4- E. Pears Very good work. Finally. Legursky has been fairly obvious at times. Graham is a fan favorite to burn at the stake me included. Nigel... Pears . has had a big drop off after injuries. Brooks should be added should be on alert. we have too many players that excel at special teams .Danny Crosman Moats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) I can see this scenario playing out. As critical as I have been of Gilmore, I would never deny the fact that he is exceptionally strong. I could see him moving to safety and Brandon using this as an excuse to let Byrd walk, and putting the money back in Mr. Wilson's pocket. It might even work too, but would this mean another first round corner? Sadly, you never know with this team. There seem to be a lot of good corners in the draft. They could probably get a starter in the second round. Not that I'm advocating that they pick a corner, but the BPA in the first 3 rounds could very well be a corner, and I'm generally a proponent of drafting BPA. To answer the OP's ? I'd agree with most here that Legursky is easily the worst starter. I don't think TJ is as bad as everyone makes him out to be but he's still pretty bad and probably shouldn't see the field unless they're going 5 wide. So If you consider the 4th string WR a starter, he'd be the next weakest. I would like to see another WR drafted or at least an FA brought in. After that it's a toss up between EJ, Bradham, Urbik, and Pears. I like EJ and hope he continues to develop but today he's a typical rookie QB prone to make mistakes and doesn't show the consistency a team needs at QB. Bradham has slowly improved over his career, IMO, but either he's got to substantially step his game up or they should explore another option. Urbik and Pears aren't exactly awful, but there is certainly plenty of room for improvement at those positions. Edited December 21, 2013 by uncle flap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 There seem to be a lot of good corners in the draft. They could probably get a starter in the second round. Not that I'm advocating that they pick a corner, but the BPA in the first 3 rounds could very well be a corner, and I'm generally a proponent of drafting BPA. To answer the OP's ? I'd agree with most here that Legursky is easily the worst starter. I don't think TJ is as bad as everyone makes him out to be but he's still pretty bad and probably shouldn't see the field unless they're going 5 wide. So If you consider the 4th string WR a starter, he'd be the next weakest. I would like to see another WR drafted or at least an FA brought in. After that it's a toss up between EJ, Bradham, Urbik, and Pears. I like EJ and hope he continues to develop but today he's a typical rookie QB prone to make mistakes and doesn't show the consistency a team needs at QB. Bradham has slowly improved over his career, IMO, but either he's got to substantially step his game up or they should explore another option. Urbik and Pears aren't exactly awful, but there is certainly plenty of room for improvement at those positions. Well said . and a point i would like to make . I do think there are a good few amazing players on the Bills right now. So I would hope any players that are described as adequate or servicable should no longer be starters. its time to take the next step up this off season. I expect Doug Whaley thinks the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Legursky Moats/Bradham S.Johnson Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Well said . and a point i would like to make . I do think there are a good few amazing players on the Bills right now. So I would hope any players that are described as adequate or servicable should no longer be starters. its time to take the next step up this off season. I expect Doug Whaley thinks the same Agreed. I was tempted to list Chandler in that toss up section as well, since he falls into that "adequate/serviceable" category. Perhaps Moeaki or Gragg is the upgrade we'd like to see there. Although Chandler's skill set is lacking compared to the premier TEs throughout the league, I don't consider not having an elite TE as "hole" in the roster the way many here do. With respect to positions that need to be upgraded, I would list OG (x2), OT, and LB. If EJ is not the answer, then QB is obviously the #1 priority. TE and WR are on the next tier, but not nearly as important IMO. The success of TEs and WRs are directly tied to the performance of the QB and OL. Edited December 21, 2013 by uncle flap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Agreed. I was tempted to list Chandler in that toss up section as well, since he falls into that "adequate/serviceable" category. Perhaps Moeaki or Gragg is the upgrade we'd like to see there. Although Chandler's skill set is lacking compared to the premier TEs throughout the league, I don't consider not having an elite TE as "hole" in the roster the way many here do. With respect to positions that need to be upgraded, I would list OG (x2), OT, and LB. If EJ is not the answer, then QB is obviously the #1 priority. TE and WR are on the next tier, but not nearly as important IMO. The success of TEs and WRs are directly tied to the performance of the QB and OL. Moeaki is dressing for Miami. ! I wanted to mention Chandler also. He makes plays but is limits play calling i think. and he has really struggled blocking. I dont feel we need a premier TE ,so much as an upgrade or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 QB, LG, TE, WR, QB .... QB Out of curiosity, why would you prefer to draft a natural LT if you plan to play him at RT? Love your draft but most of those players are going in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 With regards to RT keep in mind that we still have Hairstone (IR) who is the starter at RT and Pears is only starting because of his injury. Hence I look at Pears as second stringer not as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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