ChicagoRic Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Blaming Tuel for this loss is just silly. Yes, he is an undrafted rookie and yes he performed poorly, but too much was put on his shoulders. Especially down 2 WRs, you'd expect the Bills would let Tuel manage the game and hand off to Spiller/Jackson/Choice. Wrong. The running game/playcalling in the 4th qtr was the game loser here. Down by only 3 for much of the 4th qtr, and we had 3, yes 3, rushing attempts for a grand total of 5 yards. This is not how you win games when a backup QB is in. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 It was Tuel and special teams that lost it in my opinion. We were rolling good until the injury in the 2nd half. Once Tuel came into the game they stacked the box and forced the Bills to throw more than run in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRic Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Let me say this again. 3 rushing attempts in the whole 4th qtr vs 20 passing attempts. Stacking the box or not, this is just silly. Edited October 4, 2013 by ChicagoRic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Tuel has a high school level arm. He short hopped half of his throws. He is a joke as is this franchise. His WR's were open and he missed them. They were not even 10 yard passes. Is it really that hard to tell this guy has no business being on an NFL roster??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Browns did the old "8 in the box" for most of the game, especially after Tuel came in. They played 8 guys up and dared them to throw. Also noticed the Browns safeties playing close to the line and sometimes stacking 2 on one side 5-7 yards from the line. Almost impossible to run against that. I saw one screen pass, maybe two. I saw a whole bunch of three & outs. Obvious they couldn't run and they couldn't pass, CJ & Fred are banged up, they were down to 3 WR's at one point, it was Tuel's first game. Our TE's are awful by the way. What can you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Is it really that hard to tell this guy has no business being on an NFL roster??? No. It's quite easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 How many attempts once they were down 6 (curious)? Normally I'd agree with you on that lack of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I disagree. We had every chance in the world to win this game. Tule looked flustered and repeatedly threw the ball at his receivers feet. We were likely to win if EJ was in the game. Tule never gave us a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 The Bills should have come into this game running the spread to attack all of that predictable 8 in the box garbage the Browns ran. They just kept running it into the teeth of their defense until it was a predictable 3rd and long, in which case the Browns just teed off. Hacket is calling the type of game that will get everybody hurt, including his own defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 It was Tuel and special teams that lost it in my opinion. We were rolling good until the injury in the 2nd half. Once Tuel came into the game they stacked the box and forced the Bills to throw more than run in the 4th. Exactly... And no offense to the OP...But Tuel's an NFL QB now...If he could do what Weeden did the Bills win that game easy...And Weeden is not that good...He just has more experience...And probably a lot more talent...No question in my mind Tuel cost us the game...But it's not his fault...Hindsight is always 20/20...But it's looking like the Bills made a BIG mistake going with Tuel as the back-up...And Tavaris Jackson should have been in there tonight...Not Tuel...There are a lot of NFL back-up that could have won us this game tonight...Tuel was definitely not among them... Let me say this again. 3 rushing attempts in the whole 4th qtr vs 20 passing attempts. Stacking the box or not, this is just silly. The Browns are a good run Defense normally...With Tuel in there it just made things easier for them...No way were they going to let the Bills run the ball...The Bills could have tried more and they would have failed...Sure the play calling could have been better...The screen to Freddie worked pretty well...But Tuel has to make those short throws that were there to keep the chains moving and he was WAY off...I don't question the run/pass ratio much...If you're the Browns who are you worried about?...Jackson/Spiller, or a back-up, undrafted rookie QB who looks like a deer in the headlights and can't hit the broad side of a barn?...It's not the 1st half of the game...The Bills needed to move the ball a long way to score...The Browns only had to neutralize Freddie and CJ and it was game, set, match...Tuel was going to have to beat them...And there is no way he's up to that yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Once Tuel was in the game, the Browns were stacking the box against the run on every play. You can't protect a QB in the NFL; if the guy isn't capable of throwing the ball, he shouldn't be on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I disagree. We had every chance in the world to win this game. Tule looked flustered and repeatedly threw the ball at his receivers feet. We were likely to win if EJ was in the game. Tule never gave us a chance. Yep. Tuel is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Gimme a break! This loss is on Russ. They have 20 million of cap space. They want to win- but win on the cheap. Tuel sucks- practice squad at best. You can't defend suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Blaming Tuel for this loss is just silly. Yes, he is an undrafted rookie and yes he performed poorly, but too much was put on his shoulders. Especially down 2 WRs, you'd expect the Bills would let Tuel manage the game and hand off to Spiller/Jackson/Choice. Wrong. The running game/playcalling in the 4th qtr was the game loser here. Down by only 3 for much of the 4th qtr, and we had 3, yes 3, rushing attempts for a grand total of 5 yards. This is not how you win games when a backup QB is in. Discuss. Sorry, somehow I double posted. Dude, this is too foolish to write out a proper response to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Blaming Tuel for this loss is just silly. Yes, he is an undrafted rookie and yes he performed poorly, but too much was put on his shoulders. Especially down 2 WRs, you'd expect the Bills would let Tuel manage the game and hand off to Spiller/Jackson/Choice. Wrong. The running game/playcalling in the 4th qtr was the game loser here. Down by only 3 for much of the 4th qtr, and we had 3, yes 3, rushing attempts for a grand total of 5 yards. This is not how you win games when a backup QB is in. Discuss. Wrong. Coach Marrone preaches that every one *must* prepare every week to play as a starter as they never know when their number will be called. Tuel failed, because he was unprepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Wrong. Coach Marrone preaches that every one *must* prepare every week to play as a starter as they never know when their number will be called. Tuel failed, because he was unprepared. You can't prepare an UDFA QB who wasn't even good in college and wasn't all that good in preseason for a nationally televised game in week five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Blaming Tuel for this loss is just silly. Yes, he is an undrafted rookie and yes he performed poorly, but too much was put on his shoulders. Especially down 2 WRs, you'd expect the Bills would let Tuel manage the game and hand off to Spiller/Jackson/Choice. Wrong. The running game/playcalling in the 4th qtr was the game loser here. Down by only 3 for much of the 4th qtr, and we had 3, yes 3, rushing attempts for a grand total of 5 yards. This is not how you win games when a backup QB is in. Discuss. They ran the ball like crazy. Tuel was something like 1 for 7 at one point for 6 yards. We ran for 3 straight series because he couldn't throw the ball near a receiver. I am not sure what you are talking about. It was this stretch of play calling that made the most sense. If we want to complain about play calling, lets start talking about why EJ was rarely behind center this week, or why we play zero press coverage? Those are the head scratchers. I think it is safe to say at this point we could cut Tuel and sneak him onto the practice squad where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 You can't prepare an UDFA QB who wasn't even good in college and wasn't all that good in preseason for a nationally televised game in week five. If that is the case (which I find it hard to believe), then the blame lies on Marrone for not having an effective back up if Tuel would be unprepared. Either way the blame lies on Marrone and Hackett, because they either did not find a good backup or did not prepare Tuel to be able to step in if EJ went out with an injury. This game was winnable, if we had a decent QB playing in the 4th Qtr. They ran the ball like crazy. Tuel was something like 1 for 7 at one point for 6 yards. We ran for 3 straight series because he couldn't throw the ball near a receiver. I am not sure what you are talking about. It was this stretch of play calling that made the most sense. If we want to complain about play calling, lets start talking about why EJ was rarely behind center this week, or why we play zero press coverage? Those are the head scratchers. I think it is safe to say at this point we could cut Tuel and sneak him onto the practice squad where he belongs. this... I just don't know why this coaching staff went away from something that was working well last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Tuel was off on the majority of his passes. then he made the brutal mistake of not looking off his intedended Rcvr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Can't disagree more. They protected Tuel as much as they possibly could with the play calls except, perhaps, that flea flicker. Bottom line is Tuel simply wasn't up to the task. The game was too big for him. And he showed why he wasn't drafted at all. That said, I don't pin this loss on Tuel, he just didn't win it for us. The game was lost on special teams which gave up direct scores and allowed Norv Turner to operate on short field all night long. Weeden only led one long scoring drive; the one in the second quarter. Other than that, they didn't have to work hard for much of anything. Gotta give credit to Weeden for some money throws, though. That said, I think we win this game going away if EJ doesn't get hurt. He was starting to feel it in the 3rd quarter. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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