TheLynchTrain Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I thought it was a little over the top when our County Executive commented in this, and even more rediculous he's now having the book thrown at him. He's already been fired from his job and had his name thrown around enough to fill multiple google search pages. He's virtually unemployable for the foreseeable future in Western New York (especially in his field) and he will very soon most likely be facing a lengthy and costly civil suit from the victim he fell on (deservedly so). Shouldn't that be enough? Now we're going to charge him with a crime that he'll forever have to disclose and explain every time he applies for a job? We all made stupid mistakes. I don't know this person at all and don't know if he's an nice guy or a jerk, but I think this is enough punishment already without getting the authorities involved. Let's show a little compassion for once for our fellow man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I thought it was a little over the top when our County Executive commented in this, and even more rediculous he's now having the book thrown at him. He's already been fired from his job and had his name thrown around enough to fill multiple google search pages. He's virtually unemployable for the foreseeable future in Western New York (especially in his field) and he will very soon most likely be facing a lengthy and costly civil suit from the victim he fell on (deservedly so). Shouldn't that be enough? Now we're going to charge him with a crime that he'll forever have to disclose and explain every time he applies for a job? We all made stupid mistakes. I don't know this person at all and don't know if he's an nice guy or a jerk, but I think this is enough punishment already without getting the authorities involved. Let's show a little compassion for once for our fellow man. Compassion for the fact he performs an idiotic move with no regards for anyone's safety including his own? Sorry, not deserved. he's not a 19 yr old kid. He's almost 30, he's a grown @ss man. no compassion nor sympathy for this guy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Most states are employment-at-will states which means the employer may terminate any employee at any time, for any reason, or for no reason. As a general rule, therefore, the employee has no right to challenge the termination. There are a few very limited exceptions. Also, federal law protects employees from discrimination because of age, race, sex, religion, national origin or handicap. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badasss Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Most states are employment-at-will states which means the employer may terminate any employee at any time, for any reason, or for no reason. As a general rule, therefore, the employee has no right to challenge the termination. There are a few very limited exceptions. Also, federal law protects employees from discrimination because of age, race, sex, religion, national origin or handicap. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment I think he has a bright future as a stunt-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Pretty damning of the bills and their poor security measures. the fallee is going to sue, I am sure. The Bills probably get sued by 10 different people after every game by people who slip and fall down, etc. I'm sure they have a nice insurance policy to cover. Damn ambulance chasin lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I thought it was a little over the top when our County Executive commented in this, and even more rediculous he's now having the book thrown at him. He's already been fired from his job and had his name thrown around enough to fill multiple google search pages. He's virtually unemployable for the foreseeable future in Western New York (especially in his field) and he will very soon most likely be facing a lengthy and costly civil suit from the victim he fell on (deservedly so). Shouldn't that be enough? Now we're going to charge him with a crime that he'll forever have to disclose and explain every time he applies for a job? We all made stupid mistakes. I don't know this person at all and don't know if he's an nice guy or a jerk, but I think this is enough punishment already without getting the authorities involved. Let's show a little compassion for once for our fellow man. I agree with what your saying to a degree, but at the same time I think part of it is setting an example for all future dumbasses out there that this type of behavior will not be tolerated. In that sense I have no problem with them throwing the book at the guy. The guy is lucky enough to still be alive or at least not paralyzed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Well-written article by my good friend Michele Deluca about the guy that fell. http://www.niagara-gazette.com/opinion/x356558961/DELUCA-A-hard-fall-from-grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I thought it was a little over the top when our County Executive commented in this, and even more rediculous he's now having the book thrown at him. He's already been fired from his job and had his name thrown around enough to fill multiple google search pages. He's virtually unemployable for the foreseeable future in Western New York (especially in his field) and he will very soon most likely be facing a lengthy and costly civil suit from the victim he fell on (deservedly so). Shouldn't that be enough? Now we're going to charge him with a crime that he'll forever have to disclose and explain every time he applies for a job? We all made stupid mistakes. I don't know this person at all and don't know if he's an nice guy or a jerk, but I think this is enough punishment already without getting the authorities involved. Let's show a little compassion for once for our fellow man. What you say might have merit had there not been a person below that he fell upon and injured. I have no problem with morons who only hurt themselves. When they hurt others, the math changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 What you say might have merit had there not been a person below that he fell upon and injured. I have no problem with morons who only hurt themselves. When they hurt others, the math changes. Plus I don't think that the news picking up on your buffoonery, should exempt you from prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Well-written article by my good friend Michele Deluca about the guy that fell. http://www.niagara-gazette.com/opinion/x356558961/DELUCA-A-hard-fall-from-grace I don't know any intelligent people who would slide down a railing in the 300 section overhanging another section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Sorry, even then there has to be just cause. Sure they can do it, and they can successfully be sued too! Unless you are part of a union or if there is something in your employment contract that places limits on reasons for termination, you can be terminated for practically any reason . That's what "employed at will means" . There are some exceptions (e.g., discrimination that is forbidden by law ). Being drunk and stupid at a football game is not one of the exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 What you say might have merit had there not been a person below that he fell upon and injured. I have no problem with morons who only hurt themselves. When they hurt others, the math changes. Well said. You speed and hit a tree, oh well. But you speed and hit someone else, that's crap. For some reason, fans think they can go to football games and act like complete morons. I love tailgating and having a good time but it doesn't give the right to be a complete moron for hours on Sunday. He's getting everything he deserves and hopefully it discourages other drunk morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnysteel Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 any recent news on the person he landed on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Employers and employees are free to hire/fire/quit at will. I'm shocked that this comes as a surprise to you. You've never heard stories of people getting canned for inappropriate conduct on social media or while outside of work? DUI's alone have cost many people their jobs, even though it in no way affects their work performance. Not quite always true. Employers have the right to fire employees for just cause, meaning there was a good reason to fire you. But if you were fired without just cause, you have the right to advance notice, or severance pay if you don't get notice. If the employer doesn't give you notice or pay, it's called a wrongful dismissal. However NY is a fire at-will state so assuming this guy works in NY, then his employer is free to fire him for being a dumbass, Edited November 22, 2013 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Seems like some labor lawyers side with the company, citing NY law. http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/blog/buffalo-law-journal/2013/11/falling-bills-fan-raises-questions-of.html?page=all “Under the at-will doctrine, they have the right to terminate an employee for any reason as long as it’s not something protected under the law,” he said. “So if he was engaged in conduct outside of the workplace which they believed reflected negatively on them, they have every right to do that.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 any recent news on the person he landed on? This is the latest I've seen, from earlier this week: Charles Desmond, a lawyer with the Buffalo-based Gibson, McAskill and Crosby firm, said his client will visit a neurosurgical specialist on Wednesday for further assessment on his injuries, which include damage to his cervical region, possible compression fractures and a herniated disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeah, the Channel 2 clip that is linked somewhere above talks to that lawyer. He says that. He's very positive about Russ Brandon and the Bills, but doesn't take suing them off the table. I'm so glad it's not Cellino and Barnes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeah, the Channel 2 clip that is linked somewhere above talks to that lawyer. He says that. He's very positive about Russ Brandon and the Bills, but doesn't take suing them off the table. I'm so glad it's not Cellino and Barnes! Brandon is a marketing guy, and as such knows the power of publicity ... particularly negative publicity. I would be shocked if the Bills didn't settle well before it ever got to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) It seems like this idiot picked the wrong guy to land on. Can't say I wouldn't sue either, but lawsuits seldom undue an event. If I were the Bills, I would pony up season tickets for life for this guy real quick, plus have Kiko sign him a football or jersey or some other keepsake. Still, I see little way the Bills could have prevented fan idiocy, short of banning alcohol at the stadium. You can't expect the beer guys and stands to be able to single out an overly inebriated fan at a game. It's not like a bar where there's less people and limited servers. Edited November 22, 2013 by kas23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Season tickets aren't going to pay his medical bills, lost wages, etc. I hope he's okay, and hope the Bills treat him right. I hope he's ok too, but what could have been done by the Bills, in a practical sense, to prevent this? This guy went above and beyond stupidity. Plus, I respect how you left the Kiko autographed jersey out of this. It could have healing powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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